List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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[zoomba23]

Got the day off so been listening to a fair bit of a trade radio today. * it's brutal with all the advertising. Too much, I'll just get all my updates from this thread from now on.

Fanciful bullshit without ads > fanciful bullshit with ads.

A wise decision

 

[TruRoos7]

I remember Crows supporters thought they were gunna get picks 1 and 2 because of his compo. Eerily familiar

Don’t rain on our parade please, let us live the dream of having pick 2 AND 3 for a few more hours..

 

[Samsquanch]

What was his BigFooty account? There used to be somebody called TheZiebell but I haven't seen or heard of him for ages.

 

[zoomba23]

Can someone please tell me why we are not looking to pick up Riley Bonner for nothing/cheap?

He offers something we can use, off half back or on a wing when sheils slows down.

I don't mean to be rude but we've had this weird obsession with players like him for years, and it's cost us dearly. He basically needs a stairlift to get from point A to point B

 

[ferball]

Does that help with boredom?

Probably.

 

[Harris 10]

Can someone please tell me why we are not looking to pick up Riley Bonner for nothing/cheap?

He offers something we can use, off half back or on a wing when sheils slows down.

He's a massive upgrade on Turner and as a DFA he's free.
He's not exactly hard, but can kick a footy.

If having him off half back releases Sheez until we can develop or find something better then i'd give it a go. Just need to wait and see what other options are avialable first.

 

[krakouers]

He basically needs a stairmaster to get from point A to point B

We all see ourselves in our favorite players... but that's how I see my movement on a football field

 

[ferball]

Looks like Drury has had a significant growth spurt so he might be the [big] man to solve our KP dilemma....

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Its an above waist shot so you can't see the box he is standing on.

 

[ferball]

took it above his waist to hide the milk crate

snap

 

[ferball]

When Crouch left the Crows I thought there was a lot of back and forth between all parties to work out what compo it would be, maybe my memory is bad.

That sounds familiar.

 

[Petrie4PM]

He's a massive upgrade on Turner and as a DFA he's free.
He's not exactly hard, but can kick a footy.

If having him off half back releases Sheez until we can develop or find something better then i'd give it a go. Just need to wait and see what other options are avialable first.

Agree. I would rather see if a fresh start can reignite bonner over keeping turner.

 

[ferball]

What would we pay for a Jamarra Ugle-Hagan?

Pick 19 this year and next?

 

[Tas]

Can someone please tell me why we are not looking to pick up Riley Bonner

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Riley Bonner

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

12.1

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.4

3star

MG

279.8

4star

D

12.3

3star

K

10.3

4star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

279.8

4star

D

21.4

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.0

4star

for nothing/cheap?

He offers something we can use, off half back or on a wing when sheils slows down.

That ship has sailed, hit an iceberg and sunk to the bottom of the ocean.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Why would GC take that deal over 10, 17 and F1 from the Dogs? They don't just want points this year. They have academy kids next year.

I think there's only one that's being talked up as a certain first rounder. I could be wrong.

 

[krakouers]

Pick 19 this year and next?

No way they would accept that...

 

[Liam Boy]

I can't remember who it was but Bonar has showed some ability to play on KPFs who were significantly bigger than him. The real issue with Bonar is that he is made of tissue paper.

He gets beaten in every contest when he's playing against a key forward-sized key forward. Often he makes you think "oh gee he did ok there" because he almost competes in a matchup he has absolutely no chance of winning. But this is not a reason to keep him on the list to cover our key defender deficiency, because he just isn't one.

 

[giantroo]

What would we pay for a Jamarra Ugle-Hagan?

I would trade Pick 2 for him.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Harris 10]

I would trade Pick 2 for him.

And more, I think he's tracking to be the best key forward in the comp by 2025.

 

[krakouers]

Pick 2.

I thought he was contracted until 2025...
But only for another year... id look to get him for a slightly high cost.. Pick 2 is probably a pick too far

 

[DarkPhoenix]

It later says compensation is based on the player's average salary. Are they contradictory, or am I reading it wrong?

You're reading it wrong.

What they're saying is they rank all the contracts from Top 1-100%

They then take the free agents offered contract and average the wage across the total years.
i.e someone on 800, 700, 600, 500, 400 over 5 years is considered the same as a player on 600k for 5 years.

They then check where that contract would slot into the 1-100 for the year and assign compo accordingly.

 

[Psicosis]

Good for us IMO. Now they only have Pick 1, 20 & Brockman coming in the door. As we have seen with our club, it's nowhere near enough & they'll want more picks.

 

[Merlin007]

I don't really think this is accurate. Losing Maj before the 2019 season started is a sliding door that and we'll never see what would have happened if he'd been healthy and played in 2019. I think we could have been a better side than we were in 2015-16 after that. We didn't defy expectations in 2018 because we were a side full of spuds, it was because we got value out of our players in ways we hadn't beforehand.

I guess part of the issue that year was our reliance on Ben Jacobs, who lost a career to the failure of umpires to protect players. But aside from that our post Brad season in 2019 was alot better than anything since and that was with his players and game plan. If Maj was there too and the trauma of his issues hadn't happened to him (and the rest of the side) then we'd have been stronger that year.

I'm glad Brad's gone and I think where we are now is a good place to build from (better than we'd have ever had otherwise,) but there were some very average sides dominate in that 2018 - 2020 period. Its one of those things we'll never know I guess. I think it was worth a shot until the end of 2020 (from a post 2016 perspective, not knowing covid or Maj's thing would happen.)

I also think Scott had flaws as a coach that would have probably prevented us winning a flag but I'm not 100% on that. Either way we'd be in about the same position now having just bottomed out.

But we might not have Clarko, Sheeze and Warlord. Or Will Phillips who i think will prove to be a gun player.

mmm, well I'm not sure the circumstances surrounding Maj influence the point I'm making - Brad Scott was allowed a second attempt at a "top up" strategy, which - with Polec, Hall, Pittard and Tyson - was a whole lot less successful than the first iteration (with Waite, del Santo, Higgins).

From a governance point of view, I'm always 'once bitten, twice shy', and a strong board would have gone with a fresh face and a different, draft-based approach

Anyway, doesn't matter now - as you say, we are where we are

 

[Sphynx]

Shame.

 

[big_e]

You're reading it wrong.

What they're saying is they rank all the contracts from Top 1-100%

They then take the free agents offered contract and average the wage across the total years.
i.e someone on 800, 700, 600, 500, 400 over 5 years is considered the same as a player on 600k for 5 years.

They then check where that contract would slot into the 1-100 for the year and assign compo accordingly.

Yeah, OK.

Cheers.