Preview 2023 Rd 11 Carlton vs Sydney Friday May 26 7:50PM @ SCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in:-


IN: Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

25

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

, Brodie Kemp
OUT: Ed Curnow, Jack Silvagni

1

Jack Silvagni

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

After starting last weekend as sub, George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

has been elevated to the starting 22.

AFL team selection: Blues bring back tall timber

Carlton's Round 11 team has landed.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Sam Docherty	Jacob Weitering	Nic Newman
Half-backs:	Brodie Kemp	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Oliver Hollands
Half-forwards:	Matthew Kennedy	Harry McKay	Tom De Koning
Forwards:	Corey Durdin	Charlie Curnow	Jesse Motlop
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	George Hewett	Sam Walsh
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Adam Cerra	Matthew Cottrell
	Matthew Owies
Emergencies:	Ed Curnow	Lachie Fogarty	Jack Silvagni
	Lewis Young

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Gov never to darken the doorstep is my sage advice to CFC. Cut out the canker.
Lewis Young may be limited, but he tries. Gov has talent, but rarely does.

Young is just a really dumb footballer. His lazy efforts also suggest that he doesn't try hard enough either.

Gov will be dropped after the Swans game provided Marchbank survives...

 

[RiCHii]

All this talk about Dow has me perplexed.

People talking about, who does he replace? and what other strings does he have to his bow?

How about find a way to get him into the team and reward the kid who is tearing it up in the 2's?

FWIW he could easily walk in and replace Curnow or Hewitt, both have offered nothing this year and both are midfielders only.


Tomorrow night they'll name Ed are the sub and ill genuinely spew up. What does the selection team see in him that we can't see?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I know we will stretch the Swans without their key backs but I think the omission of Young is the strange one this week.
It's like we've voluntarily put ourselves into the same position they're in.

Sydney have named Buddy (199), McLean (197) up forward plus one of the two ruckmen McAndrew (209) and Hickey (202) will go down there as well.
Down back we've got Weitering (196), Kemp (193) and McGovern (191).

Other than that I like the changes.
JSOS and Ed needed a spell. TDK and Kemp should be playing.


Dow's papers are stamped. I agree he should have been given an opportunity by now but it's clearly not going to happen so we'll push on with the rest of the list.

Buddy has never been strong over head. He's always been a lead out forward and dynamic mover or stronger than you wrestler. Everything young sucks at. So ignore the height and back the athleticism of whoever is on him with this lineup imo.

Would hope.pitto/ TDK are running with hickey right? If they aren't we need to be abusing them the other way

 

[Arr0w]

The major concern I still have with selection, is playing 6 dedicated defenders and Doc splitting his time back and mid

Bite the head off, play 7 defenders, with Doc playing mid/forward

 

[Jimmae]

We’ve clearly got zero idea how to use the sub.

Curnow, SOS, Young emergencies.

Can’t wait for that huge injection of leg speed through the middle in Q4.

Emergency list kind of sums it up…

Dropping Young is a mistake, McGovern should have been given the flick and the other two Silvagni and Curnow shouldn’t be on the emergency list…

Franklin 200cm/102kg & McLean 198cm/99kg key forwards, even Hickey 201cm/104kg can role down forward as well, we have Weitering as our only true KPD who’s terribly out of form himself, makes you wonder…

5 day turnaround, interstate trip, slow out of form non preforming midfield, no fresh legs or run added to the team, not even too the emergency list or the possible sub, makes no sense at all…

Hope Hollands goes well, looks to be needing a weeks off break for a little freshen up…

Fogarty actually would inject leg speed. At the SCG though, the focus should be ball control, so it might be Jack or Ed. Emergencies reflect that we're going a bit short in defence, and that we like to have at least 1 forward, 1 mid, 1 defender, and that there's a ruck option in the mix.

Hollands did sit out half the game, but I agree he should have been rested. Rucks will drift back into defence if their ruck pushes forward, and probably just do so anyway in the system when they aren't on the bench or resting forward.

