Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[JGreezy]

What role will Duursma be at AFL level?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Surely the club cannot be contemplating giving pick 2 and 3 for 1.

Hopefully sensible heads prevail here.

I’m happy with our current picks. Though would be equally happy if we had 1, 3 and 11 as our draft hand this year.

The only way we give up 2 and 3 for 1 is if they give up their future first-rounder as well. I'd be prepared to throw in a future first PP to sweeten that deal.

 

[Sticksphat]

The only way we give up 2 and 3 for 1 is if they give up their future first-rounder as well. I'd be prepared to throw in a future first PP to sweeten that deal.

That's not entirely silly. I was thinking how we could leverage into two early picks next year. Don't see WC leaping up the tale (or us unfortunately). Still leaves us Reid, 14 (15.....) and PP1 this year. Depends on how the recruiters see next years talent I suppose.

 

[William Caresser]

Is there any danger Curtin is a rich man's Sam Durdin?

Absolutely not.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

The sub picks are a bonus. Picks 2 and 3 are literally a once in a generation opportunity. What we do with these two picks is everything. We nail these two and we are competing for 5 to 10 years

Sub picks are a bonus we will not be getting again

 

[giantroo]

Surely the club cannot be contemplating giving pick 2 and 3 for 1.

Hopefully sensible heads prevail here.

I’m happy with our current picks. Though would be equally happy if we had 1, 3 and 11 as our draft hand this year.

We aren't.

Having secured pick three as compensation for losing free agent Ben McKay to Essendon, North Melbourne have ruled out any prospect they would be prepared to hand over both picks two and three to West Coast to land the prized No.1 pick in this year’s national draft.

While the Kangaroos - who now hold picks 2, 3, 15 and 21 as well as a first round selection and two end of first round picks in the 2024 national draft - are still open to trying to secure the No.1 pick in this year’s draft they will not be giving away both picks 2 and 3 in an attempt to satisfy the Eagles according to an industry source familiar with the discussions who was not authorised to speak publicly.

It means the Kangaroos will, at least, take two of the top three picks into this year’s national draft.

Two out of three ain’t bad: Roos’ draft bonanza after Ben McKay compensation finalised

The Kangaroos now hold picks two and three in this year’s national draft, but there is no way they would hand over both quality picks for the No.1 selection.

www.theage.com.au

 

[My Left Foote]

Cal linking us to McKercher and Duursma with Curtain slipping to Melbourne potentially even GWS.

Would be worth trading down from 3 if we could snare Dees or Giants F1.

No sliding. We take 2 and 3 to the draft or 1 and 3 if West Coast are willing to trade.

 

[The acurate one]

I still prefer McKercher and pick 14 than Reid. I just don't think there's that much difference between the two and i think McKercher's game suits our needs better.

I like the idea of the pick we got for JHFF goes towards getting Reid.
Pretty much Reid for JHFF.

Let the games begin.
**** all them Poort fans

 

[amaz199]

need to close the gap between 3 and 15 so we have a chance to get Sanders.

 

[r00boy96]

What role will Duursma be at AFL level?

I think he's in the mould of FWD/MID, what we thought Sheezel would be before his switch to half back. At first glance it appears we have a few of his type; FWD around 189ish centimeters. But we actually don't have many genuine goalkickers that can rotate through the midfield.

 

[RobZombie]

I disagree.

Both with the premise that 'basically every club' would rate McKercher and (especially) Duursma above Curtin/Watson, as well as the fact that trading down is how we should get those players.

Just strongly, strongly disagree.

Feel free to disagree but you’re wrong.

 

[JGreezy]

But we actually don't have many genuine goalkickers that can rotate through the midfield.

Sheezel, Thomas and Zurhaar.
Eventually Curtis, if he builds a tank.

 

[r00boy96]

Sheezel, Thomas and Zurhaar.
Eventually Curtis, if he builds a tank.

Thomas would start mid I believe. Curtis no chance IMO he is playing mid, doesn't have the creativeness and fast thinking in the contest, his first option is always fend off.

 

[kool kangas]

I like the idea of the pick we got for JHFF goes towards getting Reid.
Pretty much Reid for JHFF.

Let the games begin.
* all them Poort fans

How good would that be...

