Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[theiaofseed]

Sleepy.

Brockman floated in the pick one discussions by that, Pick 4 + F1 + Brockman

 

[Rocket72]

Sleepy like a FOX.

Sounds like we want pick 1.

It's on ladies and gentlemen.

We're asking about pick 1, like we should. The WCE will ask for more than it's worth, like they should. And we'll pass, like we should.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Brockman floated in the pick one discussions by that, Pick 4 + F1 + Brockman

I reckon it's going to be multiple clubs.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Thing about Worpel is that Cats really need someone like him in there. They miss Selwood doing all the in and under hard stuff and have nobody willing to do it.

It would make sense, but gee I don't see them doing it.

Pick 7 or no deal.

No way would we trade him for a pick in the twenties, that would be madness.

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

We're asking about pick 1, like we should. The WCE will ask for more than it's worth, like they should. And we'll pass, like we should.

I dunno. He didn't sound like someone just asking the question. It sounded like someone who has thought about the answer.

 

[theiaofseed]

Melbourne going after Hawkins? Explains why Chol wasn't targeted by them

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Pick 7 or no deal.

No way would we trade him for a pick in the twenties, that would be madness.

They have 7 and 84.

7 slides enough and you are probably right. They might try getting a late second in and throw it our way, which we would decline.

 

[Kuuz]

Cats surely not parting with pick 7.

They've already floated that they would give it up for the right offer.

Pick 7 potentially sits in a weirdo limbo, as it likely gets pushed back 2-3 spots to 9-10. At that point, you likely JUST miss out on the top bracket of talent which has been mooted as:

1. Reid
2. Walter (GCS-locked)
3. McKercher
4. Duursma
5. Watson
6. Curtain
7. Sanders
8. Caddy
9. Read (GCS-locked)

Makes sense, if Norf get their prio pick as 3, then Geelong just lose out on the true elite talent in the draft. Plus they have an aversion to anyone born earlier than 1950.

 

[Rocket72]

Pick 7 or no deal.

No way would we trade him for a pick in the twenties, that would be madness.

Pick 7 is more than he's worth but I agree it's what would be needed. Geelong may feel that he can improve from the 'go home' factor. Interesting to see how that one plays out.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I love Worps. Hoping he does stay at the Hawks, as he clearly loves it here.

But do admit, he would be one of the few more experienced players in a position we have depth for. Opens up a mid spot for Wardy or Frenchie & I just feel we need more currency from somewhere on our list to make some real trades spin. He would probably only get something between 20-30, but might be useful.

It would hurt me to see him in another jumper, but I can accept it if it gets us something like Baz, which we need more outside class.

I'm coming at this from a complete punter's spot, but we can't really move anything without more draft currency it feels. That, and we need Norf/Bombers to completely screw up the compo pick & not line up for a Pick 3.

No way in hell would I trade Worps for a 20-30 pick.

He was a top 5 contested ball/clearance player this year and they are valuable assets.

Plus he's only what 23? Just entering his prime years.

 

[Billyc]

Melbourne going after Hawkins? Explains why Chol wasn't targeted by them

Seriously? Actually a pretty good move by them for a 1-2 year flag hunt. Hawkins could actually play that forward/ruck role they wanted Grundy to play. Geelong wouldn't trade him though would they?

 

[Sturty]

This thread is absolutely rocking
And I'm here for all of it.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I’d send Worpel to geelong if it got us pick 7

They've been courting him for years.
Would actually fit in very well down there - even though I love the guy and have really enjoyed seeing him become the underrated clearance beast that he is.

 

[hardway]

Keep an eye on the swans, large amount of list spots available. They either have a few targets or they rate this draft.

 

[Rocket72]

I dunno. He didn't sound like someone just asking the question. It sounded like someone who has thought about the answer.

If we could ensure Curtin gets to one of the picks we give WCE, it'd be on. I don't see how we can do that.