None of the 'screaming posters' bother to offer up who Dow should replace though do they? The truth is, for better or worse, and I think better for the longer term - Voss wants all his mids to be able to play in multiple positions - the only mid who doesn't rotate forward or back or wing is Cripps. Dow is up against Cripps as an extractor only....most top teams have 6-8 midfield rotations up their sleeves - Carlton has to get there and to get there the mids have to be able to play multiple positions ...

Could Dow do a better job than the other blokes rotations - that is the real question if people want him to be played ahead of Cripps I think that they are kidding themselves or just being hyperbolic for the fun of it - on here.

My argument in terms of that is three fold:

1. Dow can play a simple lead up half-forward if required, can absolutely rove packs, that makes him a solid rotation for how Owies and Jack play, and the same can be said of Cripps, Cerra, Kennedy and Kemp.

2. We should have 2nd ruck duties shared amongst Jack (mid), Cripps (mid), McKay (fwd), C.Curnow (fwd), Young (def), and Pittonet or TDK's rotation should be timed around being available for the centre bounce.

3. Our ruck system at the centre bounce should be built around control the fall of the ball without seeking to leap over the opponent, thereby reducing stress on the knees, which slows a player down over the course of a game & season.

I think we've mildly experimented with all 3 of these things at various times, but never committed to them together. The problem is that when we do, we need to lose a ruck, or we need genuine forward impact from at least one of the rucks, and Jack gets dropped.

We try to cover for the 2 ruck setup with a stupid Auskick level marking screen on the wing to make them feel useful, despite neither one really sticking their marks.

Personally this week I would have dropped Pittonet for TDK, as I think Pittonet had tired, but now Voss finally gets the system he wants, and he can see what it looks like in the pressure cooker of the SCG, somewhere that Jack does his best work on average, and clearly would suit his strengths while covering his weaknesses.

It's a strange choice, but maybe tomorrow night is the first time we try all of these things, just without Dow or Jack involved. We're going to lose so many talented players because we're so stubborn about how we use Cripps, rucks, and Walsh. This mentality is killing our team instead of enriching it.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Buddy has never been strong over head. He's always been a lead out forward and dynamic mover or stronger than you wrestler. Everything young sucks at. So ignore the height and back the athleticism of whoever is on him with this lineup imo.

Would hope.pitto/ TDK are running with hickey right? If they aren't we need to be abusing them the other way

****en Hickey, was free to a good home & has been great for them, was a very astute pick up.

 

[Jimmae]

Tomorrow night they'll name Ed are the sub and ill genuinely spew up. What does the selection team see in him that we can't see?

The ability to impact in every part of the ground through his decision making and execution, when his legs aren't failing him.

He needs a rest though.

 

[HarryFlashman]

The major concern I still have with selection, is playing 6 dedicated defenders and Doc splitting his time back and mid

Bite the head off, play 7 defenders, with Doc playing mid/forward

Yeah the midfield has looked great & has been firing with Doc in it & our back line is safe as houses with out him.
Last thing we need is leadership & direction in the back line
Move him back for the love of god- Kennedy mid/forward not Doc, he kicks a couple long goals from dubious free kicks and he’s now a forward FMD

 

[Kernafides]

Not buying into the young is ordinary narrative. Think there is a correlation between his lack of form and weiters lack of form. Again perhaps easier to use him as a scapegoat rather than Jacob. Has time on his side though

 

[RiCHii]

The ability to impact in every part of the ground through his decision making and execution, when his legs aren't failing him.

He needs a rest though.

I love what Ed has been able to offer us in his years of service at the Carlton football club, but he is past it.

I don't see the need of giving games to a bloke, I believe doesn't impact the game at all, over a guy who is averaging over 30 touches in the 2's.

I don't like the message that sends to the group, to the kids, now and future.

