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List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

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Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant
 
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Ash Johnson ?
Has to be an option. Won’t be in the side when the rest of the sides fit imo. Looked amazing the other night. Get him other to be by his brother
 
Taylor said:
If the price of Jackson will be considered to be the best possible outcome for a first round pick then he will never live up to it.

Last five drafts.
2022 no first, obviously
2021 Amiss, Erasmus
2020 Chapman
2019 Young, Serong, Henry

Now, we would bite the hands off to trade Amiss, Young and Serong for the draft picks they were taken with to have them in our squad. Put another way to avoid confusion, we would trade #6, #7 and #8 to get Amiss, Young and Serong.

Chapman I think would also fall into that category but he is more in the draft pick range we traded last year for Jackson.

Erasmus and Henry, right at this point, if we were offered picks #9 and #10 for them both we would consider it, certainly Henry for #9 even though it didn't cost us that.

I want our first round picks to work out, every one, but they don't all go on to be stars. They don't all go on to be serviceable players.

The cheapest you get elite talent is at the draft. It's still a lottery ticket.
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I like most of this. But I never liked the Henry pick. We should have let Carlton take him. It stuffed not only that draft but the one following.

Many are happy with Chapman at 14 that year. But is he better than Perkins, Bruhn, Powell or Cox. Any of whom we could have taken if Henry hadn’t pushed back our first pick.

But we also traded out our 2020 2nd as a live trade to get Henry. Had to spend more to get back into it to get NOD.


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manpurple said:
I like most of this. But I never liked the Henry pick. We should have let Carlton take him. It stuffed not only that draft but the one following.

Many are happy with Chapman at 14 that year. But is he better than Perkins, Bruhn, Powell or Cox. Any of whom we could have taken if Henry hadn’t pushed back our first pick.

But we also traded out our 2020 2nd as a live trade to get Henry. Had to spend more to get back into it to get NOD.


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Cox & Perkins both made it clear they didn’t want to move interstate. And seen as Bruhn has already left to go back home he probably would have done the same here.
Powell looks ok. Still I’d rather Chapman over all of them at this stage
 
Dayts said:
Cox & Perkins both made it clear they didn’t want to move interstate. And seen as Bruhn has already left to go back home he probably would have done the same here.
Powell looks ok. Still I’d rather Chapman over all of them at this stage
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Agree i feel Chapman is very underrated can play on tall & small & is good with ball in hand
 

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Fremantle 5 year trade history. What would have happened if we just traded players out.

2017


2018
In: Jesse Hogan (Melbourne), Rory Lobb (GWS), Reece Conca (Richmond), Travis Colyer (Essendon), picks 14, 31, 43, 65,
Out: Lachie Neale (Brisbane), pick 6, 2019 third-round pick, 2019 fourth-round pick.

2019
Aish, 69, future 3rd for future 2nd and future fourth.

2020
Nothing

2021
Traded to Fremantle

  • Will Brodie (Gold Coast)
  • Jordan Clark (Geelong) Pick 22

2022
Josh Corbett (Gold Coast)[143]
Luke Jackson (Melbourne)[144] 13 plus future 1st
Jaeger O'Meara (Hawthorn)[145]



The cheapest way to bring players in, is through the draft. Yet during a rebuild we constantly trade in players and over pay them for a short term gain, long term pain.

Also, if you bring in players make sure they are good and can make the difference. Lobb, Colyer, Conca, Matera are all shocking selections based on talent, output and Hogan due to other issues. Plus we were trying to rebuild.
I know a lot of these players were cheap, but they used up list spots which are so valuable and stopped us drafting players like Frederick, Junior Rioli, etc etc. Our talent identifications is shocking, it is like we just watch a few highlights and decide it is good decision to bring in the player, and then after the deal is done we let the coach know.

The other big criticism with our trading, is bring is players in positions we don't need.
Jackson is a ruck, Clark was a defender, O'Meara ais an inside mid. Once again, I find it hard to believe the coach had any input in the decision. or anyone with half a brain.


If we had left Hogan and Lobb, left Wilson and Matera alone then we could have walked in with 5,6, our 2nd, our 3rd, and pick in 2019.
The players ended up Rozee, King, Tom Berry and Lachie Schultz.

2019 we missed out on Harry Schoenberg, Trent Rivers
2021 we missed out on Ton Conway (Jesse Motlop went 3 picks later)
2022 we missed out on Matthew Jefferson


I think there are rare occasions, you can win during a rebuild by bringing in players but they need to be exceptional and you need to get them cheaply. Dawson for the crows is brilliant, but he filled a need and is an A grade player and leader.

