List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management discussion

[Big Sauce 21]

Payne was never a forward was he ? If he was could he go up front and if we get Doedee play him there instead.

 

[Thomasno]

Payne was never a forward was he ? If he was could he go up front and if we get Doedee play him there instead.

In the one quarter he played forward in the semi final vs the dogs I thought he was looking pretty good… got concussed though so sadly we never got to see the end of that experiment.

I’d back it though, especially if Gardiner stays fit

 

[Thomasno]

Anyone have an idea of our salary situation? I wouldn’t mind if we threw the kitchen sink at Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

 

[haystark]

Anyone have an idea of our salary situation? I wouldn’t mind if we threw the kitchen sink at Bailey Smith

He won't leave Victoria.

 

[Thomasno]

He won't leave Victoria.

May as well ask the question


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[dlanod]

May as well ask the question


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Everyone will ask the question. We just don't need to be shocked when he doesn't come because he says no.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Because we currently don’t have a ready to go replacement for him or WAshcroft next year.

And he’s still better than any potential replacements currently on our list.

Father Time might properly catch up to him next season, in which case Fage’s then makes the same call as he did with Rich this year.

Lohmann? Or if we want to add a taller forward or second ruck

 

[Happy_Neale]

Definitely need another big forward, contested marking just isn’t Hipwoods bag and Gunston isn’t the answer either IMO.

Thinking about yesterday, if we had another proper KPF up there they would have been playing on Hoskin-Elliot. Instead they got to play him on Rayner who didn’t do much at all.

 

[irish]

Fact is pies bottom 6 gave heaps more than ours, throw in some poor discipline poor umpiring , they deserved to win but with a lift from the non performers may have got us over the line . Pies were well coached and stuck to their plan , we were not , every panic generated mistake we made they punished us. Hopefully we will learn from this and hope it digs into their souls what an opportunity they missed because it’s back to the well to do it all over again !

For those who are up to the fight !

Go lions

 

[MSB ROYS]

You simply have to trade Hipwood. Barely improved in 10 years, flat tracker who has trade value to the desperados

Why? Losing McStay means that we especially need him. Key position players don't just fall out of the draft when you finish top 4 and into the team.

 

[KissKiss]

For all the criticism of Hipwood hes the second forward in the team. Look around the league at how many second forwards and how many goals+goal assists they provided. Hipwood was second behind Hawkins by just 3. Hipwood is statistically the second best second forward in the comp.

I did think in a weird way McStays contested marking was more valuable to keep than Hippy who is too similar a style to Joe. But I got all the reasons the trades happened. But yes it would be nice to have a great contested marker in the team, but they are incredibly rare

 

[M Malice]

Looking at our list in a cold non emotional level what could we do to maybe improve our list?

I do not doubt Jarrod Berry

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Jarrod Berry

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

's effort at all but his consistency is a worry, has too many down games for a player right in the prime of his career.

I would not be against trading him out if we could get good compensation in return, the only thing I would worry about is that he is an integral part of the culture we have built as a caring/family/loving club and him being traded out would really affect the mindset of the group.
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Love Zorks but I think it is time for him to pull up stumps and leave the possible flag to others.
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Gunston and Lyons to retire before they are OOC would be a good thing, if possible keep them on as VFL players in pseudo coaching roles.
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Shadeau Brain worth a go off half back in some early 2024 games, really liked the look of him there in reserves... Wilmot to wing/mid??
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OOC 2023 delist - Rhys Matheison, Nakia Cockatoo

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Nakia Cockatoo

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.1

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.1

5star

G

0.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.6

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.2

3star

, Blake Coleman.

 

[Nunez]

Looking at our list in a cold non emotional level what could we do to maybe improve our list?

I do not doubt Jarrod Berry's effort at all but his consistency is a worry, has too many down games for a player right in the prime of his career.

I would not be against trading him out if we could get good compensation in return, the only thing I would worry about is that he is an integral part of the culture we have built as a caring/family/loving club and him being traded out would really affect the mindset of the group.
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Love Zorks but I think it is time for him to pull up stumps and leave the possible flag to others.
________________________
Gunston and Lyons to retire before they are OOC would be a good thing, if possible keep them on as VFL players in pseudo coaching roles.
_________________________
Shadeau Brain worth a go off half back in some early 2024 games, really liked the look of him there in reserves... Wilmot to wing/mid??
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OOC 2023 delist - Rhys Matheison, Nakia Cockatoo, Blake Coleman.

If Brain keeps developing the way he was when moved to half back, I could easily see him get a strong run of games and allow Wilmot to move up the ground.

 

[martinson]

Why? Losing McStay means that we especially need him. Key position players don't just fall out of the draft when you finish top 4 and into the team.

Hipwood would've been fine if he'd just held on to some of the marks that he got into good position for. He tried hard and didn't exactly get silver service from the mids who were struggling to get clean possession.

 

[Squizz89]

Billings would be an interesting one if we again backed in the medical team to get a player fit. The guy has talent, he just doesn’t get out there enough. Seems like the sort of player we usually target and if he could get fit, I think he could help fill a troubled wing spot for us. Not sure on price etc though obviously.

