Training 2023 Pre-season thread

[Dalions]

Am I the only one who thought Gardiners shoulder was the issue still?

Foot, Shoulder, Ankle, Knee, take you pick.

 

[FootyNorth]

To reflect for a moment, nice to have the selection dilemmas we have. At some stage we are gonna be hit with injuries. Having
Prior, Answerth, Lyons, Fort, Joyce, Tunstall and Mathieson (to name but a few) fighting for positions and waiting in the wings is very reassuring. Not sure but it feels to be the best depth we have had since the early 2000 glory days.

 

[briztoon]

Foot, Shoulder, Ankle, Knee, take you pick.

Back was the other serious issue Mighty Lions mentioned.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

 

[Hanley]

Just interested to note that we are now the odds on favourite for the Port away game on the AFL website according to their fixtures page. Sort of shifts the broader narrative that some were talking up about Port needing to win at home as favourites to stop the mob starting on Ken straight away.

 

[Section 5]

We saved on one airfare the Swans saved on Two.

 

[dlanod]

We saved on one airfare the Swans saved on Two.

Harris probably knocked it back when he heard he'd be in economy at his height.

 

[Viceregal]

Aker has put it all on the line with his prediction for Brisbane 23 ...

"A top four team if they play to their standard but the inclusions should make them better."

Of course there are seven teams listed for top four so ...

MSN

 

[Berrygood]

I think we will need to be a bit patient with Payne. Gotta remember he has only played 27 games, in one of the toughest positions on the ground. He is bound to make some errors and have some shockers. This will potentially be his first full season in the firsts with a great deal of responsibility on his shoulders, but I think the more he plays the better he will get. Just hoping he has an injury free season.

 

[Section 5]

I think we will need to be a bit patient with Payne. Gotta remember he has only played 27 games, in one of the toughest positions on the ground. He is bound to make some errors and have some shockers. This will potentially be his first full season in the firsts with a great deal of responsibility on his shoulders, but I think the more he plays the better he will get. Just hoping he has an injury free season.

Drafted in 2017 so Payne has been in the system for 5 years. No AFL games in the first 2 years.
However, 5 of those 27 games were finals so great experience for him.
He has looked fairly comfortable playing in the sims and trial games.
Possibly because he knows the spot is for him to lose.

I have high hopes for him this year but as you say he will have some clangers for sure.
He only had 1 clanger in the Cats game, compared to 5 each for co-defenders Andrews, Rich & McKenna

 

[rye]

The lesser known players at your club tipped to play senior footy in 2023

The youngsters, draftees or fringe players set to step up.

www.sen.com.au

interesting that sharp is mentioned by neale

havent been blown away by him in any of the match sim / praccy matches but there seems to be a lot of positive messaging coming out around him from the club

 

[Tom14]

Drafted in 2017 so Payne has been in the system for 5 years. No AFL games in the first 2 years.
However, 5 of those 27 games were finals so great experience for him.
He has looked fairly comfortable playing in the sims and trial games.
Possibly because he knows the spot is for him to lose.

I have high hopes for him this year but as you say he will have some clangers for sure.
He only had 1 clanger in the Cats game, compared to 5 each for co-defenders Andrews, Rich & McKenna

I don't have a direct memory of the clangers for Andrews, Rich McKenna, but guessing they were pressured kicks out of contest that got turned over? Payne's issues are the turnovers which are totally unpressured, which can hopefully decrease as he gets more experience.

 

[Nathan Barley]

The lesser known players at your club tipped to play senior footy in 2023

The youngsters, draftees or fringe players set to step up.

www.sen.com.au

interesting that sharp is mentioned by neale

havent been blown away by him in any of the match sim / praccy matches but there seems to be a lot of positive messaging coming out around him from the club

The wings are probably our biggest weakness. Sharp at the very least can run

 

[Section 5]

I don't have a direct memory of the clangers for Andrews, Rich McKenna, but guessing they were pressured kicks out of contest that got turned over? Payne's issues are the turnovers which are totally unpressured, which can hopefully decrease as he gets more experience.

Payne had a total of 17 clangers in his 12 games in 2022
That is an average of 1.4 per game.

His turnovers were higher being 31 or 2.6 per game
So yes he needs to clear that up a bit seeing so far he is not a huge possession getter averaging just 11 disposals last year.

Coleman and Rich should become his best friend out of defense.

