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Please excuse the intrusion, but I've started seeing the Cats linked to Paddy Dow as a sort of plug-and-play midfielder we might add for basically 'nothing'. So I would be curious to know:

* Exactly what is the knock on Dow? I keep hearing "He kills VFL, just can't hack AFL" stuff, but what specifically is the problem? Speed? Hardness? Too one-dimensional?

* Seems some Blues fans feel Dow is being treated poorly and that a few of their existing 22 should be missing out before him. Is there attitude or fitness type issues that are going on with him, that would lead the coaching staff to ignore him?

* What position do you feel is his best position?

* I guess just any general other comments about his perceived strengths and weaknesses, and why Carlton aren't playing him despite struggling so far in 2023.

A stoppage mid

Dow's hands are normally one touch, around a stoppage.

Disposal around that stoppage is inconsistent, in traffic, when looking for a handball release, is sound, but will bang it on the boot too often, rather than bursting or chaining out and staying in that chain

When he does burst from a stoppage his disposal by foot is 50/50 in relation to a teammates advantage

In general play, doesn't get involved enough, nor does he have a viable 2nd position at AFL level

Defensively, doesn't get back quick enough, due to endurance and general intent

Footy IQ is average

No sign of poor attitude

Think he is a depth mid for any of the 18 teams
 
Please excuse the intrusion, but I've started seeing the Cats linked to Paddy Dow as a sort of plug-and-play midfielder we might add for basically 'nothing'. So I would be curious to know:

* Exactly what is the knock on Dow? I keep hearing "He kills VFL, just can't hack AFL" stuff, but what specifically is the problem? Speed? Hardness? Too one-dimensional?

* Seems some Blues fans feel Dow is being treated poorly and that a few of their existing 22 should be missing out before him. Is there attitude or fitness type issues that are going on with him, that would lead the coaching staff to ignore him?

* What position do you feel is his best position?

* I guess just any general other comments about his perceived strengths and weaknesses, and why Carlton aren't playing him despite struggling so far in 2023.
Very good in traffic. Quick hands. Side step. Bit of burst speed. Not scared of contact.

Your club will make a good player out of him.
 

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A stoppage mid

Dow's hands are normally one touch, around a stoppage.

Disposal around that stoppage is inconsistent, in traffic, when looking for a handball release, is sound, but will bang it on the boot too often, rather than bursting or chaining out and staying in that chain

When he does burst from a stoppage his disposal by foot is 50/50 in relation to a teammates advantage

In general play, doesn't get involved enough, nor does he have a viable 2nd position at AFL level

Defensively, doesn't get back quick enough, due to endurance and general intent

Footy IQ is average

No sign of poor attitude

Think he is a depth mid for any of the 18 teams
So if he was given a clear role as an inside extractor "Your one job is to burrow in there and shovel it out to Holmes/Bruhn/Knevitt/Atkins", he'd be worth having a look at?
 
Please excuse the intrusion, but I've started seeing the Cats linked to Paddy Dow as a sort of plug-and-play midfielder we might add for basically 'nothing'. So I would be curious to know:

* Exactly what is the knock on Dow? I keep hearing "He kills VFL, just can't hack AFL" stuff, but what specifically is the problem? Speed? Hardness? Too one-dimensional?

* Seems some Blues fans feel Dow is being treated poorly and that a few of their existing 22 should be missing out before him. Is there attitude or fitness type issues that are going on with him, that would lead the coaching staff to ignore him?

* What position do you feel is his best position?

* I guess just any general other comments about his perceived strengths and weaknesses, and why Carlton aren't playing him despite struggling so far in 2023.
In your side with your coach he will absolutely kill it.
You will be shaking your head going “how did we get him for nothing”.
Let him play as your inside mid & rest him forward occasionally and you will be sweet.
Will comfortably win u Centre clearance & avg 25+ & a goal every couple games.
The knocks are all bullshit, he’s improved his game out of site, Voss just dislikes him immensely as he clears it forward & attacking instead of out the back and slowly like he wants to play.
 
