Rumour 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 37!, 1 (busted) BIG FISH ALERT last October 9th) (9 confirmed! 17 Busted!)

[ams4crows]

Continues from Rumour - 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 33!, 1 BIG FISH ALERT last October 4th) (7 confirmed! 11 Busted!)

 

[WeeBlake]

It’s between Melbourne and one of their players and everyone puts their mayo on it and get all erect at a nude shadow

It was healthy and normal to get excited about a top 5 mid coming. I don’t think anyone seriously thought it was a sure thing.

 

[Brasher]

Would certainly be interesting if Melbourne were using the threat of a trade to get better behaviour from Oliver without any intention of following through. I wonder if there's been a few bluffs called from the involved parties

Agree but is a weird approach threatening a guy on a guaranteed multi million dollar contract that can't be traded or cut without his permission.

The only thing they can hope for is Oliver's professional pride and not wanting to spend the rest of the decade in the VFL.

 

[Hodgy]

Even if Oliver wants to leave, Melbourne don't have to trade him. That's the beauty of the contract, Melbourne can issue all the ultimatums, Oliver can call all those bluffs, then at the end of the day not trade him

The last thing Melbourne would want is to force someone to stay for 7 years on $1m a year. It would be a culture killer. Imagine young players being told we can’t pay you more because that unfit guy over there who doesn’t want to be here is taking up all our salary cap.

personally I thinks it’s one of 2 scenarios.

1. Oliver is the one disgruntled and wanting to leave, in which case it will still happen. The meeting then would have been how to make Melbourne come out of it looking good and with pick 1.

2. They thought that by threatening Oliver with trading him that it would be the wake up call he needed to improve his attitude. He then called their bluff and everyone has been madly scrambling since. The meeting in that case was how to spin it so that the club looks like it’s in control of the situation.

 

[Danger in Texas]

No chol

 

[GROTTO]

For my own mental health I’m gonna assume it’s not happening haha

It doesn’t seem like the saga is quite done though, for sure

 

[texanmike]

The last thing Melbourne would want is to force someone to stay for 7 years on $1m a year. It would be a culture killer. Imagine young players being told we can’t pay you more because that unfit guy over there who doesn’t want to be here is taking up all our salary cap.

personally I thinks it’s one of 2 scenarios.

1. Oliver is the one disgruntled and wanting to leave, in which case it will still happen. The meeting then would have been how to make Melbourne come out of it looking good and with pick 1.

2. They thought that by threatening Oliver with trading him that it would be the wake up call he needed to improve his attitude. He then called their bluff and everyone has been madly scrambling since. The meeting in that case was how to spin it so that the club looks like it’s in control of the situation.

 

[baldandbroke]

The last thing Melbourne would want is to force someone to stay for 7 years on $1m a year. It would be a culture killer. Imagine young players being told we can’t pay you more because that unfit guy over there who doesn’t want to be here is taking up all our salary cap.

personally I thinks it’s one of 2 scenarios.

1. Oliver is the one disgruntled and wanting to leave, in which case it will still happen. The meeting then would have been how to make Melbourne come out of it looking good and with pick 1.

2. They thought that by threatening Oliver with trading him that it would be the wake up call he needed to improve his attitude. He then called their bluff and everyone has been madly scrambling since. The meeting in that case was how to spin it so that the club looks like it’s in control of the situation.

Or 3 … Oliver is a crazy mutha and they don’t know what the hell is going on in his addled brainy bits - but really like how good at footy he is. They are just hanging on for the ride like the rest of us, completely unsure where it will end!!

 

[bonehilda]

“Pulled out” or he just chose the Hawks?

 

[Runnin Blue]

No chol

That tells me Oliver is still on!

 

[baldandbroke]

No chol

Confirmed. We are rolling the Oliver AND sweet sweet Chol money into another trade target … bigger fish, here we come.

 

[BRL121]

No chol

So now we're down to refusing the Himmelberg trade and keeping our meagre tall depth.
Pretty poor trade season here.

 

[relapse]

No chol

I knew the moment that Burgess announced that he was coming to Adelaide that Chol wasn't happening.

 

[baldandbroke]

So now we're down to refusing the Himmelberg trade and keeping our meagre tall depth.
Pretty poor trade season here.

Especially as the trade period hasn’t even started yet.

 

[relapse]

So now we're down to refusing the Himmelberg trade and keeping our meagre tall depth.
Pretty poor trade season here.

I am willing to bet that Himmelberg will still be traded

 

[feenix67]

Even if Oliver wants to leave, Melbourne don't have to trade him. That's the beauty of the contract, Melbourne can issue all the ultimatums, Oliver can call all those bluffs, then at the end of the day not trade him

It's happened before - Sydney with O'Keefe and Papley springs to mind. But more often than not, if a player doesn't want to be there the club tends to cut its losses.

 

[GROTTO]

Typical Crows, lose McAdam, Doedee and Berg and get nothing much back.

 

[BRL121]

I am willing to bet that Himmelberg will still be traded

Why? AFC has said that he won't be unless we get Chol.

 

[Danger in Texas]

I knew the moment that Burgess announced that he was coming to Adelaide that Chol wasn't happening.

Not sure that’s the case

Needed to generally add more talls to the list. Chol not coming tells me EH stays

 

[PeterSalt]

No chol

Interesting part further down in that article:

LEAGUE TO PONDER COMPENSATION CHANGES​

THE AFL is set to assess whether it begins to consider the length of a contract in its free agency compensation formula.​

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Currently, while a restricted free agent must be offered a minimum two-year deal to trigger free agency compensation, the final length of the contract is not a factor in deciphering which band is triggered.​

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It means that, hypothetically, a three-year deal activates the same band of free agency compensation as a five-year contract provided the financial terms across the offer are the same.​

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But, while it will not be introduced ahead of this year's free agency window that opens on Friday, the League is pondering whether the length of a contract becomes part of its formula in deciding free agency compensation in the future.​

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The AFL currently has a detailed points-based formula that decides free agency compensation, which considers a range of factors including the financial terms of the deal and the age of the player moving clubs among others.​

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Clubs losing players are made aware of the compensation being offered with 24 hours of a restricted free agency deal being lodged, with that package then made official if a choice is made not to match a rival club's bid.​

Clubs are not allowed to alter the terms of any restricted free agency deal throughout the life of its contract. – Riley Beveridge​

 

[jackster83]

I am willing to bet that Himmelberg will still be traded

Burgess is probably coming to replace him. We'll bring in someone else for defensive depth.

 

[baldandbroke]

Typical Crows, lose McAdam, Doedee and Berg and get nothing much back.

Here’s a radical thought … maybe wait until the trade period has finished (or started) before rating our trade period as complete failure?

 

[cleanhands]

That tells me Oliver is still on!

 

[Scorpus]

It's happened before - Sydney with O'Keefe and Papley springs to mind. But more often than not, if a player doesn't want to be there the club tends to cut its losses.

I think it's unlikely a club would cut their losses for one of the best players in the competition

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

“Pulled out” or he just chose the Hawks?

Pulled to save face maybe