Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[naysayer]

Didn't rate lmac pre-draft and still don't rate.

Go to the draft for me

Macdonald maybe a target for Freo in the off season. Signed a 2 year extension last year, but that was before being left out of the GF team. Freo have to go after him or Naughton - they need a key forward to work with Amiss (who is an absolute gun, by the way).

I'd happily have him (or Naughton) at Hawthorn and pay to price as well, but if they're leaving then Freo will be making the better offer ("come back home and be well-paid as the missing piece of the puzzle").

 

[Steven Tyler]

Sydney aren’t letting go a contracted KPP when they will lose Franklin, Reid and Paddy McCartin at seasons end

 

[westhawk]

I know a lot of WC supporters that would spew if Barrass was to exit, regardless of the returns.


Our HFC reaction will be interesting, a stay home FF allowing ML to play further up the ground would potentially be a usurp of time for us.

No way would West Coast give Barrass for Mcdonald. Barrass is worth 10 Logan McDonalds. Future captain and loved by everyone.

 

[Alite]

Melbourne are 100% in their premiership window and so in a trade would want ready made players.

The Hawks are developing and so want high draft picks.

For mine there is only one player with high trade value that the Hawks can afford to lose and that is CJ. The rapid emergence of Seamus and the backup of Tank can fill the CJ hole. The likely drafting of McCabe could also eventually help.
When CJ is at his best he is the complete hybrid defender: Spoils, gathers, links, runs and delivers.

Melbourne have a near complete team (I still wonder how they lose any game with the personnel that they have) with their issue seemingly being slow on transition. CJ could go a long way to fix that. In any deal, the optimum is when both parties are enhanced.

CJ for Melbourne‘s current pick 16? Thoughts?

 

[hawkmang]

Melbourne are 100% in their premiership window and so in a trade would want ready made players.

The Hawks are developing and so want high draft picks.

For mine there is only one player with high trade value that the Hawks can afford to lose and that is CJ. The rapid emergence of Seamus and the backup of Tank can fill the CJ hole. The likely drafting of McCabe could also eventually help.
When CJ is at his best he is the complete hybrid defender: Spoils, gathers, links, runs and delivers.

Melbourne have a near complete team (I still wonder how they lose any game with the personnel that they have) with their issue seemingly being slow on transition. CJ could go a long way to fix that. In any deal, the optimum is when both parties are enhanced.

CJ for Melbourne‘s current pick 16? Thoughts?

I would snap their hand off if pick 16 was offered for CJ

 

[naysayer]

When CJ is at his best he is the complete hybrid defender: Spoils, gathers, links, runs and delivers.

Melbourne have a near complete team (I still wonder how they lose any game with the personnel that they have) with their issue seemingly being slow on transition. CJ could go a long way to fix that. In any deal, the optimum is when both parties are enhanced.

CJ for Melbourne‘s current pick 16? Thoughts?

Couldn't have said it better myself. Uninjured, he's best 22. Added to that he's one of our more experienced players, very popular with the fans and the playing group. So why trade him?

 

[Alite]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Uninjured, he's best 22. Added to that he's one of our more experienced players, very popular with the fans and the playing group. So why trade him?

I don’t want to trade CJ. Not at all! But what we need for our next premiership is still out there.

We need a second key fwd like Will Smith needs a Time Machine = “htoum nekcuf ruoy tuo eman s’efiw ym peek”

We have no players that we can lose without it hurting.

CJ for pick 16 was my question.

I’ll back it up with pick 3 + 16 for pick 1.

West Coast need many numbers of players. If they hold pick 1 I’ll be surprised.

 

[naysayer]

I don’t want to trade CJ. Not at all! But what we need for our next premiership is still out there.

We need a second key fwd like Will Smith needs a Time Machine = “htoum nekcuf ruoy tuo eman s’efiw ym peek”

We have no players that we can lose without it hurting.

CJ for pick 16 was my question.

I’ll back it up with pick 3 + 16 for pick 1.

West Coast need many numbers of players. If they hold pick 1 I’ll be surprised.

