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[justroyal]

I just realised he started that article with

ANOTHER top five pick.

What a piece of shit. Does he have a short memory about our 2010’s?

 

[Its a Process]

The hypocrisy is just too much to handle.

Suns bad - give them pick 2 and pre draft access to kids from their zones and NT.
Nth bad - the entire AFL community implodes about 1 kid potentially being available for a matched bid.....

Just give us pick 4 instead and we can draft him with that pick.......or, give us nothing and say we are done with compromised drafts and do away with all academy selections, father and son selections and any future assistance for struggling Clubs.

 

[Shermanator]

Trade wrap: Saint’s next move, Crows baulk at McAdam to Dees​

Jon Ralph

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Hunter Clark is moving towards a new deal at St Kilda despite last year’s aborted trade.

The Saints were happy to trade him to North Melbourne when they were in the race for Jordan De Goey to clear cap space, but kept him when the Pies free agent re-signed.

But after a solid season dodging the major injury issues that have plagued his career negotiations are continuing for a new deal.

He has been on excellent money as a top-10 draft pick finishing his sixth season, but a new deal will allow him to continue his resurgence after a career-high 19 games this year.

St Kilda delisted Jack Bytel, Leo Connolly, Jack Peris and Oscar Adams during the week, with Jack Billings contracted but having only modest interest from rivals.

If he did leave it would likely be for a very late pick given his $1 million of salary due in the next two years, unless the Saints picked up some of that tab.

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SYDNEY is still in the race for free agent Ben McKay but has locked away defender Lewis Melican on a new one-year deal as it shores up its back six.

The talented Melican battled hamstring issues again this season but returned for the final against Carlton in a sign of how much the club values him.

The Swans held up well against Carlton’s talented forward line and while they are keen on McKay there is a feeling Essendon’s significant offer has put them behind in the race.

This masthead reported this week Essendon had emerged as the favourite given their willingness to pay him a significant amount on a long-term deal to help ease their defensive woes.

If they miss out on McKay there are other options on the trade table including St Kilda’s Dougal Howard but in Tom McCartin, Dayne Rampe and Melican they could hold up for another season.

Sydney had an offer on the table for most of the season for the departing Dylan Stephens, who was a No. 5 draft pick but has played only 43 games in four years at the Swans.

He is set to arrive at North Melbourne for an improved long-term offer.

North Melbourne is keen to find another wingman but Stephens did only average 13 possessions and ranked below average for disposals, clearances and scoreboard impact and average for kicking and metres gained.

Against the Roos in round 10 he had only nine possessions in 85 minutes of game time so North Melbourne clearly believe he has significant upside.
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ADELAIDE has no interest in trading Shane McAdam for Demons depth players James Harmes or Adam Tomlinson given their hefty salaries.

McAdam wants to be traded only to the Demons, having knocked back a three-year deal from the Crows.

The Crows would be interested in a trade for a player given they already have three top-23 draft picks — their own first-rounder and second-rounders linked to North Melbourne (pick 20) and Gold Coast (pick 23).

So the Crows might eventually settle on a Demons player of interest but despite needing key defensive depth they aren’t a taker for Tomlinson.

He has one more year left on a deal worth over $500,000, while Harmes will be in the final season of a five-year extension signed when he finished fourth in the best-and-fairest.

Expect the Crows to play hard ball given McAdam is a point-of-difference forward who finished seventh in the club’s best-and-fairest in 2020 and 2022.

ADELAIDE defender Tom Doedee is seriously considering a long-term deal from Brisbane as the Crows prepare for him to have medical tests with rival clubs as they assess his ruptured ACL.

This mastheads revealed last month the Crows had pulled a long-term free agency deal after Doedee’s ACL tear then replaced it with a significantly reduced deal.

Clubs like Brisbane are keen but given he tore his ACL in round 12 would want to be confident he could return early next year to make an impact in the 2024 season.

Adelaide is searching for key backs and has some interest in the delisted Tim O’Brien as well as Suns tall Chris Burgess, who can play back despite kicking 51 goals in 17 home-and-away games in the VFL.

But Adelaide have clearly offered Doedee a deal he can well and truly refuse as he looks for long-term certainty.

