Training 2023 pre-season

[Punts]

hey nice change for them to talk him down

Been so good for so long it would feel strange but can’t go for ever unfortunately.

Still had his dominant games last year though

 

[Zanerednwhite]

Heard Horse say today
"We expect with Tom Hickey

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Tom Hickey

Age

33

Ht

202cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.9

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

19.1

5star

D

4.0

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.0

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

7.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

8.6

5star

at the moment having a calf injury that (McAndrew) will certainly be looking at some game time at some point early in the season."

 

[dosser]

Buddy hell: Swans admit star ‘won’t play every week’, hasn’t trained well all pre-season

Buddy hell: Swans admit star ‘won’t play every week’, hasn’t trained well all pre-season

www.foxsports.com.au

A very measured use of language when talking about Campbell. My interpretation was that they think Campbell has played enough to show what he can do, but we are only seeing glimpses here and there, so he needs to develop from here (or...).

 

[caesar88]

Heard Horse say today
"We expect with Tom Hickey at the moment having a calf injury that (McAndrew) will certainly be looking at some game time at some point early in the season."

I know it's only cause we've got injuries in the ruck department, but I absolutely did NOT see McAndrew potentially playing round 1 this year. Would there have ever been a more unlikely round 1 debutant for us?

 

[caesar88]

A very measured use of language when talking about Campbell. My interpretation was that they think Campbell has played enough to show what he can do, but we are only seeing glimpses here and there, so he needs to develop from here (or...).

True, but Horse also typically doesn't give players a mention publicly unless they've absolutely warranted it. To me it suggests a pretty high level of confidence that Campbell will deliver.

 

[RilesMacca]

I wonder if Edwards will debut early (assuming that Reid, amartey, McLean, ladhams, hickey don’t get up). Seemed really versatile in match sim and does have a big body on him.

 

[Callipygian]

I know it's only cause we've got injuries in the ruck department, but I absolutely did NOT see McAndrew potentially playing round 1 this year. Would there have ever been a more unlikely round 1 debutant for us?

Not many. Cam Owen comes to mind. Also Sheather (due to his injuries and the amount of depth in this position). Maybe Vickery - I have high hopes for him but am not expecting him to debut this year.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I know it's only cause we've got injuries in the ruck department, but I absolutely did NOT see McAndrew potentially playing round 1 this year. Would there have ever been a more unlikely round 1 debutant for us?

I was going to suggest 1982, when the great Silvio Foschini turned out in round 1 against Melbourne.

However, it transpires that Silvio played a game for South the previous year - so it wasn't actually a debut.

On that basis - yes, I think McAndrew would be the most unlikely debutant in Swans history!

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

I wonder if Edwards will debut early (assuming that Reid, amartey, McLean, ladhams, hickey don’t get up). Seemed really versatile in match sim and does have a big body on him.

I reckon he's still got a lot of developing to do. If he ends up being a swiss army knife kind of KPP/backup ruck that'd be huge for us but I doubt he's there yet

 

[Callipygian]

Not many. Cam Owen comes to mind. Also Sheather (due to his injuries and the amount of depth in this position). Maybe Vickery - I have high hopes for him but am not expecting him to debut this year.

Sorry, I misread the question. Didn't read it properly and thought it was was there anyone on our list now who would have been a more unlikely call up.

 

[caesar88]

Sorry, I misread the question. Didn't read it properly and thought it was was there anyone on our list now who would have been a more unlikely call up.

That would also be a fair question! And I think you're spot on, there wouldn't be too many I'd have had as more unlikely to debut in round 1 at the start of this year than McAndrew, but Owen, Sheather and Vickery would probably be the three. Maybe Rankin & Hall-Kahan based on their size as well.

I suppose there was always gonna be a decent chance of McAndrew playing senior footy, given we only have two decent full-time rucks on the list (not including the cameo rucks like Reid, Amartey.)

But to his credit, McAndrew meeting the challenge head-on and actually being decent would've had something to do with it. I suspect if he was a disaster and didn't look ready at all, he wouldn't be in the frame, no matter how dire our ruck situation was (akin to the way Horse didn't turn to Michael Knoll back in 2019, even when we had no other rucks.)

 

[Bloods86]

That would also be a fair question! And I think you're spot on, there wouldn't be too many I'd have had as more unlikely to debut in round 1 at the start of this year than McAndrew, but Owen, Sheather and Vickery would probably be the three. Maybe Rankin & Hall-Kahan based on their size as well.