We have the patience of my 8 year old son, saying I want it know and every time we trade in players we ruin our future. Until we can stop doing this, we are unlikely to win a flag.

Imagine walking out next weekend with King, Amiss in our forward line. Rozee starting half forward and swapping through the middle.
Trent Rivers, I am saying Jesse Motlop as we don't need a ruck, and maybe Harry Shoenberg. Our best 22 is already better, younger with more talent.

If we got to this point, then we can start filling holes. Now you can add Pickett to the forward line. Even the Jackson trade would look ok, as he would only be the 3rd forward and 2nd ruck, which would suit him ok.
 
If we get rolled this week the seasons cactus [emoji266] so 1 way we could play it is to treat the next 6 games after that as a development block and play all our young guys and then see if we can jag someone in the MSD to try to minimise the damage of having f*ck all picks at the end of the year

After the MSD start picking our best team again because there is no point finishing low at the end of the year and try to generate some momentum heading into next year
 
tonygeeks said:
If we get rolled this week the seasons cactus [emoji266] so 1 way we could play it is to treat the next 6 games after that as a development block and play all our young guys and then see if we can jag someone in the MSD to try to minimise the damage of having f*ck all picks at the end of the year

After the MSD start picking our best team again because there is no point finishing low at the end of the year and try to generate some momentum heading into next year
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Yeah the MSD is our best bet really.
 
There is normally 3 or 4 decent players in the MSD that are equivalent to picks in the 20s and 30s in the national draft. You surely go after one of those guys and try get them through the door if the opportunity is there.
Quite frankly I can’t see where the next win is coming from.
The football we are playing is absolute horseshit of the highest order.
 
Hazelsnuts said:
Curious to know, who is so good we have to drop games get a high pick the MSD?
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Haha yeah we sure don’t need to tank but more give some young players ago and give some of the older regulars a real dose of shock therapy when they have to pull the boots on in the WAFL for 6 weeks
 
Dockeroo said:
There is normally 3 or 4 decent players in the MSD that are equivalent to picks in the 20s and 30s in the national draft. You surely go after one of those guys and try get them through the door if the opportunity is there.
Quite frankly I can’t see where the next win is coming from.
The football we are playing is absolute horseshit of the highest order.
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GC will take care of us. Bulldogs finding form will smash us in probably our last Prime Time for a while.

We may sneak over the line against Hawks at home.
 

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We cannot keep Sean Darcy. It’s as simple as that. We cannot have $1.7 million tied up on two players that play the least important position on the field.
Other teams contend for flags with rookie picks and journeymen rucks.
The holes everywhere else in the list in the forward line especially are monstrous.
Darcy needs to be traded at the end of the year and replaced with a couple of quality AFL level forwards.
I love him but we brought LJ in tightly or wrongly and there is no room for 2 of them.
 
Dockeroo said:
We cannot keep Sean Darcy. It’s as simple as that. We cannot have $1.7 million tied up on two players that play the least important position on the field.
Other teams contend for flags with rookie picks and journeymen rucks.
The holes everywhere else in the list in the forward line especially are monstrous.
Darcy needs to be traded at the end of the year and replaced with a couple of quality AFL level forwards.
I love him but we brought LJ in tightly or wrongly and there is no room for 2 of them.
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We would need to play some bigger bodied inside mids if we did that.
 
Swiggy said:
Watching the bombers yesterday Nick martin needs to be high on the radar… his kicking skills are elite
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I think we need to hit the draft. We don't have enough talent on our list to start trading in players.

I think we have 5 or 6 positions to fill. At least two small\medium forwards, 1 wing, one or two mids who can play other positions, back up defender. You simply can't fill all those spots through trading in players.
 
go_the_dockers said:
I think we need to hit the draft. We don't have enough talent on our list to start trading in players.

I think we have 5 or 6 positions to fill. At least two small\medium forwards, 1 wing, one or two mids who can play other positions, back up defender. You simply can't fill all those spots through trading in players.
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Freo have hit the draft… small forwards??? Would be one of the last things they need! Schultz switkowski Walters, Freddy, plus drafted Emmett. Plus Henry can play there.

Johnson & Erasmus are the midfielders both can play on wing or forward…

Medium forward is definitely something they need but they don’t grow on trees
 

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Swiggy said:
Freo have hit the draft… small forwards??? Would be one of the last things they need! Schultz switkowski Walters, Freddy, plus drafted Emmett. Plus Henry can play there.

