List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading

[1990crow]

I think the only thing that may sway them is playing for a top 4 team and chance of a flag. They'd probably leave after they won a flag

When Tasmania enters they will almost certainly finish bottom 4 for many years.

If we take a Tassie kid and don't play them or can't deliver results I don't see why they'd stay with the windfall they'd get joining the new team

I suspect these players will simply get offers too good to refuse. Not unlike Phil Davis - we could apply your logic to him way back and would have thought someone like him would stay.

But he didn't.

 

[Scorpus]

I suspect these players will simply get offers too good to refuse. Not unlike Phil Davis - we could apply your logic to him way back and would have thought someone like him would stay.

But he didn't.

We finished bottom 4 the year Davis left.

 

[azza77]

Needs to come into consideration

Have heard Hamish say he rates this draft though , don’t really agree outside of top end but it’s not first time he’s gone against the grain

Which is why again I reckon we target Grundy. I doubt we will, given how popular ROB seems amongst the playing group. But if the club had any balls and was serious about top 4 next year, then they should.

Our 20's picks will most likely slide out to high 20s - mid 30s. Grundy was traded to Demons for pick 27 previously. If it's a shallow draft, then isn't a pick in the 30s better off spent bringing in a serious upgrade on ROB? Id argue Grundy still has anywhere from 2-4 years of good football in him, and he's had a light year this year in terms of workload too.

Despite that one good year ROB had, he's been comparatively poor ever since and has failed to improve. His games range from I guess good to very poor. Club should be cut throat and trade him for whatever 2024 draft picks someone is willing to offer. His cap space would probably cover 75% of what we would possibly need to pay Grundy.

A pick in the 30s and say $250k cap space = a serious upgrade in the ruck department, giving us a 200cm+ ruck/midfielder who isnt a complete liability with the football in hand, seems like a reasonable allocation of capital to me.

 

[1990crow]

We finished bottom 4 the year Davis left.

Sure but we were a strong club with obvious talent emerging (Danger, Tex, Sloane etc).

 

[Crow till I die]

I think the only thing that may sway them is playing for a top 4 team and chance of a flag. They'd probably leave after they won a flag

When Tasmania enters they will almost certainly finish bottom 4 for many years.

If we take a Tassie kid and don't play them or can't deliver results I don't see why they'd stay with the windfall they'd get joining the new team

If they help us win a flag before the tas side enters, i'll live with with them then leaving

 

[Bearded Clam]

Pick swaps tends to be the one area we are very aggressive list management wise on and are willing to spend capital to move up to get a guy we rate.

No.. thats is incorrect..

The only time we’ve looked to agressively “move up” in the draft was our rumoured play for the NM pick 1 to get JHF..

Normally we go the opposite way and trade down the draft.. looking to get more picks the following year..

When we needed to be agressive and move up was in 2018… and port, with less capital than us, did so.. whilst we sat back in “twiddle your thumbs” mode..

 

[Bearded Clam]

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Ok..i am dead against kicking the can down the road BUT maybe with talk on the GC board about them considering trading UP in this draft, could we try and swap pick 9 this year for their f1. It would give us 2 x 2024 1sts and then if we brought in our 2025 1st, we might be able to go after a top 3 pick to get a draper type for example..that top end mid.

We would want to hope one or 2 of the mids like Friejah etc are there at our north 2nd though as we need an injection of hope this year too

And if Tyler has a massive draft year next year abd starts looking like a Pick 1 possibility?..

Then we’re fxxked.. we’ll have to try and push everything into 2025..

We need talent right fxxkn now..

All in this year to try and get up the draft board. Use our 2024 1st to help.

 

[MsTopG]

If they help us win a flag before the tas side enters, i'll live with with them then leaving

I wouldn't be worried about Tassie. I don't see many wanting to live down there.

 

[Crow till I die]

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And if Tyler has a massive draft year next year abd starts looking like a Pick 1 possibility?..

Then we’re fxxked.. we’ll have to try and push everything into 2025..

We need talent right fxxkn now..

All in this year to try and get up the draft board. Use our 2024 1st to help.

I hear you and that was just a thought to try something different to get the top end mid if we just don't look like it this year

 

[StonesThrow]

Will never be a premiership player. Too light and soft. Looked horrible last night against the worst team in the league. Just my 2c.

I thought he looked really sharp. Made good decisions and was dangerous by foot. Didn't get a whole lot of it though.

Definitely not soft either. Not sure if you're trolling there

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Which is why again I reckon we target Grundy. I doubt we will, given how popular ROB seems amongst the playing group. But if the club had any balls and was serious about top 4 next year, then they should.

Our 20's picks will most likely slide out to high 20s - mid 30s. Grundy was traded to Demons for pick 27 previously. If it's a shallow draft, then isn't a pick in the 30s better off spent bringing in a serious upgrade on ROB? Id argue Grundy still has anywhere from 2-4 years of good football in him, and he's had a light year this year in terms of workload too.

Despite that one good year ROB had, he's been comparatively poor ever since and has failed to improve. His games range from I guess good to very poor. Club should be cut throat and trade him for whatever 2024 draft picks someone is willing to offer. His cap space would probably cover 75% of what we would possibly need to pay Grundy.

A pick in the 30s and say $250k cap space = a serious upgrade in the ruck department, giving us a 200cm+ ruck/midfielder who isnt a complete liability with the football in hand, seems like a reasonable allocation of capital to me.

