List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Order, aka Future Picks

Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

 

[giantroo]

 

[Makeshift Park]

[new scene, tracking shot]

Jy is wearing ledehosen as we walks uneasily through a crowd of busty Bavarian women, struggling to balance a very large tray of foamy Steiner glasses.

As he approaches his table, suddenly his phone starts ringing in his back pocket.

He glances backwards, unable to take the call.

LDU, Comben and Archer drunkenly cha-cha with some locals in the background.

[Cut scene to Arden St]

Todd Viney sits alone in a darkened office, holds a phone pensively against one ear.

An awkward moment passes.

[cue: curb your enthusiasm soundtrack]

 

[speedy]

Salary dump for water closet

Is this a fanciful bigfooty thing or generated elswhere?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I don't mind it if it helps us get Reid but also keep draft capital.

This is true, there are surely wheels within wheels regarding Darling talks.

 

[Shermanator]

I'll go out on a limb here

He either kicks 40 goals in our fwd line next year or provides mature enough a body that Larkey goes close to replicating his 2023

I’ll also go out on a limb here.

Some of my friends and family (WCE supporters) have said for years with his speed & strength he could be the perfect CHB but they’ve always had A-grade KPB’s so never needed to trial him there.

If we got him really cheap, I would jump at the chance to trial him and Chom at CHB during the preseason games and whoever is the most effective give them CHB for the rest of the year.. put the other at CHF

 

[Skarrz]

If there was a way to get Reid and C Oliver I wouldn’t really mind what the club does. If it’s one or the other surely you go with Reid

 

[Sphynx]

Oliver averaged 9 clearances a game, 6 tackles and was the #2 pressure player in the entire comp in 2022.

He won back to back AFLCA awards in 2021 and 2022. The only other player to win consecutive awards is GAJ.

You are talking about not only the best contested ball winner in the league, but also one of the best defensive midfielders in the league also with his tackling and pressure around stoppage.

He's basically everything we'd want Wardlaw to become from a statistical stand point.

To put that in perspective, in Cunners best season he averaged 7.6 clearances per game. Oliver is a 15% better clearance midfielder than Cunners at his best, who is top 15 all time.

 

[blackshadow]

This is true, there are surely wheels within wheels regarding Darling talks.

 

[DesertRoo]

[new scene, tracking shot]

Jy is wearing ledehosen as we walks uneasily through a crowd of busty Bavarian women, struggling to balance a very large tray of foamy Steiner glasses.

As he approaches his table, suddenly his phone starts ringing in his back pocket.

He glances backwards, unable to take the call.

LDU, Comben and Archer drunkenly cha-cha with some locals in the background.

[Cut scene to Arden St]

Todd Viney sits alone in a darkened office, holds a phone pensively against one ear.

An awkward moment passes.

[cue: curb your enthusiasm soundtrack]

Todd Viney: So Jye, mid year when you said you’re actively going out to recruit players, did that include dropping a pound of meth off at clareys house?

 

[speedy]

Why are people so convinced Reid is a generational type talent? Same was said about Judas.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Clayton Oliver would be our best mid by a country mile. He’s a top 5 player in the comp when up and running.

our midfield is sub par for now and needs addition to,

At the cost of what Oliver will be it’s not worth it, dollars or draft capital. Nothing to do with personality - you end down up the Brad Scott school of choir boys

Huh? At the start of last season, LDU while at the peak of his powers was ranked the #1 midfielder in the comp.

 

[Chadwiko]

Clayton Oliver would be our best mid by a country mile.

I genuinely rate LDU over Oliver, and LDU is 2.5 years younger.

 

[DocSholl]

Oliver averaged 9 clearances a game, 6 tackles and was the #2 pressure player in the entire comp in 2022.

You are talking about not only the best contested ball winner in the league, but also one of the best defensive midfielders in the league also with his tackling and pressure around stoppage.

He's basically everything we'd want Wardlaw to become from a statistical stand point.

To put that in perspective, in Cunners best season he averaged 7.6 clearances per game. Oliver is a 15% better clearance midfielder than Cunners, who is top 15 all time.

