List Mgmt. 2023 Trade & List Management Thread II - Goldy&Bucket➡️✅/'24 EoFR & #44➡️Stephens&#25✅/#21&#25➡️Fisher&#17✅/'24 EoFR➡️#18✅

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Order, aka Future Picks

Spoiler: Blue Tick Rumours

 

[Scottroo]

is Dodo waiting for trade week to start so he can trade out pick 8 for a couple of high teen picks?

Will then offer one of those for Mckay when the deal they offer only triggers band 2?

 

[Moti]

Not worried about the backline, if we can show in 2024 that our midfield and forward line are heading towards the better teams, we can surely find a KP defender in the next trade period who wants to ride the wave.

 

[Moti]

While Bonar is still on our list we are going nowhere as a club.

He will not get a game unless we have 10+
Injuries.

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He must have some power over the other 42 players then. Is it magic?

 

[KekiRoo]

Surely I'm not the only one who's happy for us to keep 2 & 3? Likewise I'm happy to keep 14 & 19 too and pick up any potential sliders, but wouldn't be fussed if these get packaged up to move up.

Over the years I think we've all wanted to have a swathe of early draft picks. We now have them and I don't get why we'd want to dilute that?

I get quality is better than quantity but we have quantity of quality which is best of all IMO.

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

On the assumption that if we want to get pick 5 from GC we would have to beat the Dogs offer of 10, 17 and their F1st and also assuming we get pick 3 for McKay and are looking at pick 1 as well. We will have to pay significant overs to get pick 1 and 5. Personally taking 2, 3 14 and 19 to the draft and trying to trade out the 2 fPP's for another pick in this draft would be the best strategy.

However looking at how we could get that deal done I think GC would take 14, 20 from WC, FPP 19, FPP 20.

I think WC would want picks 2 & 3 but would have to give up a bit more on top of just pick 1 this year.

WC
Out: 1, 20, F2
In: 2, 3, F3 GC

GC
Out: 5, 45, F3
In: 14, 20, FPP 19, FPP 20

NM
Out: 2, 3, 14, FPP 19, FPP 20
In: 1, 5, 45, F2 WC

I think that's a fair deal for WC and GC but we lose too much in that trade. I can't see a deal happening for those picks where we don't give up more. The only way I could justify it is the 2 FPP's are a free hit and we have to trade them. I think we could get more for them BUT in that deal they get us Reid and another to 6 pick, after academy bids.

Given that we already have two picks in the top 4 its a big gamble and Reid would want to be a very very good player.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

Check the tweets.

Don't have twitter.

 

[Only Forwards]

It’s a pity that they chose the Preacher to name themselves after



But I suppose the trade assface doesn’t have the same ring to it.

 

[kool kangas]

Surely I'm not the only one who's happy for us to keep 2 & 3? Likewise I'm happy to keep 14 & 19 too and pick up any potential sliders, but wouldn't be fussed if these get packaged up to move up.

Over the years I think we've all wanted to have a swathe of early draft picks. We now have them and I don't get why we'd want to dilute that?

I get quality is better than quantity but we have quantity of quality which is best of all IMO.

The other thing is that there is less likelyhood of all the players you get in being injured all at the same time, whereas if you only have 1top player and he gets injured then we are stuffed

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

Check the tweets.

WOW he seems legit

 

[Moti]

Surely I'm not the only one who's happy for us to keep 2 & 3? Likewise I'm happy to keep 14 & 19 too and pick up any potential sliders, but wouldn't be fussed if these get packaged up to move up.

Over the years I think we've all wanted to have a swathe of early draft picks. We now have them and I don't get why we'd want to dilute that?

I get quality is better than quantity but we have quantity of quality which is best of all IMO.

Happy to keep, happy to use to achieve something else. Unless we can get a top 6 pick this year, I would like to get another 1st pick next year for some trade flexibility. If we can get this midfield and forward line working in 2024, with the cash reserves we should be able to use it to get key pieces, but only if we look like we are on the up.

 

[Tas]

With L-Mac I honestly don't think he's a 1 on 1 defender.

I feel like when he's played his best football has been as a defensive winger/sweeper and can also drift down as a spare in defense as well as he actually reads the flight of the ball quite well. loose rebounder before 6-6-6.

He's too slow/not physically strong enough to be an actual defender as he gets beaten on the lead as he's a yard short of pace and also not strong enough to hold his ground or overwhelm his opponent physically so he's always going to get caught out and look in no mans land.

Did some minor editing on the first two parts.

He makes too many rookie defender mistakes and doesn't learn from his errors, which makes for a bad defender. His 95% okay, it is the 5% that sticks out like dogs balls. He will just cough up some goals on a regular basis that you should only ever tolerate from a rookie. All defenders are going to get beaten at times, all have bad days, but when you play on dangerous smaller forwards and you don't keep yourself between the goal and your man at all times then it is an inevitability that you are going to leak some soft goals.

We need to remove the rookie errors and soft goals from our back six, if you concede 1-3 preventable goals a game and all 6 of our defenders do that then we have lost the game before it has even started... which is why we have been bottom 2 for four years, we don't have the offensive firepower to kick a score high enough to overcome both what the opposition score on merit and what we concede through error.

 

[Harris 10]

R2 picks are already out to about 40 with compo picks.

I’m so glad we don’t have a compromised draft

 

[Tas]

is Dodo waiting for trade week to start so he can trade out pick 8 for a couple of high teen picks?

Will then offer one of those for Mckay when the deal they offer only triggers band 2?

Essendon should fire him on the spot if his plan is to trade for McKay who is a restricted free agent, it would be a disservice to their own club.