Johnson & Erasmus are the midfielders both can play on wing or forward…

Medium forward is definitely something they need but they don’t grow on trees
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Walters is 32. He is exactly the player we need, multi dimensional player. Competes in the air, good at crumbing the ball, creative with the ball in hand.
Schultz is a c grade. Very one dimionsional. Just a crumber, nothing else.
Switta is a good mid \ high half forward. I doubt he has kicked more than 20 goals in a year(double checked, his best is 11) and offers nothing when the ball is in the air.
Frederick is ok on the lead, and brilliant over the back but not a pack mark or 1v1.

You can probably get away with 1 or 2 one dimensional players, but 3 is too much and Walters needs replacing.

Johnson probably can play on the wing, but he needs to prove to me he can. I have not seen much evidence of this.
Erasmus has only shown be playing well as a mid. I would like to see him try as a forward, like SPP. At 190 cm's, he should be dangerous up forward. If he can play 50 percent forward and 50 percent mid he is the exact player we need.

I think this make the O'Meara signing worse, as it limits our ability to play more flexible players.
 
tonygeeks said:
If we get rolled this week the seasons cactus [emoji266] so 1 way we could play it is to treat the next 6 games after that as a development block and play all our young guys and then see if we can jag someone in the MSD to try to minimise the damage of having f*ck all picks at the end of the year

After the MSD start picking our best team again because there is no point finishing low at the end of the year and try to generate some momentum heading into next year
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All we can do to improve our draft position otherwise is beat North Melbourne (lol) and Carlton (won’t happen) as they are the picks we have. It’s pretty grim.

The MSD doesn’t seem late enough for us to get a proper look at some players. I mean how much can change in 6-8 weeks of footy? - that’s all the state leagues seem to play before the MSD. There’s a few good players picked each year but the top pick seems to be overhyped - they’ve all been spuds so far. The clubs that are better at recruiting just end up shining through.
 
go_the_dockers said:
I think we need to hit the draft. We don't have enough talent on our list to start trading in players.

I think we have 5 or 6 positions to fill. At least two small\medium forwards, 1 wing, one or two mids who can play other positions, back up defender. You simply can't fill all those spots through trading in players.
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Wft we won 15 games last year we’re contending now not 2030 lol.
 
Demons09 said:
Wft we won 15 games last year we’re contending now not 2030 lol.
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I just said hit the draft, as we are not 1 position short of top 4.
We have clearly been worked out and are struggling. Our forward line is average.

Where did 2030 come from?

If you compare us to a top 4 side, how many positions do we need to improve?

If you consider that Fyfe, Walters and probably Taberner won't be around then
 
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go_the_dockers said:
Walters is 32. He is exactly the player we need, multi dimensional player. Competes in the air, good at crumbing the ball, creative with the ball in hand.
Schultz is a c grade. Very one dimionsional. Just a crumber, nothing else.
Switta is a good mid \ high half forward. I doubt he has kicked more than 20 goals in a year(double checked, his best is 11) and offers nothing when the ball is in the air.
Frederick is ok on the lead, and brilliant over the back but not a pack mark or 1v1.

You can probably get away with 1 or 2 one dimensional players, but 3 is too much and Walters needs replacing.

Johnson probably can play on the wing, but he needs to prove to me he can. I have not seen much evidence of this.
Erasmus has only shown be playing well as a mid. I would like to see him try as a forward, like SPP. At 190 cm's, he should be dangerous up forward. If he can play 50 percent forward and 50 percent mid he is the exact player we need.

I think this make the O'Meara signing worse, as it limits our ability to play more flexible players.
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Schultz is C Grade despite comfortably kicking over a goal a game? That’s a long long way from all he offers too. You’re a tough judge.

No one in the AFL consistently takes more than one or two pack marks a game. The league average for even contested marks is around 10-15 a game for a team.

For me need a winger, small forward, tall forward and an inside mid with some speed. There’s probably other things we need for depth but third and fourth rounders if used correctly should be able to get that done.
 
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I’d take almost anything but a tall forward in the MSD tbh.

We clearly need one but the chances of one making it from the MSD is just so slim compared to pick 25 or so that North Melbourne traded us last year.

We’ve got a lot of tall forwards on our list. I honestly don’t think many half decent AFL prospects belong in the WAFL Reserves. It’s great for Knobel as he can play a full game in the ruck. It’s great for Williams because he weighs like 60kg. It isn’t great for Benning but he’ll be delisted at seasons end.

Having 4-5 tall forwards at WAFL level isn’t good for their development and therefore isn’t good for Freo. As others have pointed out we have other needs which are far more realistic for a MSD pick.
 
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