 

[Squizz89]

Hipwood would've been fine if he'd just held on to some of the marks that he got into good position for. He tried hard and didn't exactly get silver service from the mids who were struggling to get clean possession.

Problem with Eric is he’s never really been a marking type, certainly not hands out in front/overhead type anyway. To his credit he has at least made more contests this year, which he needed to do along with Joey after losing Dan last year. We probably are a “contested mark type” player short but I’m not sure there’s any going unfortunately.

 

[McIvor]

For all the criticism of Hipwood hes the second forward in the team. Look around the league at how many second forwards and how many goals+goal assists they provided. Hipwood was second behind Hawkins by just 3. Hipwood is statistically the second best second forward in the comp.

I did think in a weird way McStays contested marking was more valuable to keep than Hippy who is too similar a style to Joe. But I got all the reasons the trades happened. But yes it would be nice to have a great contested marker in the team, but they are incredibly rare

I’ve always maintained that we should’ve stumped up for what McStay wanted, within reason of course and if it was purely monetary. If it wasn’t then nothing we could do, but if it was monetary, then what a mistake which I said at the time and many times throughout the year. I’d have sacrificed any one of our flankers or mids if it meant keeping a KPF that is consistent at the AFL level. I mean there are zero options available to bring one in when we had a bloody good one at the time. It’s even more idiotic that we let him leave now.

 

[McIvor]

Billings would be an interesting one if we again backed in the medical team to get a player fit. The guy has talent, he just doesn’t get out there enough. Seems like the sort of player we usually target and if he could get fit I think he could help fill a troubled wing spot for us. Not sure on price etc though obviously.

I’d take Shiel if we thought we could get his body run; he’s a jet when he’s up and going.

 

[martinson]

I’ve always maintained that we should’ve stumped up for what McStay wanted, within reason of course and if it was purely monetary. If it wasn’t then nothing we could do, but if it was monetary, then what a mistake which I said at the time and many times throughout the year. I’d have sacrificed any one of our flankers or mids if it meant keeping a KPF that is consistent at the AFL level. I mean there are zero options available to bring one in when we had a bloody good one at the time. It’s even more idiotic that we let him leave now.

We got Gunston. I don't think Dan was as crucial to our game as many seem to think but maybe he would've been handy yesterday.

 

[Tom14]

I’d take Shiel if we thought we could get his body run; he’s a jet when he’s up and going.

I couldn't handle watching him trying to kick. Genuinely one of the worst butchers of the footy you will ever see.

 

[Squizz89]

Looking at our list in a cold non emotional level what could we do to maybe improve our list?

I do not doubt Jarrod Berry's effort at all but his consistency is a worry, has too many down games for a player right in the prime of his career.

I would not be against trading him out if we could get good compensation in return, the only thing I would worry about is that he is an integral part of the culture we have built as a caring/family/loving club and him being traded out would really affect the mindset of the group.
________________________
Love Zorks but I think it is time for him to pull up stumps and leave the possible flag to others.
________________________
Gunston and Lyons to retire before they are OOC would be a good thing, if possible keep them on as VFL players in pseudo coaching roles.
_________________________
Shadeau Brain worth a go off half back in some early 2024 games, really liked the look of him there in reserves... Wilmot to wing/mid??
_________________________
OOC 2023 delist - Rhys Matheison, Nakia Cockatoo, Blake Coleman.

Berry is off contract next year isn’t he? I wonder if we get the same output from him next year the club starts to consider moving on themselves, although as you say I guess club culture needs to be weighed up in that scenario.

 

[cotter101]

We need to look at someone who can help Oscar in the ruck. I don’t think that answer is currently on our list.

I thought it was pretty evident the pies were trying to tire him early and Cox/Cameron were able to keep him without a mark.

 

[martinson]

We need to look at someone who can help Oscar in the ruck. I don’t think that answer is currently on our list.

I thought it was pretty evident the pies were trying to tire him early and Cox/Cameron were able to keep him without a mark.

We've got Fort ?

 

[3KZ is Football]

Looking at our list in a cold non emotional level what could we do to maybe improve our list?

I do not doubt Jarrod Berry's effort at all but his consistency is a worry, has too many down games for a player right in the prime of his career.

I agree. We should be open to trading Berry. We should also look at moving Rayner on. He has just finished his sixth season, played 113 games and he is still to demonstrate any consistency as a player, as he continues to simply disappear during games. After more than six years in the system, we shouldn’t be ‘hoping’ Rayner has a big preseason which will magically improve his ability to run games out. If Rayner hasn’t built his running capacity to what is required at the elite level by now, he never will.

 

[M Malice]

I agree. We should be open to trading Berry. We should also look at moving Rayner on. He has just finished his sixth season, played 113 games and he is still to demonstrate any consistency as a player, as he continues to simply disappear during games. After more than six years in the system, we shouldn’t be ‘hoping’ Rayner has a big preseason which will magically improve his ability to run games out. If Rayner hasn’t built his running capacity to what is required at the elite level by now, he never will.

I nearly mentioned Cam as well in that post you quoted, I still (maybe naively) have hope Cam will breakout.

Do you worry about the affect it could have on the playing group like I do 3KZ?

Berry and Rayner are very close to the hub of the wheel that is our "culture/vibe" IMO.