My guess is they are trying to get rid of Shiel so they can do the Gresham deal before they figure out how much they can commit for McKay.

 

[JGreezy]

is Dodo waiting for trade week to start so he can trade out pick 8 for a couple of high teen picks?

Will then offer one of those for Mckay when the deal they offer only triggers band 2?

So instead of moving his pick from 8 to 9 by paying band 1, he would be moving the pick from 8 to ~16 by splitting it and giving us half of that?

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Surely I'm not the only one who's happy for us to keep 2 & 3? Likewise I'm happy to keep 14 & 19 too and pick up any potential sliders, but wouldn't be fussed if these get packaged up to move up.

Over the years I think we've all wanted to have a swathe of early draft picks. We now have them and I don't get why we'd want to dilute that?

I get quality is better than quantity but we have quantity of quality which is best of all IMO.

I think your view is widely shared on here - for exactly the reasons you mention.

2,3,14,19 plus turning the 2024 assistant picks into a pick in the low teens this year would give us the opportunity to own this draft and fill a number of holes in our list.

 

[ExorcismOfArdenStreet]

Did some minor editing on the first two parts.

He makes too many rookie defender mistakes and doesn't learn from his errors, which makes for a bad defender. His 95% okay, it is the 5% that sticks out like dogs balls. He will just cough up some goals on a regular basis that you should only ever tolerate from a rookie. All defenders are going to get beaten at times, all have bad days, but when you play on dangerous smaller forwards and you don't keep yourself between the goal and your man at all times then it is an inevitability that you are going to leak some soft goals.

We need to remove the rookie errors and soft goals from our back six, if you concede 1-3 preventable goals a game and all 6 of our defenders do that then we have lost the game before it has even started... which is why we have been bottom 2 for four years, we don't have the offensive firepower to kick a score high enough to overcome both what the opposition score on merit and what we concede through error.

6-6-6 is only for the centre bounce, as a defensive winger he can slide back when the ball is transitioning into the back half of the ground was my point

 

[Merlin007]

Don't have twitter.

Had a look based on the immortal giantroo ‘s usual great work - the recent form of the trade preacher looks better than most - broke Hamling at swans and Taylor Adams four days ago, so might be something in the Hayne thing

 

[Roo096]

Has anyone though about about if we only get band 2 and end up with a mid teen pick instead of 3.Do we take what we have and make the best of it or throw everything at Reid.

 

[Tas]

6-6-6 is only for the centre bounce, as a defensive winger he can slide back when the ball is transitioning into the back half of the ground was my point

Slide back from where and what is his man doing when he is loitering in the defensive 50?

The loose position doesn't exist in perpetuity and longer. We can't afford to have loose opposition mids running around.

I really like him as a person and I hope he finds a role he can play well at, there is just nowhere to hide him any longer, we have real rookies in the back six now, we can't afford the captain to be as bad as them defensively.

 

[Merlin007]

Has anyone though about about if we only get band 2 and end up with a mid teen pick instead of 3.Do we take what we have and make the best of it or throw everything at Reid.

we match and make it Essendon's problem

 

[Tas]

Has anyone though about about if we only get band 2 and end up with a mid teen pick instead of 3.Do we take what we have and make the best of it or throw everything at Reid.

Cross that bridge when/if we get to it.

 

[Masked Avenger]

So instead of moving his pick from 8 to 9 by paying band 1, he would be moving the pick from 8 to ~16 by splitting it and giving us half of that?

What I do know is that if Dodo splits 8 and then fails to land McKay, he'll be carried out in a box.

 

[kirbonavich]

Did some minor editing on the first two parts.

He makes too many rookie defender mistakes and doesn't learn from his errors, which makes for a bad defender. His 95% okay, it is the 5% that sticks out like dogs balls. He will just cough up some goals on a regular basis that you should only ever tolerate from a rookie. All defenders are going to get beaten at times, all have bad days, but when you play on dangerous smaller forwards and you don't keep yourself between the goal and your man at all times then it is an inevitability that you are going to leak some soft goals.

We need to remove the rookie errors and soft goals from our back six, if you concede 1-3 preventable goals a game and all 6 of our defenders do that then we have lost the game before it has even started... which is why we have been bottom 2 for four years, we don't have the offensive firepower to kick a score high enough to overcome both what the opposition score on merit and what we concede through error.

If he wasn't NM royalty, would he be playing? Let alone co-cap.

 

[The Dingrel]

Trent Bianco deserves to be playing AFL footy.

Always thought Arlo Draper would struggle to adapt to AFL footy, showed highlights of class on juniors but was never able to consistently have an impact. Never settled in one position either.

I remember the media at least linking us to Bianco in his draft year. Who would he be competing with for a spot Lazaro? Or better you think?

 

[ExorcismOfArdenStreet]

Slide back from where and what is his man doing when he is loitering in the defensive 50?

The loose position doesn't exist in perpetuity and longer. We can't afford to have loose opposition mids running around.

I really like him as a person and I hope he finds a role he can play well at, there is just nowhere to hide him any longer, we have real rookies in the back six now, we can't afford the captain to be as bad as them defensively.

I'm talking about playing a role similarly to Blake Acres, granted he's not as good and doesn't have the tank to match 100%. I still think he could play as defensive winger and play the role well. I don't think he would be able to offer as much offensively as Acres but he could work from our F50 arc back but this isn't a big deal either as when the opposition pushes up into our forward 50 if there is enough pressure on the ball he'll probably get more intercept marks hanging back from our F50 from the hack kicks that come, when you watch teams like Carlton/Collingwood/Brisbane this is something they do very well. He doesn't need to loiter in the D50 but transition back through hard gut running when the ball is transitioning into our back half much like Acres.