 

[Dalions]

The lesser known players at your club tipped to play senior footy in 2023

The youngsters, draftees or fringe players set to step up.

www.sen.com.au

interesting that sharp is mentioned by neale

havent been blown away by him in any of the match sim / praccy matches but there seems to be a lot of positive messaging coming out around him from the club

I would go so far as to say that imo he is not ready.
Jimmy Tunstill is more ready than Sharpy.

 

[FootyNorth]

Unfortunate shadow placement for Luke Parker. Omen for the Swans??

 

[morsie]

To reflect for a moment, nice to have the selection dilemmas we have. At some stage we are gonna be hit with injuries. Having
Prior, Answerth, Lyons, Fort, Joyce, Tunstall and Mathieson (to name but a few) fighting for positions and waiting in the wings is very reassuring. Not sure but it feels to be the best depth we have had since the early 2000 glory days.

Was there that much depth then,serious question.I reckon except for ruckman we had a pretty good run with injury.Someone with more patience and knowledge than me might comment further.

 

[Brett C]

I would go so far as to say that imo he is not ready.
Jimmy Tunstill is more ready than Sharpy.

I would go so far as to say that Lachie Neale probably has a better idea that we do.

 

[Dalions]

I would go so far as to say that Lachie Neale probably has a better idea that we do.

What would he know.

 

[BuntonRules]

What would he know.

As long as Harris is on the same page.

 

[Dalions]

As long as Harris is on the same page.

If you listen to the media, no chance!

 

[McIvor]

I would go so far as to say that imo he is not ready.
Jimmy Tunstill is more ready than Sharpy.

seems to tempt fate with these recent predictions of players to look out far - Eli Smith last year and i think BAllenden the year before.

Ive seen a bit of live reserves games and any on YT and whilst he's obviously a great trainer , to my unlearned eye, I dont quite see it with Sharp although would love to be proven wrong.

 

[chopperduck]

Let's hope so. The issue I believe will arrise if they adjudicate those things correctly though is that the media and fans will jump on the 'put the whistle away and let them play' bandwagon, rather than saying 'the game wouldn't stop every 30 seconds if players could play within the rules.'

Cause and affect. They have been allowed to get away with so much for so long. Crack down on it, it will take a little bit of time, but they will adjust their actions so they don't give away free kicks.

Get rid of off the molestation of players without the ball and the game would be a much better to watch.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Cause and affect. They have been allowed to get away with so much for so long. Crack down on it, it will take a little bit of time, but they will adjust their actions so they don't give away free kicks.

Get rid of off the molestation of players without the ball and the game would be a much better to watch.

"Pre-tackling". When it is actually better to be second to the ball because you can basically be inside someone's shorts before they even take possession. If you are not first to the ball or side by side with your opponent, it is physically impossible for you to either shepherd, or bump in the side. Thus, ANY contact, regardless of how incidental it is, should see the first player rewarded with a free kick.

If prior opportunity is eliminated (which I believe it eventually should and will be), this is an absolute must as a corollary. Otherwise the game will be end up looking like those cycling races where they sit at the top of the track trying to outdo the other guy as to who can go the slowest.

 

[Berrygood]

The wings are probably our biggest weakness. Sharp at the very least can run

Yeah, not sure I agree that the wings are our biggest weakness. I think with our squad it's our biggest opportunity. Berry, Tunstill, Wilmot, McKenna, Dev, Bailey, Ah Chee, Answerth, Sharp, plenty with the ability to claim that role. It may take a while to work out who suits it best, but once it's sorted I think we'll be right. It's an area, along with sm/med half-backs, that maybe be our biggest uncertainties, but with the quality of players pushing for those roles I can't see them as a weakness.

Biggest weakness, without doubt, is our tall defenders. Even then it's not a weakness with the starting quality of players, Andrews, Gardiner, Payne. It's a weakness in the depth. All 3 are injury prone to some degree. Rayner has been trialled down back but I do think he would struggle against a tall, tall fwd. We have Joyce, unproven as yet, Gunston can and has gone back with some success, and then we have Fullerton and possibly Lester, but both I think would be last options.

Like every club, we are susceptible to multiple injuries in a position. Our susceptibilities are tall defenders and possibly tall forwards, even ruck if both O and Fort go down at the same time. But again the weakness is in depth not starting quality. Joyce, Fullerton, H Smith and Lane, big questions for these tall lads if disaster strikes but also great opportunity if they can stand up n take it.