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Good. I want to win. We should be past the point of pinning our hopes on school kids.
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Good. I want to win. We should be past the point of pinning our hopes on school kids.
I’d rather win games tbh. Be much better for morale, team cohesion etc going into next year.
Still it was only one win, who knows how many more we will get?
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Pick 28 for a player who’s had 3 top 5 B&F placings I don’t think you can say is a waste.
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Depth player who can play a role. With so many mooted changes next year, wouldn’t mind if we signed him on for one more year
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Does yesterday change the majority’s views on TDK? He has talent and could end up amazing, but if he wants to go we won’t be able to stop him.. What yesterday should be reinforcing is that if we were to trade TDK that starting next year with Pittonet as our #1 should not be an option, if TDK leaves we need to replace him with someone better.
It was great for the club to turn things around, but it is going to create more questions than answers in the short term.
McGovern was much more committed, genuinely chasing on occasion. TDK put in probably his most complete performance yet. Hit the scoreboard, but notably was very competitive physically with one of the competitions behemoths in Witts.
Ideally we keep him and get return in our investment. I am also sure the club is busy calculating returns on potential trades to build through the draft, while freeing up salary cap for a free agent or two.
There are so many ways we can “jump”. As a student of the draft and a follower of all clubs and players from a list perspective, this is going to be fascinating.
TDK has always been more potential than performance and up until now, would be fair to say a decent journeyman ruck could have similar output. If he maintains the rage and maintains or builds from here, we would be mad to let him walk.
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I think the point is the current level of output from both our rucks is not acceptable, we need something substantially better, so i dont think a journeman ruck is going to be enough.. If we let TDK go, we need to find a genuine #1 ruck.
Fogarty is a role player at best. His position is where we should be really trying to upgrade.
Gresham would be an upgrade.
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Imagine small forwards of a fit cuners, Martin and either or Gresham/paps
And, they can all run through the middle!
And, they can all run through the middle!
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Still would be in the ear of Cumberland. Cumberland, Gresham as FA and some top end young kids in the draft would be a great result
Probably says more about our list at that time more than anything. I agree somewhat that it’s more a break even, than a waste.
There were some handy players that went after him though (hindsight recruiting I know), but if we were looking for a medium/3rd tall defender, Redman, Bonner, Dawson, Marcus Adams, Broad, all went after 28
Our win was a very much needed obviously, huge pressure and criticism., deflected for a while.
Our expectations should be tempered though until some our habitually fragile players demonstrate they can stay on the park.
Lets see our team’s performance against more mature & conditioned teams, on neutral playing ground.
Our expectations should be tempered though until some our habitually fragile players demonstrate they can stay on the park.
Lets see our team’s performance against more mature & conditioned teams, on neutral playing ground.
Agree we desperately need to refresh or overhaul our Recruiting team, something ain’t right, we not progressive , intuitive, vision is limited.
Richmond, Port just to mention a few have got it spot on quite often.
Were languishing behind and it’s untenable.
This will set us back years.
Richmond, Port just to mention a few have got it spot on quite often.
Were languishing behind and it’s untenable.
This will set us back years.
I think leg speed, good kicking is a must but what types? I think multipositional players. Guys who can play forward and midfield. Made a difference having DeKoning, Cuningham and Fogarty playing forward and going on the ball as well but it was clear to me the rotations were not high enough still.
Definitely need to focus on forwards, the faster and the hungrier to tackle the better. Even better again if we can send them into the middle.
CHB. We looked better without Young back there. But not sure we can get away with it each week. Lemmy? Lose DeKoning and we are lost without a forward/ruck and they take a long time to develop.
There is no doubt that the more pace, quality tackling and quality kicking we can bring into the team the better we are going to be and now that the list is mostly built, it's become about upgrading players with better versions.
Voss and Austin haven't had a huge influence on the list yet. Liked last years draft, picked the players we needed. Missed out on forwards but we probably ran out of picks. Cincotta from the VFL has been an inspired choice.
As for criticism of our recruiters, remember this. The direction the recruiters take comes from the coaching staff. The teams doing well at the moment would have got wind of the rule changes coming in and the coaches at the time would have guess how it would change the game and would have directed their recruiting staff to take players who have leg speed, tackle well, pressure well and kick well. Collingwood are top now but I have no doubt Buckley would have told his recruiting staff this and that's why they have the team they have. St Kilda, Port Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane. No way would the recruiting staff not go into the draft without this kind of direction.
Us on the other hand, we keep changing coach, keep picking the wrong coach, I can't imagine our recruiting staff have been given much direction from the coaching staff.
I reckon it was pretty clear last year Voss was in Austin's hear about leg speed, a forward/ruck and outside types. Reckon he will be in their ear about forward with leg speed, players with good foot skills and good tacklers.
I don't think our recruiting staff have been bad over the years. I think they have lacked direction from the coaching staff.
Definitely need to focus on forwards, the faster and the hungrier to tackle the better. Even better again if we can send them into the middle.
