List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[go_the_dockers]

JOM hasn’t been impressive. Thought he took away from Erasmus/MJ. Now both will probably come in sooner rather then later

With Erasmus and Johnson there, omeara lacking versatility, brodie , Serong, and Brayshaw lacking versatility it was a dumb call.

We shouldn't draft so many pure mids, and they need to be tried in more spots.

We don't mix things up enough. We have plan A, plan A and plan A

 

[apuchar]

With Erasmus and Johnson there, omeara lacking versatility, brodie , Serong, and Brayshaw lacking versatility it was a dumb call.

We shouldn't draft so many pure mids, and they need to be tried in more spots.

We don't mix things up enough. We have plan A, plan A and plan A

Brayshaw has played good footy on the wing and hf.

 

[FreoRicci]

Have to go hard for McDonald and Van Rooyen.
Would’ve loved those three picks from Jackson for it.

 

[go_the_dockers]

How many 70m players do we have?
Maybe Switta
All our mids are bland.

Very low risk low reward from our recruiting. Same as Acres, Conca, Colyer, Kersten, Hamling.
They may help you win a few games, but not a flag

 

[s_wd6]

Have to go hard for McDonald and Van Rooyen.
Would’ve loved those three picks from Jackson for it.

Because recruiting key forwards has worked so well for us

 

[FreoRicci]

Brayshaw has played good footy on the wing and hf.

That inside mid spot is his. Brodie, Serong, Brayshaw won games. Back them and have Aish on the wing, drop JOM, Switkowski half forward.

 

[apuchar]

That inside mid spot is his. Brodie, Serong, Brayshaw won games. Back them and have Aish on the wing, drop JOM, Switkowski half forward.

I don't agree with that. They were given it, at the expense of Fyfe etc. If they want to stay there they should have to earn it this time. I'm not sure why you think we should disregard possible better options if they are available. We should at least see if we have better. Clearly Brayshaw isn't the best option if he feels he needs to stand behind his opponent and tackle (like Bowers does).

 

[BStaff17]

I thought we needed to go the draft just once more before we got aggressive and topped up via free agency or trade.



I think we jumped the gun 12 months too soon and probably pushed our tilt back a bit more.



Jackson is a long term prospect so I suppose we will have to judge that trade in 10 years time to see if it was worth the risk. Or if we have completely bottled what we spent 5-6 years building.

 

[blue shark]

I thought we needed to go the draft just once more before we got aggressive and topped up via free agency or trade.



I think we jumped the gun 12 months too soon and probably pushed our tilt back a bit more.



Jackson is a long term prospect so I suppose we will have to judge that trade in 10 years time to see if it was worth the risk. Or if we have completely bottled what we spent 5-6 years building.

Players get the blame, but you have to look at the puppet master.
How many times can you stuff up player management?
I’d rather waste money on the best available staff, development than to
cut corners.
The smarter clubs use Free Agency to top up, you’d think after Hodge, Croad
we would be smarter. There is a reason why clubs always play hard ball with
first round picks.
Maybe just like sports bet we need to heed the advice and gamble responsibly?

 

[Dayts]

At best we’ve paid up 7&13 but tbh it’s probably going to be higher…. 4&13. For a 200cm athlete non footballer

 

[summerthebat]

Trading our future first for an speculative prospect is probably the angriest I have been at our club for some time.

Before I rant, I just want it said that I really like Jackson and I have high confidence he'll be a great player for us, but he's not that yet.

This mirrors the death rattles of Rosich & Lyon with Hogan, with Garlick, declaring we are initiating a plan to win two flags in five years (by 2025) across both teams. However nothing was risked with that statement, it's just something to say for everyone to get irrationally over optimistic. Will he stand down if that's not accomplished?

You trade future picks, for known commodities on highly likely outcomes, such as Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

31

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

in a highly experienced Geelong team.

We had a middle six fixture last year and next to no injuries, surely the probability of us sliding in 2023 was a genuine possibility with a harder draw, loss of significant depth & proven AFL players, with one being a key component in a weak forward line. Replacing those players with a child ruckman and a permanently busted midfielder and expecting to hold our position seems like a very risky bet for a rational observer.

Now our first round pick, very likely a top six selection is no longer ours, the options for solving obvious deficiencies in our lineup is extremely limited. When and where will our long-term key forward solution come from to help Amiss? A speculative third round pick? The rookie draft? The state leagues? Highly unlikely. That player at best, will be drafted in 2024.

I really want someone to lose their job over this.

 

[s_wd6]

Trading our future first for an speculative prospect is probably the angriest I have been at our club for some time.