So if he was given a clear role as an inside extractor "Your one job is to burrow in there and shovel it out to Holmes/Bruhn/Knevitt/Atkins", he'd be worth having a look at?
Would smash it, links play extremely well with hands, has great vision and awareness. Has learnt to lower eyes and hit good targets too. His kicking power has improved too, can kick the shit out of it these days- watch the 2s highlights on Twitter - Williamstown game he’s the only player to kick it further than 45 into the gale force wind
 
Very small Article in zero hanger …basically mentioning that we’re in talks with kemp for his next contract.

i find him an interesting player. Plenty of development to go but Has got some good traits….particularly well suited as a forward….third tall would be good.
Don’t be surprised if he leaves.
It would be the smartest thing for his career to go to a club with a more fluid game style. Still think he can end up modeling his game to be like Elliot Yeo (talking AA & 2018 B&F winning attacking Yeo) - just needs a club to help him do that.
 
Don’t be surprised if he leaves.
It would be the smartest thing for his career to go to a club with a more fluid game style. Still think he can end up modeling his game to be like Elliot Yeo - just needs a club to help him do that.
Sadly you’re correct, wouldn’t be critical of any disillusioned youngster wanting out ASAP, our development, mentoring structures are inadequate this has to be addressed & rectified asap,
its causing enormous setbacks.
 
In your side with your coach he will absolutely kill it.
You will be shaking your head going “how did we get him for nothing”.
Let him play as your inside mid & rest him forward occasionally and you will be sweet.
Will comfortably win u Centre clearance & avg 25+ & a goal every couple games.
The knocks are all bullshit, he’s improved his game out of site, Voss just dislikes him immensely as he clears it forward & attacking instead of out the back and slowly like he wants to play.
Sounds like he'd be a bit of a Dangerfield replacement then.....grab ball and bang it long forward as far as you can.

Means his efficiency can be 'low' but at least he's getting the ball deep into 50 quickly instead of dinky ring-a-rosie handball stuff....
 
So if he was given a clear role as an inside extractor "Your one job is to burrow in there and shovel it out to Holmes/Bruhn/Knevitt/Atkins", he'd be worth having a look at?

Wouldn't push any of those guys out of the mid, nor Clark, Parfitt

Next to useless/lost if resting forward
 
Sounds like he'd be a bit of a Dangerfield replacement then.....grab ball and bang it long forward as far as you can.

Means his efficiency can be 'low' but at least he's getting the ball deep into 50 quickly instead of dinky ring-a-rosie handball stuff....
He’s not Danger, but will win u a power of clearance, people here will call me delusional but 2yrs with u IMO he’d be a solid A grade mid.
 
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So if he was given a clear role as an inside extractor "Your one job is to burrow in there and shovel it out to Holmes/Bruhn/Knevitt/Atkins", he'd be worth having a look at?
He can definitely make a good contribution as a 3 or 4th mid at a club that will provide a better opportunity and provide confidence to develop his role.
He has not had a opportunity at Carlton the last two years so good luck to him next year in a club with better development programs in place.
 
There are 18 clubs out there who would be watching Dow, if he was showing half as much as some think they would all be into him. He has traits that might make him a player but i’d say it’s a small % chance
 
Sounds like he'd be a bit of a Dangerfield replacement then.....grab ball and bang it long forward as far as you can.

Means his efficiency can be 'low' but at least he's getting the ball deep into 50 quickly instead of dinky ring-a-rosie handball stuff....

The only thing Dow and Dangerfield have in common is their first name. IMO he is at best average at afl level.

As Arr0w said he’d be well behind Atkins and Holmes and even probably Bruhn who has more of an eye for goal than Dow.

If I were Geelong I’d rather see what you have with Clark and Knevitt than waste your time with Dow.
 
The one thing people haven't agreed with me on. We need a full time goal kicking coach. Would you agree? It's THE most important part of forward craft, yet we leave it up the individual to muddle their way through.

That would need to be part of the forward coach's skill set I would imagine. That way, if we convert, a lot of our problems dissipate.
I would love to see how much time forwards put in to goal kicking practice and then how much time is actually done on kicking practice in general.

I’ve seen golfers talk about putting practice and talking hundreds of putts, multiple times a week.
 
I would love to see how much time forwards put in to goal kicking practice and then how much time is actually done on kicking practice in general.

I’ve seen golfers talk about putting practice and talking hundreds of putts, multiple times a week.
As the Fevolution has said in interviews since retiring, he used to have to secretly do extras outside the club to do work on his set shots because the S&C staff told him he was only allowed like 50 shots or whatever it was at training. Don't remember the exact numbers he said he was limited to but he said he used to go to a park near his house with a big bag of footies and get the kids in the area to fetch them for him after he'd kicked them. Reckons he did a few hundred each session to make sure he knew every spot on the field inside and out.
 
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