Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Billyc]

Think you’ll find it will be pick 3, pick 30, Brockman and DGB for pick 1 with later pick coming back.

West Coast won’t do that deal.

 

[HawksILove]

Think you’ll find it will be pick 3, pick 30, Brockman and DGB for pick 1 with later pick coming back.

That I agree
Is this your thoughts or inside club information

 

[Franko Armani]

West Coast won’t do that deal.

We’ll make them.

Ah, I wish McCartney hadn’t said anything. It’s making us all nuts!

 

[FB19]

Good deal.

For who? Us it’s a snap their hand off deal
West coast laugh it away. North can and will blow any deal we can do out of the water that was the sole point of the assistance package. It’s been planned. It’s the AFLs version of good governance. Or they misheard Continental Tyres trade radio advertising to be saying to “install a Reid!”

 

[HairyO]

1. 20% discount for bid matching
2. Bids will be matched by around 3 picks each time (more for early bids less for later). One pick is added and 3 picks removed for the match so net -2 hence 54 becomes 52 if all those picks are before 54. 3 academy and 2 FS in top 25 so roughly 5 x -2 = -10 pick 54 becomes 44.

It’s an approximate of course but you get the point.

This is what people forget. Early picks get pushed out by matching clubs jumping the queue.

Late picks come forward as multiple picks are brought forward by matched picks disappearing.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[FB19]

This is what people forget. Early picks get pushed out by matching clubs jumping the queue.

Late picks come forward as multiple picks are brought forward by matched picks disappearing.

Yes it’s a difficult system and highly convoluted and compromised. But working within it getting late picks in a highly compromised draft is smart moneyballing.

 

[50metres]

Let me guess what it says:

Hawthorn going for Geelongs pick 7, Gold Coasts Pick 4, to get West Coasts Pick 1

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Wonder what Fisher would cost North?

 

[FB19]

Wonder what Fisher would cost North?

Interesting question couldn’t cement a spot, going for greater opportunity, on about 500k a year for 4/5 years sounds familiar. Hopefully a future fourth!

 

[Bee Dee 63]

Think you’ll find it will be pick 3, pick 30, Brockman and DGB for pick 1 with later pick coming back.

That's probably fair for both parties, and if anything skewed slightly towards the Eagles, depending on the pick coming back.

To those who say the Eagles wouldn't do it, I'd ask why not?
It is a flawed assumption to think they might value pick 1 as much as we might.
They probably don't because Harley Reid represents a bigger flight risk to them than us, and as such, reduces his value (to them).

The better way to view this is how beneficial is the trade to the Eagles achieving their goals, in order to guess whether they might accept or reject.

If for instance, their main goal IS to secure Curtin, then they get their man (probably), as well as collecting two best 22 players and a 2nd round pick.

How is that not a good deal for them?

For us, Brockman was gone anyway, the second rounder is a fair price to pay and the bit of pain in the transaction is the loss of DGB who may develop into a good player, but equally, may not.

 

[HairyO]

That's probably fair for both parties, and if anything skewed slightly towards the Eagles, depending on the pick coming back.

To those who say the Eagles wouldn't do it, I'd ask why not?
It is a flawed assumption to think they might value pick 1 as much as we might.
They probably don't because Harley Reid represents a bigger flight risk to them than us, and as such, reduces his value (to them).

The better way to view this is how beneficial is the trade to the Eagles achieving their goals, in order to guess whether they might accept or reject.

If for instance, their main goal IS to secure Curtin, then they get their man (probably), as well as collecting two best 22 players and a 2nd round pick.

How is that not a good deal for them?

For us, Brockman was gone anyway, the second rounder is a fair price to pay and the bit of pain in the transaction is the loss of DGB who may develop into a good player, but equally, may not.

If smart they are waiting to see if the Roos do get pick 3 for McKay. So it may not happen to near the end of trade week.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Yes you're right.

This conspiracy garbage that Cal is trying to inflate the value of Dear, etc, is absolutely laughable. If anyone thinks it has any influence on list managers then they need to have a word with themselves. Utter nonsense.

The conspiracy stuff here this off-season is rivaling the people who were head****ed by Geelong all last summer. Not making finals for 5 years has done some really weird things to people.

 

[BobHawk]

Think you’ll find it will be pick 3, pick 30, Brockman and DGB for pick 1 with later pick coming back.

I think the suggestion that WCE want a young mid in any trade for pick 1 seems about right given that we do have several young mids on our list. Other clubs may already be knocking on the door or may come knocking over the next 12 months. I personally think that it does put the club in a good position to be able to trade for our needs because they may not all be capable of getting a game. The other interesting point is that we should be looking at one of them putting in a preseason to try and develop them as a small forward which is an obvious need.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

What are you talking about? It's quite explicitly worth 220 points.

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He lives in the UK - he’s used to seeing UK prices and having to multiply them by 2 to figure out the AUD equivalent.

 

[Big Hotdog]

Wonder what Fisher would cost North?

The article above suggests that pick 42 is on offer but Carlton will want more.

 

[Since 2001]

I wouldnt want to see us trade ward, cmac, day or frenchie. That would hurt.

But what can you do other than bsck yhe club in

 

[eldorado]

Think you’ll find it will be pick 3, pick 30, Brockman and DGB for pick 1 with later pick coming back.

 

[eldorado]

I wish the movie "Yesterday" was real, but with Harley Reid instead of the Beatles...

 

[HedgeFund]

Let me guess what it says:

Hawthorn going for Geelongs pick 7, Gold Coasts Pick 4, to get West Coasts Pick 1

I like the bit in the article where Twomey and Beveridge mention:

Absolutely nothing about Hawthorn at all.

 

[hfc70]

West Coast won’t do that deal.

Eagles want Pick 1 and they want Harley Reid.
It’s all public posturing.
Curtin is the logic WA choice people are making.

It’s going to take a godfather offer for Eagles even to accept it.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

St Kilda, Carlton and Essendon are so good at shuffling around average players and acting like they've made massive improvements to their list.

 

[naysayer]

Think you’ll find it will be pick 3, pick 30, Brockman and DGB for pick 1 with later pick coming back.

It would be a good deal for both parties, but we won't be able to compete with North if they really want Reid, especially if they get pick 3. Ultimately that gives them the trump card of holding picks 2&3 which they can exchange for pick 1. That exact deal won't happen, but the ability to split one of those picks and throw in another of their other late first rounders is simply bargaining power that we can't hope to match.

If we want Reid, we have to hope that the McKay compensation is band 2.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Eagles want Pick 1 and they want Harley Reid.
It’s all public posturing.
Curtin is the logic WA choice people are making.

It’s going to take a godfather offer for Eagles even to accept it.

I really don’t think they want to take Harley.

There’s been a belief amongst AFL clubs all year that he is a flight risk if he goes to WA.

 

[grumbleguts]

I really don’t think they want to take Harley.

There’s been a belief amongst AFL clubs all year that he is a flight risk if he goes to WA.

He's more of a drive risk. He's already stated he's afraid of flying. Something as a footballer he'll have to get over.