1. Harley Reid may be many things, but he's not our next key forward.

2. Pick 3 + Pick 16 does not get us anywhere near Pick 1.

3. CJ coming off an injury hit year is not worth pick 16.

4. Sam actually said in today's press conference: "we don't want to rush him (CJ) back, we want to get him right because he has a long future ahead of him in the brown and gold".

 

[Alite]

1. Harley Reid may be many things, but he's not our next key forward.

2. Pick 3 + Pick 16 does not get us anywhere near Pick 1.

3. CJ coming off an injury hit year is not worth pick 16.

4. Sam actually said in today's press conference: "we don't want to rush him (CJ) back, we want to get him right because he has a long future ahead of him in the brown and gold".

1: I agree.
2: likely true
3: Melbourne just lost to a depleted Geelong due to the Demon’s inability to move the ball at any speed. They have the fwds. They have the defenders. They have the mids and yet they lost! They need speed on the ball out of transition and that is obvious. @neysayer how would you solve Melbourne’s problem?
4: yes! Again I say I love CJ. 100% on Sam’s comments.


If you do not think CJ is worth pick 16 to Melbourne, you are under-rating CJ.

 

[killerspud]

1: I agree.
2: likely true
3: Melbourne just lost to a depleted Geelong due to the Demon’s inability to move the ball at any speed. They have the fwds. They have the defenders. They have the mids and yet they lost! The need for speed on the ball out of transition is obvious. @neysayer how would you solve Melbourne’s problem?
4: yes! Again I say I love CJ. 100% on Sam’s comments.


If you do not think CJ is worth pick 16 to Melbourne, you are under-rating CJ.

If you agree with the first two then your premise is flawed from the outset.

Who will be available at pick 16 and will they be better than CJ??

Those key forwards you speak of are going top 5 maybe top 10. We trade a FF to get one or get lucky with a salary dump pick.

Either CJ is a gun in which case we keep him or he's a dud not worth best 22 which means he's not worth pick 16

 

[FB19]

If you agree with the first two then your premise is flawed from the outset.

Who will be available at pick 16 and will they be better than CJ??

Those key forwards you speak of are going top 5 maybe top 10. We trade a FF to get one or get lucky with a salary dump pick.

Either CJ is a gun in which case we keep him or he's a dud not worth best 22 which means he's not worth pick 16

Players worth is not objective that’s why some move clubs for low value and succeed too many to mention. If we have a surplus in an area and another side is deficient there we have an opportunity to maximise return. We are strong defensively so there are severa players that could be moved on to improve our hand it’s just about aligning who we ar prepared to lose to a club that will pay maximum for them. I like the conversation it’s grown up and the one we should be having whether anything eventuates or not. To weigh in CJ to dees, cats, crows, suns would make sense. Scrimshaw to dogs. We have tradeable players in defence, then it depends what we get offered. Anything first round or early second for either has to make us think as it is a strong draft but also might unlock other deals like getting suns first. I personally don’t see either as must keep but equally I think they are both best 22 so let’s see what happens.

 

[Braidz]

Highly doubt CJ is going anywhere. One of our most marketable players. He will be back when he’s fit and confident.

 

[cs61]

We need to be a bit more supportive when players have a dip in form/get injured than saying they need to be moved on to get a draft pick. Especially players with elite traits who are much loved within the club like CJ.

You want explosive types as the ones rounding out the side in the last position, and having Mitchell, Weddle, CJ, Impey etc is going to be a nightmare for the opposition that our flanks and wings are so strong athletically when our midfield is also becoming formidable.

Meek and Kosi came back into the side in much better form with a focus on their strengths and role, and have no doubt Jiath can do the same with hopefully a license to be freed up and be more attacking further up the ground. Our player development coaches will be focusing on bringing their strengths out more and also refining anyway weaknesses, rather than trade players out as soon as they hit some hurdles.

 

[TheFourPillars]

CJ is injured he will be back in the team soon. He is not going anywhere. He fits our list profile / athletic profile for our game style

 

[SSSSSS]

I would every day of the week and twice on Sundays. A quality 21 year old developed KPF. Rare as hens teeth.