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ESSENDON is still making mid-season pick Massimo D’Ambrosio sweat on a new deal after turning him into a super sub in the second half of the season.

The swift left-footer played eight games for the year but in round 9 was subbed out after nine disposals.

In his four games after that contest he played 29 minutes, 22 minutes, 33 minutes and 16 minutes.

So while the Dons signed Jy Menzie this week he will have to wait alongside Patrick Voss, a strong-bodied forward who impressed in the VFL but didn’t get a senior game.

HAWTHORN has offered 23-year-old forward Jacob Koschitzke another deal as it considers the future of Fergus Greene, Jai Serong, Emerson Jeka and Ned Long.

The Hawks could consider offers for top-10 pick Denver Grainger-Barras and will trade Tyler Brockman to West Coast.

But with Mitch Lewis battling ACL damage then a mid-foot sprain it was apparent how bereft their forward line was at times when their key forward was missing.

So while Koschitzke only kicked nine goals in 12 games — much quieter than his breakout 2021 season kicking 27 goals from 20 games — he is a required player.

No word yet on whether rivals have interest but there is a clear chance for him to establish himself as the foil to Lewis.

The Hawks are still in the race for North Melbourne free agent Ben McKay, and have Josh Morris and Lachie Bramble uncontracted alongside Green, Serong, Long and Jeka.

Greene kicked 15 goals in 10 games so would be hopeful of another one-year deal, while Jeka was a much-hyped forward but after being trialled as a key back late in 2022 didn’t play a senior game this year.


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DEV Robertson’s strong form in the back half of the season has him more likely to remain with the Lions on a new deal.

Brisbane mid-forward Robertson has interest from West Coast in a year in which he went viral after his scrap with Pies rivals saw him running around shirtless for several minutes.

Robertson is seen as extremely loyal to the Lions and enjoys Brisbane so while he is undecided he is favouring signing a new one or two-year deal.

Brisbane has an array of young midfield talent only set to improve next year when Will Ashcroft’s brother Levi joins the club as a father-son.

But it would be hard to leave perennial contenders Brisbane for the hapless Eagles.


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NEW Gold Coast coach Damien Hardwick will watch the club’s VFL preliminary final this weekend as Mabior Chol, Jeremy Sharp and Chris Burgess consider their futures.

Wingman Sharp was on the outer with Stuart Dew, with Chol contracted and keen to stay as another player who was not a huge fan of the former coach given he had been pushed out of the side.

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So Sharp will hope to make every post a winner in the VFL preliminary final against the Box Hill Hawks on the Gold Coast to secure a new deal.

Talent spotters say the pipeline of talent set to flow from the Suns’ academy won’t stop at the four players who could be taken within pick 30 this year.

The AFL Under-16 academy series this year on the Gold Coast featuring players eligible for the 2025 draft had at least four Suns players who look to be elite talents.

Thanks for expanding all these articles for us GR, you're a bloody jet!

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I hope our delegation at that AFL meeting strongly reinforced their view that the McKay compensation has absolutely nothing to do with the assistance package we are requesting. We have the worst defence in the AFL and are losing our only decent big bodied key position defender who apparently is good enough to be chased by at least three other clubs. We've won 10 of our last 81 games FFS! They need to come up with something far more substantial than the crappy 2022 package.

I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with our assistance package. I would frame it as another reason why we need greater assistance.

Losing McKay is a setback for the development of our list and our team becoming more competitive. Having key players leaving the Gold Coast every year was one of the reasons given as to why they received the significant assistance they did. If our onfield results continue the way they are, it is reasonable to assume that more players will start looking elsewhere and we will never get out of the position we're in.

Therefore we need a robust package over a 2 - 3 year period that allows us to attract ready made players but also allows us more access to top end talent for the future.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

Shall we just name a couple from recent years... lever May Cameron Neale dawson rankine


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Melbourne had finished 9th and 4th in the two years before Lever and May arrived. The rest were returning home except for Neale.

I do appreciate that you think my attitude on Big Footy would have any impact on potential recruits. I didn't know my opinions travelled that far.