Before I rant, I just want it said that I really like Jackson and I have high confidence he'll be a great player for us, but he's not that yet.

This mirrors the death rattles of Rosich & Lyon with Hogan, with Garlick, declaring we are initiating a plan to win two flags in five years (by 2025) across both teams. However nothing was risked with that statement, it's just something to say for everyone to get irrationally over optimistic. Will he stand down if that's not accomplished?

You trade future picks, for known commodities on highly likely outcomes, such as Jeremy Cameron in a highly experienced Geelong team.

We had a middle six fixture last year and next to no injuries, surely the probability of us sliding in 2023 was a genuine possibility with a harder draw, loss of significant depth & proven AFL players, with one being a key component in a weak forward line. Replacing those players with a child ruckman and a permanently busted midfielder and expecting to hold our position seems like a very risky bet for a rational observer.

Now our first round pick, very likely a top six selection is no longer ours, the options for solving obvious deficiencies in our lineup is extremely limited. When and where will our long-term key forward solution come from to help Amiss? A speculative third round pick? The rookie draft? The state leagues? Highly unlikely. That player at best, will be drafted in 2024.

I really want someone to lose their job over this.

Bell's smug attitude treating it like an honour to play for fremantle instead of working with player managers to agree on a fair price. We threw 750k for 4 years at Cerra to try and convince him to stay. But the next year we refuse to budge on 180k a year for Acres who proved instrumental in several games, and only upped Logue's offer after North already presented him with the godfather offer. All whilst selling the farm for an unkown at 900k a year. Gotta be great for the playing group.

He needs to go first and foremost.

 

[wakojako]

Bell's smug attitude treating it like an honour to play for fremantle instead of working with player managers to agree on a fair price. We threw 750k for 4 years at Cerra to try and convince him to stay. But the next year we refuse to budge on 180k a year for Acres who proved instrumental in several games, and only upped Logue's offer after North already presented him with the godfather offer. All whilst selling the farm for an unkown at 900k a year. Gotta be great for the playing group.

He needs to go first and foremost.

If we are offering Jackson that much money it would piss off the playing group.

 

[Docker82]

Next time we head into full rebuild mode I hope we throw out this “best available at all costs” BS that has 100% got us into this situation in the first place. I’m pretty certain it was a massive contributor to why we traded in Hogan and Lobb in 2018 as well. One of Logue or Cox leaving the club was always going to happen for this reason too - if Hamling’s career hadn’t been ****ed up by injuries it’d probably be both tbh.

How about basing who we select with our draft picks based on all of the below:
1. Highest ceiling
2. Where to they fit into our future best 22? (maybe replace ‘best 22’ with ‘depth profile’ for maybe 1 in 10 selections and always later ones).
3. Is there space on our list to develop them properly right now?

1 and 2 are obviously the most important and IMO should be considered for EVERY draft selection. We shouldn’t be considering only no.1 for the majority of picks like we’ve been doing.

What I mean by no.3 is whether we’ll have the space at Peel and/or Freo to have them develop at the right level. ATM there seems to be too many of the same type of forward at Peel, whilst we have someone like Erasmus down there that probably won’t develop too much at that level anymore.

There hasn’t been enough thinking about what we already have imo. It’s like we just expect that if we draft the most talented players eventually ‘best available’ will cover all bases - it clearly hasn’t.

 

[Moonrat]

Looks like Heppell might finally be gettable!

Could fix all our problems.

 

[fnerd]

Trading our future first for an speculative prospect is probably the angriest I have been at our club for some time.

Before I rant, I just want it said that I really like Jackson and I have high confidence he'll be a great player for us, but he's not that yet.

This mirrors the death rattles of Rosich & Lyon with Hogan, with Garlick, declaring we are initiating a plan to win two flags in five years (by 2025) across both teams. However nothing was risked with that statement, it's just something to say for everyone to get irrationally over optimistic. Will he stand down if that's not accomplished?

You trade future picks, for known commodities on highly likely outcomes, such as Jeremy Cameron in a highly experienced Geelong team.

We had a middle six fixture last year and next to no injuries, surely the probability of us sliding in 2023 was a genuine possibility with a harder draw, loss of significant depth & proven AFL players, with one being a key component in a weak forward line. Replacing those players with a child ruckman and a permanently busted midfielder and expecting to hold our position seems like a very risky bet for a rational observer.

Now our first round pick, very likely a top six selection is no longer ours, the options for solving obvious deficiencies in our lineup is extremely limited. When and where will our long-term key forward solution come from to help Amiss? A speculative third round pick? The rookie draft? The state leagues? Highly unlikely. That player at best, will be drafted in 2024.