No doubt Syd will ask for our 2023 first however.

Would be great for Lewis' knees to have someone like McDonald who can push up the ground all day.

 

[Alite]

Would people trade CJ for pick 16. If not say so or and that is OK

This is a hypothetical tread and not a thread of people we want to trade or think will be traded.

And I even praised CJ to the hilt.

So… Let’s get silly, would people trade CJ for pick 1. Only a lier would say no. So there is a hypothetical situation where, no matter how silly, every Hawk supporter would be positively giddy if we traded CJ. Everyone has a price and you all just saw you have one.

So far only FB19 seems to get / support the concept of Hypothetical trades.

Now back to the original reasoned concept. Would Hawks supporters trade CJ for pick 16. If CJ was amenable to the trade, I would.

Damn that was hard work!

 

[WatWouldCyrilDo]

Cal Twomey has McCabe as a pick in the teens. Have seen one article where some recruiters thought he could go top 10. If McCabe does rise up the draft boards, there would be no point trading CJ.

 

[PenAndPaper]

Would really love us to have a look at Buku Khamis. I rate the kid and for some reason the Dogs are refusing to play him.

He's very versatile, can take a mark, kick a goal, been in pretty good form in the VFL and OOC at the end of the year.

 

[hawkinoz]

Cal Twomey has McCabe as a pick in the teens. Have seen one article where some recruiters thought he could go top 10. If McCabe does rise up the draft boards, there would be no point trading CJ.

Trade's happen before draft.. CJ is the only one we can afford to lose and have cover, so if we get a good deal, will be daft to ignore it. I will do pick 16 or better for CJ.

Kane is on the drums for Port to look to trade for Tom McD to play as defender, he like Sam Frost os cpntracted till 2024 and same age. I would be willing to trade Frost for pick in 30's. That will let us package our picks for GC's top pick on draft night.

Premiership Demon floated as trade option for flag contender

“He might solve a few issues.”

www.sen.com.au

Expecting McCabe to go in 20's.

 

[FB19]

It’s weird whether it be the weddle trade or now the would you trade CJ discussion to see such one dimensional thinking. Oh the weddle trade was genius as the picks would get swallowed up for McCabe, same now with CJ for pick 16. Picks can be traded up to and including the night. Weddle is a great trade because he’s showing great signs and the players taken after haven’t showed much. That said if we had our 2023 r2/3 we would be in a strong position to land the suns r1. It’s all opportunity cost and very difficult to assess merit given the variables and how one action has so many ripple effects.
Yes I came to this highly scientific understanding from a combination of back to the future and the Simpsons.
So would I trade CJ for say pick 16? If it enabled suns r1 for 16 and dogs r2 with something r3 back for McCabe then yes.
And thanks to Alite for the shout out after some early difficulties in staying on point in each of the threads I placed a real emphasis on it!

 

[triple treat]

Not sure of his age but would Ben brown

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Ben Brown

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

be a cheap option ( can’t get a game with the Dees)? Him and Lewis would be good together IMO.

 

[I got the outside word]

Not sure of his age but would Ben brown be a cheap option ( can’t get a game with the Dees)? Him and Lewis would be good together IMO.

31 I think. No from me.

 

[Brant]

Not sure of his age but would Ben brown be a cheap option ( can’t get a game with the Dees)? Him and Lewis would be good together IMO.

Is 30, I think.
I agree, they could form a good partnership, but doubt we do it.

 

[triple treat]

Is 30, I think.
I agree, they could form a good partnership, but doubt we do it.

Yeah fair enough, tad bit old

 

[Brant]

Would really love us to have a look at Buku Khamis. I rate the kid and for some reason the Dogs are refusing to play him.

He's very versatile, can take a mark, kick a goal, been in pretty good form in the VFL and OOC at the end of the year.

They already play Lobb, Naunton, JUH & have Darcy when fit.

Can't see him getting a game as a KPF.