 

[r00boy96]

If we win a premiership with butt**** all assistance from the AFL it will be so sweet. All recent premiers have been given handouts.

 

[Flawed Genius]

I speak 9 languages but I don't understand this

The shorter version is the club has done **** all with its NGA Academy and we missed this one. Simples

 

[Disco Dew]

Hunter Clark is moving towards a new deal at St Kilda despite last year’s aborted trade.

But Steveroo or whoever he is said he's coming to North...

 

[andana]

The shorter version is the club has done **** all with its NGA Academy and we missed this one. Simples

Unprofessional or what.

The two perth franchises have averaging 40 each year. Much different obviously but even so

 

[big_e]

It's not an attitude, it's a fact. Players prefer to go to teams in contention so we're going to struggle to get quality players in.

Players move or stay for all sorts of reasons.

 

[Roosurgence]

The shorter version is the club has done **** all with its NGA Academy and we missed this one. Simples

But let’s be honest, what incentive is ther for the club to invest in an Academy that going forward any players are going to be gobbled up by the incoming Tassie Team.

Here North invest time and resources into something so Tassie can benefit.

Let’s face it. The whole NGA system is reaching levels of farce and needs to be massively overhauled. Some clubs are handed talent rich zones, while others are given areas that yield **** all.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

But Steveroo or whoever he is said he's coming to North...

He'll get one right eventually.

 

[Disco Dew]

He'll get one right eventually.

 

[Only Forwards]

Sigh, the “fine line” of not disadvantaging other clubs that hasn’t been much of an issue until now.

I‘ve decided there’s no point trying to guess how this will go or investing energy in anyone else’s guesses. Time will tell.

We are gonna take at least a couple of kids from the first round of this draft. Which is going to continue to drive us forward. Anything more than that is going nice but we are starting from a higher base than we have at any time prior to 2020.

Honestly November 23 is the day.

It is the furthest point from drafting or trading and our 24 list will be pretty much settled.

 

[New_Roo]

Melbourne had finished 9th and 4th in the two years before Lever and May arrived. The rest were returning home except for Neale.

I do appreciate that you think my attitude on Big Footy would have any impact on potential recruits. I didn't know my opinions travelled that far.

No fortunately your negativity isn't shared by many on here and particularly within in the club. I was pointing out that there are plenty of other factors that encourage players to move, not just wanting to play for a team in the top 4....

Not sure Cameron was heading home...

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[King Corey]

Brisbane mid-forward Robertson has interest from West Coast in a year in which he went viral after his scrap with Pies rivals saw him running around shirtless for several minutes.

For those playing at home:

Yes it's 2023.

Yes you actually just read that.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Sigh, the “fine line” of not disadvantaging other clubs that hasn’t been much of an issue until now.

I‘ve decided there’s no point trying to guess how this will go or investing energy in anyone else’s guesses. Time will tell.

It’s never once been an issue until it’s us that needs a helping hand.

 

[Hazey1977]

Unprofessional or what.

The two perth franchises have averaging 40 each year. Much different obviously but even so

I hear we lost at least 1 girl as well. Club assumed she'd just nominate and didn't make contact until the week before the draft. She ended up at GC I believe.

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[pupstar]

I wouldn't call us shite... we are developing and have a lot of quality 25 and under.... players can see that and coupled with the Clarko/viney partnership there are players that want to be part of it


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Finally, someone agrees with me. Way to many posters call us shite on here. G ood work New-Roo

 

[spurs]

Not getting Clark is disappointing but whatever.

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Not getting Clark is disappointing but whatever.

Blessing in disguise. It will only be a few seasons before he'll be pushed out of our starting team anyway.

 

[rippersnipper]

Not getting Clark is disappointing but whatever.

Seems quite a few Saints fans want rid so probably a good thing really

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Blessing in disguise. It will only be a few seasons before he'll be pushed out of our starting team anyway.

Slow, lacks intensity, hasn’t nailed down a position.

Pass.

 

[Shinboner1]

Not getting Clark is disappointing but whatever.

Paying up for a player who's not even best 22?

 

[New_Roo]

Paying up for a player who's not even best 22?

Best 22 for who... he was in a finals team last weekend


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