Hence why it'd be massive buyer beware if they were prepared to trade him

 

[Roo202]

My absolute non-expert opinion on Oliver.

Firstly, if he really is available that means there are lots of red flags, if there weren't, no way he would be available, it might be a combo of broader salary cap/need a key forward problem as well, but if they're prepared to let him go, buyer beware.

But to me, even if he passed all the tests and we could be sure we were getting him at his best, I'm still not sure it is right for us. He is peaking right now, we are a few years away. We need the players we convert this year's draft assets into to be peaking when we are. Oliver at his best would undoubtably make us instantly better, if he came low cost, great, but the idea of trading away pick 2 or 3 and perhaps more, I'd hope we don't.

If they got him at his best, could be an amazing pick up for a club moving into the window now, but for us, I reckon he'd be starting to fade, just as we were entering our window (and the talent from this year's draft was hitting their peak)

 

[Sphynx]

Hence why it'd be massive buyer beware if they were prepared to trade him

It all depends on the cost.

If we can trade for him and maintain a massive draft hand, we simply have to be involved (if he passes all the interviews and tests....)


Before people jump at shadows about availability.

Jordan De Goey was available 2 years ago and toured St Kilda.

Dustin Martin toured GWS' facility and was available prior to winning 3 x Norm Smiths.

 

[Chadwiko]

Jack Darling

28

Jack Darling

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

is a locker-room cancer.

Avoid.

 

[The b shart]

Big no to Oliver, get Reid or take 2 & 3 to the draft. And get GC's pick.

Stay the course.

What of we can get Oliver and keep 2 and 3?

 

[Sphynx]

My absolute non-expert opinion on Oliver.

Firstly, if he really is available that means there are lots of red flags, if there weren't, no way he would be available, it might be a combo of broader salary cap/need a key forward problem as well, but if they're prepared to let him go, buyer beware.

But to me, even if he passed all the tests and we could be sure we were getting him at his best, I'm still not sure it is right for us. He is peaking right now, we are a few years away. We need the players we convert this year's draft assets into to be peaking when we are. Oliver at his best would undoubtably make us instantly better, if he came low cost, great, but the idea of trading away pick 2 or 3 and perhaps more, I'd hope we don't.

If they got him at his best, could be an amazing pick up for a club moving into the window now, but for us, I reckon he'd be starting to fade, just as we were entering our window (and the talent from this year's draft was hitting their peak)

The play would have to be get GC pick 4 and keep 2 & 3.

I really don't see a universe in which NMFC with a fully fit LDU, Oliver and Larkey doesn't win 7+ games of football next season.

He'd have that much of an impact at his best.

LDU and Oliver (along with Wardlaw, Thomas, Phillips and potentially McKercher) is not a midfield that finishes in the bottom 4.

In fact, I'd go the whole hog and ask Melbourne for the cost of Oliver AND Grundy given these developments.

 

[Disco Dew]

The Darling talk doesn't actually have any legs does it? It was some fake trade twitter page that mentioned it right? I haven't seen it anywhere else, but we're running it with it in here?

 

[Passmore]

Melbourne are prepared to trade their most important player at 26 whilst in the middle of a premiership window, and some aren't seeing the issue here?

Good God.



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[Del191229]

I think I have missed something. How does he help us get Reid?
He will be 32 next year, has fallen off a cliff and is contracted to 2025.

Salary dump - aka we take on Darling rather than give them a/nother draft pick with 2 to get to pick 1.

 

[Sphynx]

Melbourne are prepared to trade their most important player at 26 whilst in the middle of a premiership window, and some aren't seeing the issue here?

Good God.



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Everyone see's the issue.

But it's risk vs reward isn't it?

For every Ben Cousins there's Dustin Martin and Jordan De Goey.

 

[speedy]

God I hope this doesn't turn into 100 pages of potential Clayton Oliver

13

Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

trades. Talk about a futile exercise.

 

[Harris 10]

Jack Darling hey

I'm trying to catch up, where did the Darling talk come from?

 

[shinboner magic]

We l know pies winning the flag that either bluws/* will panic and go get Oliver