CHB. We looked better without Young back there. But not sure we can get away with it each week. Lemmy? Lose DeKoning and we are lost without a forward/ruck and they take a long time to develop.
There is no doubt that the more pace, quality tackling and quality kicking we can bring into the team the better we are going to be and now that the list is mostly built, it's become about upgrading players with better versions.
Voss and Austin haven't had a huge influence on the list yet. Liked last years draft, picked the players we needed. Missed out on forwards but we probably ran out of picks. Cincotta from the VFL has been an inspired choice.
As for criticism of our recruiters, remember this. The direction the recruiters take comes from the coaching staff. The teams doing well at the moment would have got wind of the rule changes coming in and the coaches at the time would have guess how it would change the game and would have directed their recruiting staff to take players who have leg speed, tackle well, pressure well and kick well. Collingwood are top now but I have no doubt Buckley would have told his recruiting staff this and that's why they have the team they have. St Kilda, Port Adelaide, Melbourne, Brisbane. No way would the recruiting staff not go into the draft without this kind of direction.
Us on the other hand, we keep changing coach, keep picking the wrong coach, I can't imagine our recruiting staff have been given much direction from the coaching staff.
I reckon it was pretty clear last year Voss was in Austin's hear about leg speed, a forward/ruck and outside types. Reckon he will be in their ear about forward with leg speed, players with good foot skills and good tacklers.
I don't think our recruiting staff have been bad over the years. I think they have lacked direction from the coaching staff.
What I think yesterday showed is we don't need to change all 22 players (or ~40 on the list) for the team to look dramatically different.
We've looked horrendously slow and unskillful. But we're not going to find 20 other guys who are faster and better kicks to replace everyone in the side - we need to change the mix, make smart trade-offs with recruiting and then use what we have to greater effect.
All of Saad, Doc, Cinc, Walsh looked a lot better yesterday running hard and carrying the ball forwards. They didn't suddenly get faster or more skillful, but we used them differently.
I'm still salty AF about how we're mis-using Dow. He might not be a world-beater, but at least he's DIFFERENT to what we have in the midfield, and we're just running his value down to nothing by how we're selecting him.
We've looked horrendously slow and unskillful. But we're not going to find 20 other guys who are faster and better kicks to replace everyone in the side - we need to change the mix, make smart trade-offs with recruiting and then use what we have to greater effect.
All of Saad, Doc, Cinc, Walsh looked a lot better yesterday running hard and carrying the ball forwards. They didn't suddenly get faster or more skillful, but we used them differently.
I'm still salty AF about how we're mis-using Dow. He might not be a world-beater, but at least he's DIFFERENT to what we have in the midfield, and we're just running his value down to nothing by how we're selecting him.
So with requirements of speed, footskils, mongrel (hard to find all 3 in one player) and versatility
Types I think we need are the likes of, Bailey, McCreery, McKenzie, Lohmann, Gresham, Hinge
You don't need to spend big
Types I think we need are the likes of, Bailey, McCreery, McKenzie, Lohmann, Gresham, Hinge
You don't need to spend big
Bailey is a dead-set star. Don't think he's gettable. We should sell the farm to get him, though, if he was, as he is 100000000000% what our team lacks.
Gresham I reckon is VERY gettable. His stocks have dropped and his role been usurped a bit at the Saints - I think his zip and taste for the goals would be a marked upgrade on what we're used to forward of centre. For the right price, do it, for sure.
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I’ve never rated TDK as high as others but I also don’t want to lose him. He adds depth in case one of Harry or Curnow are injured and obviously in the ruck. I also think we are going to replace him with a worse player.
I don’t think it’s our call anyway. He will pick where he wants to be.
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I was surprised TDK stuck 6 marks including pack marks. I’ve pretty much grown accustomed to him dropping marks particularly the high flying ones. If he can get better at holding those (which he should given he’s still only played 50 games) then he becomes a dangerous threat around the ground particularly coming out of defence and in our forward 50. He can absolutely do more around the ground than Pitto and they complement each other well. I don’t think it makes sense to overpay Ruckmen so hoping we can keep him at an affordable price for another two years for now.
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Hey Benga, just jumping in here because I love stats, I love using them in heaps of circumstances and they are a great reference.
I also see Fishers tackle numbers and I also see Fisher play live and on TV and I see a player who constantly runs away from the player with the ball and a player who gets brushed off with ease.
Fisher averages 2.5 tackles a game, this stat doesn’t show you if they’re effective, if they cause a stoppage, a free or anything else.
Same with goal kicking accuracy not including OOF, some stats don’t show the full story
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TDK didn't hurt his value at all.
Contested well, hit the scoreboard & took pressure off Harry as a marking target.
Fingers crossed that he's able to play to that level regularly as it'll address a significant weakness.
Contested well, hit the scoreboard & took pressure off Harry as a marking target.
Fingers crossed that he's able to play to that level regularly as it'll address a significant weakness.
TDK's game yesterday is the performance level expected week in and week out. My opinion will change if he puts in a 6 week body of work.
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