He did show an unusually high amount of interest in the topic, sort of a 4/10. Which is big for Mark. lol

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

They've been courting him for years.
Would actually fit in very well down there - even though I love the guy and have really enjoyed seeing him become the underrated clearance beast that he is.

One of those rare occasions where you are happy for them to stay, happy for them to go and they would be an actual, real benefit to the club that acquires him.

Happy either way, as long as he is not gifted away, and i don't think that will happen as we could have done that when he was sitting behind Titch.

 

[theiaofseed]

Seriously? Actually a pretty good move by them for a 1-2 year flag hunt. Hawkins could actually play that forward/ruck role they wanted Grundy to play. Geelong wouldn't trade him though would they?

He's a free agent I think? 2 years at 700k, more than he'd get at Geelong. I believe Grundys money if off the books fully?

 

[Kuuz]

No way in hell would I trade Worps for a 20-30 pick.

He was a top 5 contested ball/clearance player this year and they are valuable assets.

Plus he's only what 23? Just entering his prime years.

I feel the benchmark is our Tom Mitchell trade from the Swans.

That was for effectively Pick 14 (pushed back to 16) and a swap of 3rd round picks. I feel like TOM is a very comparable type, similar ages & Worps is actually more experienced (TOM had 60-odd games, Worps is 100+). So I feel like this is the ceiling.

But there's a glut of inside-mids on the market atm, so just feels like it could push a pick back a few places to the 20s. Plus it feels like the optics of Worpel is "bad kicker", even though his disposal from stoppage was fairly solid this season.

I mean, this is all hypothetical. I've heard zero rumours on Worps at all, so he likely stays on our list - which I'm completely happy with

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Keep an eye on the swans, large amount of list spots available. They either have a few targets or they rate this draft.

Grundy and Jordan are coming in. Adams likely too. So that's three spots taken by senior players.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I absolutely love sleepy mark.
That just-woke-up demeanour must catch a lot of other list managers off guard.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

I feel the benchmark is our Tom Mitchell trade from the Swans.

That was for effectively Pick 14 (pushed back to 16) and a swap of 3rd round picks. I feel like TOM is a very comparable type, similar ages & Worps is actually more experienced (TOM had 60-odd games, Worps is 100+). So I feel like this is the ceiling.

But there's a glut of inside-mids on the market atm, so just feels like it could push a pick back a few places to the 20s. Plus it feels like the optics of Worpel is "bad kicker", even though his disposal from stoppage was fairly solid this season.

We'd definitely need a kicker if we wanted a higher pick in the first round.

If that's the case then we don't do the deal.

But I can't believe that Worps is only worth a pick in the twenties in the open market.

He averages 26 disposals and 6.5 clearances a game (elite). Be a big assumption that Ward, Frenchie, etc could replace that kind of output if Worps leaves.

 

[Rocket72]

I feel the benchmark is our Tom Mitchell trade from the Swans.

That was for effectively Pick 14 (pushed back to 16) and a swap of 3rd round picks. I feel like TOM is a very comparable type, similar ages & Worps is actually more experienced (TOM had 60-odd games, Worps is 100+). So I feel like this is the ceiling.

But there's a glut of inside-mids on the market atm, so just feels like it could push a pick back a few places to the 20s. Plus it feels like the optics of Worpel is "bad kicker", even though his disposal from stoppage was fairly solid this season.

We'd definitely need a kicker to the trade, like another pick, if we wanted a higher pick in the first round.

He developed his forward craft this year too, which will be important with our midfield.

 

[tl92]

How likely is the 4 +1 contract claim? He's 26 and played 30 games at two different clubs totalling 60 games. I would have thought that a 3 year deal would have been generous, and appropriate for a guy who comes with a 'can be lazy' tag.

27 in January too

 

[theiaofseed]

I absolutely love sleepy mark.
That just-woke-up demeanour must catch a lot of other list managers off guard.

The face of a man sitting on a Royal Flush

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Mark looks like he needs his morning billy to really get into the day.