If there was a bundle that we could do with the Weagles to get Darling ( even if only for 1 season) and play him instead of CCJ then that would be better and trial Comben in the backline.

l'm thinking

Our #2, #15 and F#3 maybe for
WC #1 and Darling

 

[giantroo]

'The Roos will have two top-four picks for the second consecutive year, with the club linked to Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma'

Port forward has medical, Pies mid to stay, Roos made to wait

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

 

[Merlin007]

'The Roos will have two top-four picks for the second consecutive year, with the club linked to Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma'

Port forward has medical, Pies mid to stay, Roos made to wait

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

anybody else see a bit of Simon Black in Colby?

 

[Chadwiko]

Feel free to disagree but you’re wrong.

If we use picks 2 and 3 on midfielders again this year, then we deserve all the mockery and abuse we'll get for doing so.

 

[Rooboy1708]

While we have all of these top drafts picks we should be stealing the mobile phones of the recruiting department so we can’t **** this up

 

[Psicosis]

It is interesting that Duursma went from 5 to 3 in Cals rankings immediately after interviewing Brady on Gettable. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would guess that Brady may have fed him.

 

[r00boy96]

'The Roos will have two top-four picks for the second consecutive year, with the club linked to Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma'

Port forward has medical, Pies mid to stay, Roos made to wait

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

Duursma's highlights are just as good as Sheezel's last year, and McKercher's are probably better than Wardlaw's (although Wardlaw missed most of the season).

 

[Psicosis]

'The Roos will have two top-four picks for the second consecutive year, with the club linked to Colby McKercher and Zane Duursma'

Port forward has medical, Pies mid to stay, Roos made to wait

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

www.afl.com.au

If you erase the fact that Zane’s brother is a hack for a few minutes whilst watching that video, you can see exactly why he is in contention for Pick 3.

 

[frankiecow]

Sheezel, Thomas and Zurhaar.
Eventually Curtis, if he builds a tank.

Stephenson is another who is that fwd/mid type. We also drafted Brayden George last year, who is in that mid sized general forward category, similar to Duursma. As good as Duursma is, I think it would be a really poor selection for us considering who we currently have on our list and what areas we need to address. We’re void of high end young key position players and next years draft is very thin in that department - it’s a very midfield heavy draft in the first round at this stage. If we don’t address the key position areas in this draft, then it’s going to be a couple of years before we will likely be able to.

 

[Tas]

What do you mean? Xerri doesn't move at the speed of a glacier.

Xerri has played 9, 12, 6 and 4 games in the last four years, he is a glacier during global warming, can't survive all winter. :stern look

 

[giantroo]

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AFL draft 2023: Young gun Lance Collard’s rapid rise sparks push for rule overhaul​

Western Australian young gun Lance Collard’s rapid rise through the AFL draft pecking order is set to trigger a fresh debate on rules that “need to change”.

Mark Duffield

4 min read
October 10, 2023 - 7:14PM
News Corp Australia Sports Newsroom
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Lance Collard after completing the 2km time trial at the 2023 AFL National Draft Combine. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Subiaco’s Lance Collard’s rapid rise through the draft pecking order

is set to trigger a fresh debate on AFL Next Generation Academy rules and a fresh push from non-Victorian clubs for the rules to be relaxed.

Collard tested brilliantly at the National Draft Combine to top off a spectacular finish to his WAFL Colts campaign and is now considered a possible first round pick at the draft.

He will almost certainly be taken before wooden spooner West Coast, the club whose Next Generation Academy he had been a part of, have a chance to match any bid for him.

Under current rules, clubs can only match a bid for an NGA prospect taken outside of pick 40.

The rules stand in contrast to father-son rules and Northern Academy rules with Gold Coast this year gathering first round draft picks in a trade with the Western Bulldogs to match bids for their highly touted prospects – forward Jed Walter, ruckman Ethan Read and midfielder Jake Rogers, with bids for all three expected to come inside the first round of the draft.

Two years ago, Fremantle were unable to pick South Fremantle NGA prospect Jesse Motlop when Carlton took him well inside the threshold at pick 27 overall.

Motlop, still a teenager now, has already played 33 games for the Blues including 21 of their 26 this year plus all three of their finals.

Lance Collard’s situation has created a push for draft rule changes. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Earlier in the year, the lightning quick Collard was viewed as a player who would fall somewhere between the middle of the second and third rounds, putting him right on the cusp of where the Eagles might have access to him.

But he kicked 32 goals in 11 games for the Subiaco Colts, rattling home with brilliant performances in finals against West Perth and East Fremantle when he kicked five goals in both games.