These selections scream a coach on the brink of being given the arse.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Not buying into the young is ordinary narrative. Think there is a correlation between his lack of form and weiters lack of form. Again perhaps easier to use him as a scapegoat rather than Jacob. Has time on his side though

Every time he gets the ball he’s a deer in the headlights. He can’t even push back after a mark aggressively to give himself space.
Young is very ordinary & his confidence is also super fragile, one little mistake & he's shot.

 

[BM123]

McGovern is one of the hardest at it players on the list- last week he had a couple of poor mements- who knows why... he also laid a couple of very hard tackles as well...it is his non-intercept and lack of run and kick form that bothers me more than his out of character one armed tackle attempts.

He was disgustingly weak on Sunday. Young was poor but he wasn't actively jumping out of the way of contests. Gov had to be moved because he was squibbing it down back and he still had zero intensity up forward. Poppin fresh would've been harder at it than Mcgovern. We have 750k a year going towards removing the brown stains out of his shorts.

For a club talking about improving defensively Gov should've been the first to be dropped. We may as well change our emblem to a blue marsh mellow if his "efforts" don't get him dropped.

8 disposals, 4 clangers, 2 tackles, 2 "cp", a bunch of squibs and one pair of brown shorts is all he gave us on Sunday. No one has enough credits in the bank to justify playing the week after that.

 

[CaptainCharisma]

Not buying into the young is ordinary narrative. Think there is a correlation between his lack of form and weiters lack of form. Again perhaps easier to use him as a scapegoat rather than Jacob. Has time on his side though

Weitering, Young and McGovern have all been below average this year.
Are they all out of form at the same time? Structural issues? Injury niggles?

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Not buying into the young is ordinary narrative. Think there is a correlation between his lack of form and weiters lack of form. Again perhaps easier to use him as a scapegoat rather than Jacob. Has time on his side though

I'd be willing to bet it's more the opposite. The supremely talented player who's.proven he's one of the best is suffering a formdrop because he's lost confidence in his partner in crime seems far more logical.

They've both been rather down. Weits has more credits just on this season alone still - he was astoundingly good week 1 vs Richmond.

 

[The Dochs in]

I do fear for our height. Buddy now older and McLean are two blokes who are big and strong and will just sit and wrestle. Fair ask for Kemp to man one of them. You’d think McGovern to Heeney who plays a bit taller than he is but god help us if one of them weitering or kemp get injured

 

[thebluenewdeal]

I do fear for our height. Buddy now older and McLean are two blokes who are big and strong and will just sit and wrestle. Fair ask for Kemp to man one of them. You’d think McGovern to Heeney who plays a bit taller than he is but god help us if one of them weitering or kemp get injured

Jsos as sub would have to be the go

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

He was disgustingly weak on Sunday. Young was poor but he wasn't actively jumping out of the way of contests. Gov had to be moved because he was squibbing it down back and he still had zero intensity up forward. Poppin fresh would've been harder at it than Mcgovern. We have 750k a year going towards removing the brown stains out of his shorts.

For a club talking about improving defensively Gov should've been the first to be dropped. We may as well change our emblem to a blue marsh mellow if his "efforts" don't get him dropped.

8 disposals, 4 clangers, 2 tackles, 2 "cp", a bunch of squibs and one pair of brown shorts is all he gave us on Sunday. No one has enough credits in the bank to justify playing the week after that.

Ive not seen a hard McGovern since he came to Carlton. I assume it's because he's got no confidence in his body to withstand going all out. He can rebuild that confidence in the twos because he's been pretty soft all year

The odd blind side tackle doesn't make someone tough either. They're the simple ones. He's just not body lining the ball, not crashing packs and he's been dropping too many marks.

 

[BM123]

All this talk about Dow has me perplexed.

People talking about, who does he replace? and what other strings does he have to his bow?

How about find a way to get him into the team and reward the kid who is tearing it up in the 2's?

FWIW he could easily walk in and replace Curnow or Hewitt, both have offered nothing this year and both are midfielders only.


Tomorrow night they'll name Ed are the sub and ill genuinely spew up. What does the selection team see in him that we can't see?