I don’t reckon Grundy improves our team all that much , a bit for sure

But worth it ? Doubt it

I can see us grabbing BZT from Essendon and going to the draft

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Twomey said that the top end of this draft is more highly regarded than next year. Not sure why folks feel that way.

Top end both years very good

The suns academy kids are some of the best players I’ve come thru per position especially Ethan Read , the best ruck to come through in 15 years

Harley Reid a worthy no 1 and Mckercher and Watson massive game changers from year 1 , match winners

I can see how Twomey says that but not last year was great all the way to Ollie hollands pick 11

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We're quite tall in defense, Nank hasn't really impacted many games with the opportunities he's been given so far, Parnell is better by foot (well, he was earlier in the season, not great recently) and probably helps us set up better on the rebound.

Personally, I wouldn't have run with either, and if I did I would have gone Nank. But it's not a massive injustice or anything.

Underrating Nank I reckon , looked very comfortable other than some of his defending . Screams afl whereas Parnell is 50/50 to make it

 

[whattagun07]

Ok feel free to forward me any related posts, as this prob isn't ground breaking.

But can we trade 9, 20 and 23 ( or whatever it is we have)
For GCs 4 and 28ish and a late pick?

Does this give them extra points?
Is there a chance one of their academy players gets bid on at 3? If so, surely they'd want to offload 4?

Maybe they can send Hollands our way too as steak knives

 

[spenze]

Twomey said that the top end of this draft is more highly regarded than next year. Not sure why folks feel that way.

Next years draft is a super draft?...first time in all the years I've watched footy that call has been made

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We're quite tall in defense, Nank hasn't really impacted many games with the opportunities he's been given so far, Parnell is better by foot (well, he was earlier in the season, not great recently) and probably helps us set up better on the rebound.

Personally, I wouldn't have run with either, and if I did I would have gone Nank. But it's not a massive injustice or anything.

Harsh on Nakervis as hasn't done much wrong!

Also, I prefer having a taller defence like the Cats traditionally have, because it makes it easier to defend the airways. Not an issue if most taller players are mobile like Worrell & Max.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'd be paying out Hamill's contract to get a list spot open

Sadly I agree given his concussions.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What did happen to Berry, really weird season from him.

Most disappointing player this season.

 

[spenze]

I wouldn't be worried about Tassie. I don't see many wanting to live down there.

I can't wait for them to come in, that first Brownlow red carpet is going to be gold

"This is Jenny, in a lovely red strapless dress by Stella McCartney and she is her brothers date tonight"

 

[spenze]

I don’t reckon Grundy improves our team all that much , a bit for sure

But worth it ? Doubt it

I can see us grabbing BZT from Essendon and going to the draft

FFS, he can tap to team mates, mark and kick. How does that not improve us?

If you think we play Tilly in ruck all next year then fine, we don't become better with Grundy but Rob makes Sloane look good

 

[Jeffcrowe]

FFS, he can tap to team mates, mark and kick. How does that not improve us?

If you think we play Tilly in ruck all next year then fine, we don't become better with Grundy but Rob makes Sloane look good

He’s had an ok year Re ROB , horrible last night .. Grundy is better but does it make us win many more games compared with getting a better midfielder for example

Maybe

Most of our losses due to poor execution forward or letting midfield get on top for half hour and conceding 5+ consecutive goals

Does Grundy help solve that … maybe


Port are more in desperate need for Grundy than us

 

[spenze]

He’s had an ok year Re ROB , horrible last night .. Grundy is better but does it make us win many more games compared with getting a better midfielder for example

Maybe

Most of our losses due to poor execution forward or letting midfield get on top for half hour and conceding 5+ consecutive goals

Does Grundy help solve that … maybe


Port are more in desperate need for Grundy than us

Don't get me wrong, if he was cheap and we could move Rob on, I'd take Grundy. The issue with Grundy wasn't his ruckwork, it was more that Max was never a forward. If we could make hay from that mistake, then we should.

What scares me though is we get Grundy, play Rob at FF and put Thilly in the SANFL for the year

 

[MsTopG]

Don't get me wrong, if he was cheap and we could move Rob on, I'd take Grundy. The issue with Grundy wasn't his ruckwork, it was more that Max was never a forward. If we could make hay from that mistake, then we should.

What scares me though is we get Grundy, play Rob at FF and put Thilly in the SANFL for the year

There's no way we would play ROB and Grundy together. If we got Grundy we should definitely trade ROB. It pays for most of Grundy's wage.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Don't get me wrong, if he was cheap and we could move Rob on, I'd take Grundy. The issue with Grundy wasn't his ruckwork, it was more that Max was never a forward. If we could make hay from that mistake, then we should.

What scares me though is we get Grundy, play Rob at FF and put Thilly in the SANFL for the year

ROB will never play anywhere but ruck

We are smart enough to know that and have never tried him forward or tried to pair him with Strachan who is also a pure ruck

We’d have to trade ROB and trade for Grundy imo , don’t reckon it will be on our list of must do’s or priority even though it would improve us

 

[MRB37]

Ok feel free to forward me any related posts, as this prob isn't ground breaking.

But can we trade 9, 20 and 23 ( or whatever it is we have)
For GCs 4 and 28ish and a late pick?

Does this give them extra points?
Is there a chance one of their academy players gets bid on at 3? If so, surely they'd want to offload 4?

Maybe they can send Hollands our way too as steak knives

Doing 9, 20 and 23 is trading out 3196 points for 2711 incoming, which is pick 37 difference.

I still don't think the Suns would want pick 9 unless they can flip that for more picks.