I really want someone to lose their job over this.

 

[fnerd]

Next time we head into full rebuild mode I hope we throw out this “best available at all costs” BS that has 100% got us into this situation in the first place. I’m pretty certain it was a massive contributor to why we traded in Hogan and Lobb in 2018 as well. One of Logue or Cox leaving the club was always going to happen for this reason too - if Hamling’s career hadn’t been ****ed up by injuries it’d probably be both tbh.

 

[Dockernut]

Next time we head into full rebuild mode I hope we throw out this “best available at all costs” BS that has 100% got us into this situation in the first place. I’m pretty certain it was a massive contributor to why we traded in Hogan and Lobb in 2018 as well. One of Logue or Cox leaving the club was always going to happen for this reason too - if Hamling’s career hadn’t been ****ed up by injuries it’d probably be both tbh.

How about basing who we select with our draft picks based on all of the below:
1. Highest ceiling
2. Where to they fit into our future best 22? (maybe replace ‘best 22’ with ‘depth profile’ for maybe 1 in 10 selections and always later ones).
3. Is there space on our list to develop them properly right now?

1 and 2 are obviously the most important and IMO should be considered for EVERY draft selection. We shouldn’t be considering only no.1 for the majority of picks like we’ve been doing.

What I mean by no.3 is whether we’ll have the space at Peel and/or Freo to have them develop at the right level. ATM there seems to be too many of the same type of forward at Peel, whilst we have someone like Erasmus down there that probably won’t develop too much at that level anymore.

There hasn’t been enough thinking about what we already have imo. It’s like we just expect that if we draft the most talented players eventually ‘best available’ will cover all bases - it clearly hasn’t.

Our effort at the draft only last year was the most telling signal to me that we have absolutely no ****ing idea what we are doing. Taking a project WAFL defender over literally ANY of the the quality tall young forwards still on the table was one of the single dumbest draft decisions we’ve made in a long time and we’ve made heaps of ‘em.

 

[Joao]

Next time we head into full rebuild mode I hope we throw out this “best available at all costs” BS that has 100% got us into this situation in the first place. I’m pretty certain it was a massive contributor to why we traded in Hogan and Lobb in 2018 as well. One of Logue or Cox leaving the club was always going to happen for this reason too - if Hamling’s career hadn’t been ****ed up by injuries it’d probably be both tbh.

How about basing who we select with our draft picks based on all of the below:
1. Highest ceiling
2. Where to they fit into our future best 22? (maybe replace ‘best 22’ with ‘depth profile’ for maybe 1 in 10 selections and always later ones).
3. Is there space on our list to develop them properly right now?

1 and 2 are obviously the most important and IMO should be considered for EVERY draft selection. We shouldn’t be considering only no.1 for the majority of picks like we’ve been doing.

What I mean by no.3 is whether we’ll have the space at Peel and/or Freo to have them develop at the right level. ATM there seems to be too many of the same type of forward at Peel, whilst we have someone like Erasmus down there that probably won’t develop too much at that level anymore.

There hasn’t been enough thinking about what we already have imo. It’s like we just expect that if we draft the most talented players eventually ‘best available’ will cover all bases - it clearly hasn’t.

100%.

I know we didn't necessarily have a lot of top end KPF options early in our build but its hilarious that we only picked 2 first round forwards in 7 drafts and the only KPF between them was picked in the 6th one, meaning it will be at least 10 years since our first draft and when our only top end KPF talent will hit his straps.

It's just daft.

And then to think we needed more ruck investment. JFC. We saw at the first centre bounce why Jackson doesn't work as a midfielder. He's agile as **** for a ruckman but he's mediocre at best for a midfielder.

 

[trentjac]

Imagine having a player like Bayley Fritsch

31

Bayley Fritsch

Age

28

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.7

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

on our list?

 

[Dockernut]

Imagine having a player like Bayley Fritsch on our list?

We’d still stick him in the magoos in favour of Tabs and Banners.

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

We have spent all our draft capital on inside mids and backs

Nothing on forwards, Sturt and amiss

Wasted the Neale compo on hogan and Lobb



We need to just draft forwards it’s not that hard and hope a couple come good. It might take time but our team is young.

 

[trentjac]

We’d still stick him in the magoos in favour of Tabs and Banners.

It is the way

 

[Retzlaff]

Imagine having a player like Bayley Fritsch on our list?

Would need to work on his ‘intensity’ at Freo

 

[Joao]

Still need a gamebreaker. Someone who can rip a game apart from midfield and or forward.

Almost hope our ****ness carries forward into next year (unless we trade out our first again).