He then tested fourth fastest in the 20 metre sprint at the draft combine with a time of 2.923 seconds and won the agility run with a time of 8.157 seconds.

The traits exhibited are considered critical tools for an AFL small forward to have in their kit bag. And quality small forwards who can kick goals are becoming increasingly fashionable at AFL level with Collingwood’s Bobby Hill winning this year’s Norm Smith Medal.

Other Magpies Beau McCreery and Jamie Elliott also played key roles in Collingwood’s premiership push while runners up Brisbane had explosive pair Zac Bailey

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Zac Bailey

Age

25

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

and Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

at their disposal.

One AFL club recruiter on Tuesday said he would now view Collard as a first round and potential top 10 talent.

Locally talent managers have him behind only Claremont’s Daniel Curtin and alongside fellow Subiaco product Koltyn Tholstrup purely for talent.

Curtin is considered a certain top 10 pick while Tholstrup is expected to be taken in the top 25.

“He is certainly in our top couple in terms of talent,” state talent manager Adam Jones said of Collard. “The stuff that he can do is as good as any.”

“From a pure football traits perspective – speed and skill – that is a pretty fair statement.”

Lance Collard is in high demand in the AFL draft. Picture: Sarah Reed/AFL Photos via Getty Images

The question mark, Jones said, would be whether Collard could learn to adapt to the extra heat and attention he will cop at AFL level.

He had been prone to reacting to niggle and close checking but had shown signs he was improving that side of his game towards the end of the season.

“It is just that on field resilience and emotional stability. Once he gets a bit older you would expect him to be a lot better in that area.

From an off field perspective we haven’t had any dramas with him. It was bloody good to see him test well at the weekend,” Jones said.

The inequities between draft conditions for different AFL draft criteria like the Northern Academies and father-son picks were raised by Port Adelaide’s head of football Chris Davies on Trade Radio this week.

In South Australia, sons of SANFL players only qualify for father-son selections by the SA clubs if their fathers played 200 games for their SANFL clubs as opposed to 100 games for VFL/AFL father-son prospects.

Father-sons Josh and Nick Daicos finished first and equal second respectively in the Collingwood premiership team’s best and fairest while a third father-son Darcy Moore

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Darcy Moore

Age

28

Ht

203cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

169.1

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.7

1star

MG

182.0

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

87.4

2star

captained the team. All three were All-Australian this year.

“The AFL have got some decisions to make with regard to what they want the draft to actually look like, whether it be issues about the northern academies, father-son situation,” Davies said.

“To us, we still can’t believe it’s 100 games in the VFL and 200 games in the SANFL.

“I think it should (change). The AFL have got some real decisions to make right now.

“This year and the next few are going to be highly compromised.”

Lance Collard during the 2023 AFL National Draft Combine. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Lance Collard was impressive at the 2023 AFL National Draft Combine. Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Jones said there was clear inconsistency in the way different draft categories were treated.

“The fact that the North East seaboard clubs get full access to their academy players I feel there should be a little bit more lenience potentially (for NGA picks). Potentially a top 20 threshold which gives the clubs the incentive to put development into these kids. It is a good carrot for our young Indigenous kids and multicultural boys to work towards,” he said.

“Where it manifests with us is when we have got rural Indigenous kids – you need to relocate them and the AFL clubs are a great resource in terms of getting help with their work and things like that. It really is beneficial to make it as attractive to our local AFL clubs as you can.”

West Coast CEO Trevor Nisbett said the club’s list manager Rohan O’Brien had raised the issue several times with AFL officials.

“I think Rohan has been talking to the AFL on a consistent basis on the NGA rules as compared to Northern states rules, all the other rules that go along with this draft,” he said.

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“They (Northern clubs) can match bids at any time. They don’t have to be NGA players – just academy players. Outside 40 is just extraordinary.”

“We have been liaising with the league and we have written to them a number of times to see whether there is an opportunity to change the rules. It needs to be changed. There is such a disparity between the rules now, between the categories – it needs to change.”

He said non-Victorian clubs had always been at a disadvantage to Victorian clubs when it came to father-son picks because of their shorter histories.

 

[krakouers]

How good would that be...

If there was a bundle that we could do with the Weagles to get Darling ( even if only for 1 season) and play him instead of CCJ then that would be better and trial Comben in the backline.

l'm thinking

Our #2, #15 and F#3 maybe for
WC #1 and Darling

This season averages: