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I think we keep Keane for 2025 no matter what, and make a decision then.

We could get a pick for him going, and get Petty for free.
I don’t think we’d get pick compensation for Keane if we let walk as a FA (assuming he was delisted by the Pies?), and then Petty comes in the door

Would be good to get clarification on if it’s a different scenario for retirees who come back
 
I think we keep Keane for 2025 no matter what, and make a decision then.

We could get a pick for him going, and get Petty for free.
Do we get a choice if he wants to go?
Is he even contracted past this year?
 

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If you’ve got any evidence to the contrary I’m all ears.
I’ll do it for you.

1) wright pumping up Murphy to get him a game, that was an opinion and wasn’t included in the info I shared with you, you can confirm
2) Curtin wouldn’t be playing as didn’t think suitable match up against Port, this you can confirm. Hence why I said it would be interesting where he played when he was selected. Second week in he’s subbed after not having a suitable match up and being exposed for his defending.
3) no idea
 
I think we keep Keane for 2025 no matter what, and make a decision then.

We could get a pick for him going, and get Petty for free.

Why keep him to then lose him at uncontracted value? Next year we’ll have Murray, Butts, Worrell, Borlase and Curtin to select our tall backs from. Unless you think we genuinely contend for a flag with him in 2025 but we won’t without him.
 
If you don’t understand that, you need to try a bit harder. A 24 year old in a new city with no family or friends outside work exploring moving somewhere that he knows he has a community. Whether the rumour is true or not, the concept itself makes perfect sense.
Disagree.
Firstly, the character of a man (not child) who is prepared to travel internationally twice for work opportunities suggests he's made of grit, determination, desire, effort and adventurism. The guy is showing all the traits of a young man prepared to "tackle the world" to achieve his personal goals.

Secondly, is the Irish community so different between Adelaide and Melbourne? How can Adelaide be such a hostile place for an Irish expatriate? Of all the cities in Australia, Adelaide has a UK culture and tradition as strong as any. Melbourne is more cosmopolitan due mainly to its size but I can't believe Adelaide can't satisfy the cultural wants of an Irish person.

Lastly, are you aware of any internal club mechanisms with regard player relocation? The AFC would have people employed for this sole purpose. Living arrangements, extra curricular activities, personal holistic development of each player brought into the club would be a deliberate and considered approach. Previously I was ITK at Geelong and the detail of each players day, weeks, months and living arrangements were planned out meticulously. All AFL clubs do this. Otherwise, they just set the players up to fail. And every recruit or draftee from outside their local neighbourhood would likely leave.

I might be wrong and I don't know Mark Keane. But it might also be true and if so, your "try harder" comment was little more than the shallowest of attacks on a situation where you haven't displayed much empathetic tendencies yourself.
 
How on earth do you blame the club for this one?? They had the balls to give him a 2 year contract based of limited game time last year. As previously mentioned, his connection to Collingwood is very strong, and trust me when i say his 'glam' missus is probably behind a fair bit of that. She probably made connections in what is a much larger Irish community in Melbourne, and if she's the socialite i think she is.

If he wants to go this year the Pies will have to pay for him, and whoever offers him a deal next year, if his form continues to rise, will have to fork out a decent contract, and that will result in a decent compensation pick for us. Keane has done very well this year, but we are stacked for talent in the backline, and letting him leave next year could potentially coincide with Petty coming into Free Agency.

No need to panic.
Yep the one thing that seems unfair to criticise the club is the culture of retaining players Nicks has built. Its VERY different to the 4-5 years where we lost Brackets Mc G, CC, Lever, Danger and friends.

whats fair compo if he wants out this year? Pies are often recent masters of bargain basement buys - Norm Smith Medalist for their 2nd rounder in their flag year, Lipinski (pick 43), Mitchell (2 picks after 41). Paid up for Schultz though with 1st rounder 2024.

Not sure we are as flushed for KPD and IMO Keane is only behind Murray. Already better and more upside than Butts and Borlase. Retention allows us to try Murray as a swingman and be that pack crashing forward who would scare the bejesus out of oppo defenders.

Surely we keep him unless we get overs. Lets be pricks like everyone is towards us and not cave on this one and then hopefully throw big bucks if needed next year to cover for his supposed MLB preference. Things could change next year especially if we have a good season. As I have said a trillion times unfortunately Adelaide the city is out biggest structural disadvantage long term for young players wanting a larger, vibrant metropolis. There's nothing we can do about it besides disproportionately drafting country lads from interstate or SA boys.
 
If you’ve got any evidence to the contrary I’m all ears.

You can walk back through the original thread.

Outlandish predictions - the best being Matty Wright was being forced by the club to lie about Murphy's SANFL performance so the club could justify his selection - then after they were 100% wrong there was suddenly a source and a secret group chat.
 

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You can walk back through the original thread.

Outlandish predictions - the best being Matty Wright was being forced by the club to lie about Murphy's SANFL performance so the club could justify his selection - then after they were 100% wrong there was suddenly a source and a secret group chat.
None of that is evidence though, we got the full story, doubt he’s going to post that in here though.
 
Why keep him to then lose him at uncontracted value? Next year we’ll have Murray, Butts, Worrell, Borlase and Curtin to select our tall backs from. Unless you think we genuinely contend for a flag with him in 2025 but we won’t without him.
Depends if we think we can change his mind by the time his contract is up
 
None of that is evidence though, we got the full story, doubt he’s going to post that in here though.

Can only speak from what happened.

He made that Murphy prediction which was wrong. Then claimed 100% that Curtin wouldn't play (and Murphy would) Once these two were completely wrong - he then said it was a source that gave him wrong info.

Then it was the ever elusive - its gonna be a big surprise where Curtin plays according to my contact - except it was the most obvious position and exactly where he was expected to play. 0-3 in my book.
 
I don’t think we’d get pick compensation for Keane if we let walk as a FA (assuming he was delisted by the Pies?), and then Petty comes in the door

Would be good to get clarification on if it’s a different scenario for retirees who come back
Why would Keane be a free agent? Are you thinking lifelong free agent due to delisting, like Stengle?
 
Why would Keane be a free agent? Are you thinking lifelong free agent due to delisting, like Stengle?
Yeah exactly

Would need to check if 1) Keane officially retired or was delisted, and 2) if a retirement doesn’t count towards lifelong free agency
 
Why keep him to then lose him at uncontracted value? Next year we’ll have Murray, Butts, Worrell, Borlase and Curtin to select our tall backs from. Unless you think we genuinely contend for a flag with him in 2025 but we won’t without him.
We'll get **** all for him contracted or uncontracted.

Might as well just keep him until his contract runs out and get another year of service out of him.
 
I’m emotional but there was one, the Ronald McDonald fella, but mostly because he was sprouting a whole lot of shit so hard to take him seriously, oh and there was Faith but he was a clear bullshit artist
Wasn't McDonald completely right though? He was the one saying all the "Daniel Curtin no matter what" stuff way before there was even a sniff of that happening.

Meanwhile you just sold your usual doom and gloom conjecture off as a rumour for the Port game. A "rumour" that was found to be so entirely and utterly wrong that it's almost like it never had any credibility to begin with.
 
Yep the one thing that seems unfair to criticise the club is the culture of retaining players Nicks has built. Its VERY different to the 4-5 years where we lost Brackets Mc G, CC, Lever, Danger and friends.

whats fair compo if he wants out this year? Pies are often recent masters of bargain basement buys - Norm Smith Medalist for their 2nd rounder in their flag year, Lipinski (pick 43), Mitchell (2 picks after 41). Paid up for Schultz though with 1st rounder 2024.

Not sure we are as flushed for KPD and IMO Keane is only behind Murray. Already better and more upside than Butts and Borlase. Retention allows us to try Murray as a swingman and be that pack crashing forward who would scare the bejesus out of oppo defenders.

Surely we keep him unless we get overs. Lets be pricks like everyone is towards us and not cave on this one and then hopefully throw big bucks if needed next year to cover for his supposed MLB preference. Things could change next year especially if we have a good season. As I have said a trillion times unfortunately Adelaide the city is out biggest structural disadvantage long term for young players wanting a larger, vibrant metropolis. There's nothing we can do about it besides disproportionately drafting country lads from interstate or SA boys.
Pies seem to have been fair at the trade table since Graham Wright has been there. They seem to target a player and get the trade done quickly with a minimum of fuss

I guess them losing Murphy to an early retirement has driven this?
 
Meanwhile you just sold your usual doom and gloom conjecture off as a rumour for the Port game. A "rumour" that was found to be so entirely and utterly wrong that it's almost like it never had any credibility to begin with.

HEY! Stop that. There was a super secret conversation that he disclosed in a previous discussion to other posters that justified him getting all those predictions wrong.
 
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