Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[killerspud]

Reckon Grant Birchall (193cm) could ever play the same way as Jarryd Roughead (193cm)?

But they were recruited specifically as a flanker and key forward and played their junior footy as such.

DGB was recruited as a key back and excelled there as a junior. He played on guys who were recruited as key forwards. He has the height requirement. He has a similar build to Dustin Fletcher.

He will get there but we need patience

 

[hfc70]

I have been told Darcy Gardiners body is cooked…

Welcome Darcy

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

DGB is a flanker at this stage, he could develop into a KPP.

I think it has a lot to do with how the player see their self as well!

Birchall being a flanker is a prime example. Jarrod Molloy 189 cm playing KPP.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[The hands of stone]

The problem with that comparison is that whilst Andrews and Weitering had their early struggles it was still clear that they had the size / strength / ability to become quality KPDs (I always thought the early knocks on Weitering were overdone as well).

Whereas DGB will never have the body type to be able to hold down Full Back / Centre Half Back. Which is why we are now taking about him as a rangy half forward.

Honestly none of us here can currently say with any certainty whether DGB will make it or not. A massive pre season for the young man coming up.

So he will never have the body type to play CHB/FB but there isnt certainty he will make it or not .
Its both the same . Guessing .

We are asking him to bulk up while also improve his endurance. Unless your genetically gifted its an incredible slow process to do both at the same time. Its not unusual for athletes to take 3-4 years of proper training , tweaking of nutrition and recovery to see decent gains .

He 21 turning 22 , some people dont fill out until their mid 20s

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Salary dump for Haynes.

Move Brockman on for whatever WCE offer. Just get it over and done with early.

Try and move up to pick #1 or try and obtain a second first rounder from someone, preferably GCS.

Hopefully we are pushing for these kinds of deals.

 

[Rioli magic]

I think it has a lot to do with how the player see their self as well!

Birchall being a flanker is a prime example. Jarrod Molloy 189 cm playing KPP.

Tom Jonas is shorter than Finn Maginnes…

 

[hawkmang]

Billings for a late pick could be decent, fallen out of saints midfield but would be a decent small forward/high half forward flanker for cheap

 

[DannyJ]

Didn’t we get Birchall with their first?

Major pieces in the deal were Daniel Motlop, Jonny Hay and Pick 14.

We also got 18 and I think North got Daniel McConnell who was rated highly at the time

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[Bugs1977]

 

[Bugs1977]

Tom Jonas is shorter than Finn Maginnes…

So Finn to FB in 2024?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Billings for a late pick could be decent, fallen out of saints midfield but would be a decent small forward/high half forward flanker for cheap

I'd take him

 

[grumbleguts]

Tom Jonas is shorter than Finn Maginnes…

So is Tom Jones. It's not unusual.

 

[Gohawks16]

The problem with that comparison is that whilst Andrews and Weitering had their early struggles it was still clear that they had the size / strength / ability to become quality KPDs (I always thought the early knocks on Weitering were overdone as well).

Whereas DGB will never have the body type to be able to hold down Full Back / Centre Half Back. Which is why we are now taking about him as a rangy half forward.

Honestly none of us here can currently say with any certainty whether DGB will make it or not. A massive pre season for the young man coming up.

Both Weitering and DGB were listed as 195cm in their respective draft years, Wietering at 90lg and DGB at 81kg.
The size difference isn't that substantial and suggests with a few more seasons he could become what the Hawks really need.

 

[Braidz]

I thought it was called Trade Radio not recap and talk about the Grand Final.

You actually turned it on?

 

[Platten44]

I'd take him

28 and owed $1.2 mill for the next two years

 

[TylerDurden]

28 and owed $1.2 mill for the next two years

For pick 6 I'd take him.

 

[CrimminsSquad]

So is Tom Jones. It's not unusual.

He's short but available

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Both Weitering and DGB were listed as 195cm in their respective draft years, Wietering at 90lg and DGB at 81kg.
The size difference isn't that substantial and suggests with a few more seasons he could become what the Hawks really need.

I thought DGB was only 78kgs in his draft year, he was super skinny.

Weitering is currently 103kgs and DGB is still only 84kgs (according to AFL club websites).

They are totally different body types. Weitering has the big, wide body and is strong in his core and across his shoulders.

DGB on the other hand is built like a tall middle distance runner (which is interesting given his struggles with aerobic capacity).

I'd say DGBs best bet to make it will now be as a third tall who can use his pace off the mark and marking ability down forward.

Or possibly as an intercepting half back flanker (but we are stacked for those already).

I just can't see him ever being a KPD, he's not genetically appropriate for that role.

 

[Kuuz]

Kossie did…

Not the greatest example of an KP early burner. In the first two seasons, Kozi was rotting in Box Hill with some pretty regular injuries. DGB has done far better than that and been first-team worthy at least.

Sure - the third season shares in Kozi's favour, but then he also has never hit those peaks since. Still time for DGB to develop into what he needs to be.

Agreed he needs to show more - but tbh, the coaching staff keep moving him around, so it's pretty hard for him to develop consistently when his position isn't even locked down. I just hope we can give him a clear set position for him to develop in, rather than this chop and change stuff.

Final thing I'll say is to quote Littlejohn, development is not a linear path. Dips, slumps and explosions are all part of youth development - hoping the latter clicks for DGB

 

[projectdingley]

No brainer to take on Haynes or any player if it comes with a top-ended pick. Now Essendon have McKay on their books, we look like the only club who will be able to do so. This loophole may be blocked in coming years, so best to take advantage of it now.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[lyger]

It was said at the end, “available on the cheap”.

What is the likely going rate?