I suppose there was always gonna be a decent chance of McAndrew playing senior footy, given we only have two decent full-time rucks on the list (not including the cameo rucks like Reid, Amartey.)

But to his credit, McAndrew meeting the challenge head-on and actually being decent would've had something to do with it. I suspect if he was a disaster and didn't look ready at all, he wouldn't be in the frame, no matter how dire our ruck situation was (akin to the way Horse didn't turn to Michael Knoll back in 2019, even when we had no other rucks.)

Knoll was usually injured I thought?

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Be surprised if he last the year to be honest.

The better defenders started to exploit him at years end unfortunately

His wife is struggling with depression after the birth of their child its the reason they are moving back to QLD after his career is done.

This is more about Family than Franklin himself.

 

[caesar88]

Knoll was usually injured I thought?

Not that I can recall? I seem to remember him playing most NEAFL games from the time we picked him up in the mid-season draft in 2019, unless my memory is failing me...

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I was going to suggest 1982, when the great Silvio Foschini turned out in round 1 against Melbourne.

However, it transpires that Silvio played a game for South the previous year - so it wasn't actually a debut.

On that basis - yes, I think McAndrew would be the most unlikely debutant in Swans history!

.... And here was I thinking Dean Towers was the most improbable Deb. Still think it is close.

 

[hairy biker]

I know it's only cause we've got injuries in the ruck department, but I absolutely did NOT see McAndrew potentially playing round 1 this year. Would there have ever been a more unlikely round 1 debutant for us?

Victor Hugo 1980.

 

[caesar88]

Victor Hugo 1980.

Damn, you just wouldn't get a name like that in the AFL these days would you

 

[rustycrate]

I wonder if Edwards will debut early (assuming that Reid, amartey, McLean, ladhams, hickey don’t get up). Seemed really versatile in match sim and does have a big body on him.

He is Cat B rookie. So we need a retirement or LTI for him to be elevated to play too.

 

[Kiama Chris]

He is Cat B rookie. So we need a retirement or LTI for him to be elevated to play too.

Quite excited by Edwards' game on Friday. Not that he ripped it apart but he showed athleticism, courage, decent skill and endurance in a non-preferred role.
Heaps to work with.
Definitely one to watch.

 

[bedford]

Quite excited by Edwards' game on Friday. Not that he ripped it apart but he showed athleticism, courage, decent skill and endurance in a non-preferred role.
Heaps to work with.
Definitely one to watch.

They way the game is going it might be preferred , hybrid rucks that play like ruck rovers

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

He is Cat B rookie. So we need a retirement or LTI for him to be elevated to play too.

Not how it works anymore. He can play no matter the injury status of others

 

[rustycrate]

Not how it works anymore. He can play no matter the injury status of others

Tell me more about the change in the rules regarding how Cat B rookies can play when you have a full list of players(currently 44 players).

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

Tell me more about the change in the rules regarding how Cat B rookies can play when you have a full list of players(currently 44 players).

... there's nothing more to tell. You can play anyone on your list at any time

 

[rustycrate]

... there's nothing more to tell. You can play anyone on your list at any time

That is great news to me.

 

[SGBeach]

because I was bored in the pre-season, I wrote down the players weights. The Swans have just updated the current weights of all the players..
here's a table of change from last year to this (draftees from weight at draft to current)
Some players have been hitting the weights, and others running laps around the SCG. Some both

Name
2022kg - 2023kg

The Chad 82-82	Logan 92-95	Florent 81-84	Ladhams 101-103	Rampe 91-89	Sheldrick 88-86	Sheather 87-86	Owen 94-95	HHK 78-82
McLean 98-99	Rowbum 82-82	Mills 87-86	Reid 98-96	Vickory 72-73	Tom Mac 97-99	Roberts 84-86	Rankin 73-77	McAndrew 101-104
Stephens 78-80	Hayward 84-83	Campbell 79-80	Gulden 78-77	Parker 88-88	Paddy Mac 95-100	Mitchell 80-81	Fox 84-84	Cunningham 78-78
Clarke 83-86	Francis 92-93	Gould 97-102	Blakey 84-83	JMac 84-83	Hickey 97-104	Amartey 100-100	Melican 100-99	Wicks 82-82
Heeney 87-88	Paps 80-77	Konstanty 73-74	Buddy 106-102	Edwards 100-100	Magor 76-76	Corey Warner 71-77	Lloyd 80-81

Highlighted a few big and/or interesting changes..
Hickey wins with a weight gain of 7kg,, Corey W not far behind
Gulden and Blakey both lost weight ???