I rate Hewett but he is playing with 1 good hand. No reason for him to be considered best 22 no questions asked when he is already playing under duress.

 

[Jimmae]

Ive not seen a hard McGovern since he came to Carlton. I assume it's because he's got no confidence in his body to withstand going all out. He can rebuild that confidence in the twos because he's been pretty soft all year

The odd blind side tackle doesn't make someone tough either. They're the simple ones. He's just not body lining the ball, not crashing packs and he's been dropping too many marks.

Personally I've never thought of him as tough, just athletically explosive, whether it's bolting down the field, or sending his hamstring fibers flying off the bone

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Personally I've never thought of him as tough, just athletically explosive, whether it's bolting down the field, or sending his hamstring fibers flying off the bone

Yeah it's like he doesn't have an inhibitor chip with his athleticism .

 

[BlueTongue]

Every time he gets the ball he’s a deer in the headlights. He can’t even push back after a mark aggressively to give himself space.
Young is very ordinary & his confidence is also super fragile, one little mistake & he's shot.

Nah cannot agree with this at all.
What about when he carried our backline without Gov or Weitering?

Everyone at present is unsure of themselves because the supporters are pissed big time and that makes it a real catch 22.
The more they get nervous, the worse they play, dont hit targets, turn the ball over and more pressure on the defence.
Weitering has gone missing (in hindsight probably since his bank account was emptied) and with all of the turnovers they are even more under siege, and so the supporters get even more pissed off.

I think we need to play hard tough in close lock down footy because we cannot execute the current gameplan.
This wee is just the opponent to do it against.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

The major concern I still have with selection, is playing 6 dedicated defenders and Doc splitting his time back and mid

Bite the head off, play 7 defenders, with Doc playing mid/forward

Wouldn't worry me if they left doch as the general of
The backline all night

 

[HarryFlashman]

Nah cannot agree with this at all.
What about when he carried our backline without Gov or Weitering?

Everyone at present is unsure of themselves because the supporters are pissed big time and that makes it a real catch 22.
The more they get nervous, the worse they play, dont hit targets, turn the ball over and more pressure on the defence.
Weitering has gone missing (in hindsight probably since his bank account was emptied) and with all of the turnovers they are even more under siege, and so the supporters get even more pissed off.

I think we need to play hard tough in close lock down footy because we cannot execute the current gameplan.
This wee is just the opponent to do it against.

100% we’ve hung the back line out to dry, Weiters being so down hurts us in a few ways- Young’s performance is one of them.
He stepped up huge when Weiters went down, but he hasn’t been playing like that this year thou. Poor blokes are undersiege trying to survive knowing that the forwards aren’t kicking a score- makes their lives bloody hard & the pressure amps up massively. Defending 10-12 goals week on week is an impossible task. He’s has been ordinary of late thou.

 

[BlueTongue]

Buddy has never been strong over head. He's always been a lead out forward and dynamic mover or stronger than you wrestler. Everything young sucks at. So ignore the height and back the athleticism of whoever is on him with this lineup imo.

Would hope.pitto/ TDK are running with hickey right? If they aren't we need to be abusing them the other way

Weiters strengths are his size (Buddy wont get into a wrestle with him), his reading of the play and ability to read the play and cut off attacks with his over head marking.

Buddy will still leave Weiters in the dust. He'll lead into space and Weiters is not fast enough to keep up.

 

[BlueBayou]

Young is just a really dumb footballer. His lazy efforts also suggest that he doesn't try hard enough either.

Gov will be dropped after the Swans game provided Marchbank survives...

I agree he is not a quick thinker. I recall there were 2 or 3 times last week when he had a mark or free and every filth player peeeled off him, not even manning the mark, he was 30-40 mts in the clear and just stood there, waiting for them to fill the space. Dumb, stupid, idiotic, but not proof he doesnt try.

Brackets just doesnt give a feck, paycheck guaranteed.