Ultimate Glory 2023 Trade speculation and Shinbeggars discussion

[Blackhawk42]

Is Riccardi an upgrade on Kosi? Yes.

But by how much? That will determine whether we're prepared to pay whatever the price will be

Not so simple, saying 'yes' to that question.

Over their careers, Kosi averages more goals, more contested marks, more marks inside 50, more tackles and more contested possessions.

I won't say I'm against bringing Riccardi in, but if the club or supporters believe he's an instant upgrade on Kosi I'd say they're basing it on nothing more than optimism.

Riccardi probably has more footy smarts and natural talent, so the potential to develop into a stronger player is there. I also do understand the argument that we might already know Kosi's ceiling.

But for the original question of 'is he an upgrade?' No. We can't know that for certain yet.

Our of contract and not a consistently best 22 player. I wouldn't want to pay more than a future third for him if I'm honest.

 

[MrPremiership]

More flexible? Can play both ends.

Kosi was U/18 All Austraian as a Full Back.

We ain't recruiting Riccardi to play as a defender

 

[Billyc]

Not so simple, saying 'yes' to that question.

Over their careers, Kosi averages more goals, more contested marks, more marks inside 50, more tackles and more contested possessions.

I won't say I'm against bringing Riccardi in, but if the club or supporters believe he's an instant upgrade on Kosi I'd say they're basing it on nothing more than optimism.

Riccardi probably has more footy smarts and natural talent, so the potential to develop into a stronger player is there. I also do understand the argument that we might already know Kosi's ceiling.

But for the original question of 'is he an upgrade?' No. We can't know that for certain yet.

Our of contract and not a consistently best 22 player. I wouldn't want to pay more than a future third for him if I'm honest.

Fair points and there’s a “grass is greener” element in comparing him to Kosi who, for his faults, has also kicked bags in the AFL.

I like Riccardi for his versatility also and have been keen on him for a couple years. Reality is we are thin for key position players, both starting and depth. When Lewis missed (and he hasn't been the most durable player) we had Greene playing full forward and we often have undersized blokes playing key defence.

I think Riccardi is a really good target for us. Firstly I think he can play and can be long term best 22 but even if not, we need more key position players on the list

 

[KermitJagger]

Fair points and there’s a “grass is greener” element in comparing him to Kosi who, for his faults, has also kicked bags in the AFL.

I like Riccardi for his versatility also and have been keen on him for a couple years. Reality is we are thin for key position players, both starting and depth. When Lewis missed (and he hasn't been the most durable player) we had Greene playing full forward and we often have undersized blokes playing key defence.

I think Riccardi is a really good target for us. Firstly I think he can play and can be long term best 22 but even if not, we need more key position players on the list

Kosi has had odd isolated pockets of good football that he strangely hasn't been able to replicate for large periods - even in the VFL. Riccardi being able to at least dominate play in the VFL when he hasn't been performing to an AFL standard gives me a lot more faith he can be an option in the forward line we can persevere with, particularly if Lewis misses. When Kosi is down on confidence he might as well not be there.

I don't think he'll have too many more 5 goal games like he did on the weekend but he'll be good depth, and a good decoy if needed.

 

[A1fromDay1]

I'd see Riccardi as an addition like Weidman at the Dons will help short-term but will be pushed out long term once we're really challenging.

 

[Steven Tyler]

I'd see Riccardi as an addition like Weidman at the Dons will help short-term but will be pushed out long term once we're really challenging.

So a bit like Fergus Greene?

Just don’t see the point in recruiting Riccardi when we have Greene on the list, who will be replaced with a better forward if we are to win a flag

 

[A1fromDay1]

So a bit like Fergus Greene?

Just don’t see the point in recruiting Riccardi when we have Greene on the list, who will be replaced with a better forward if we are to win a flag

Currently Kozzie is playing that role & Riccardi would be an improvement on him.

 

[Wingnut19]

So a bit like Fergus Greene?

Just don’t see the point in recruiting Riccardi when we have Greene on the list, who will be replaced with a better forward if we are to win a flag

I would of thought its pretty obvious Greene aint up to it. Greene and Kosi will be lucky to be on list next year. Ryan and Riccardi would be an upgrade for mine.

 

[Billyc]

So a bit like Fergus Greene?

Just don’t see the point in recruiting Riccardi when we have Greene on the list, who will be replaced with a better forward if we are to win a flag

I think he will offer a lot more than Greene, so simply isn't a key position player. He'd be competing with Kosi for the second tall forward spot, and I think he's better than Kosi. Can also swing back if match ups or an injury called for it, rather than losing Sicily to play key defence. Very logical target who could improve the side and at worst would give key position list depth, which we clearly lack.

 

[Steven Tyler]

I would have thought its pretty obvious Greene aint up to it. Greene and Kosi will be lucky to be on list next year. Ryan and Riccardi would be an upgrade for mine.

Greene and Riccardi are both very good VFL players who cannot consistently be good AFL players
Do not see the point in chasing Riccardi

 

[hawkinoz]

I would of thought its pretty obvious Greene aint up to it. Greene and Kosi will be lucky to be on list next year. Ryan and Riccardi would be an upgrade for mine.

Oh pls.. Greene has had 1.5 bad games, still in top 5 goal scorers for club.

Seems to be getting back to form in VFL, just in time to get a recall if Kosi follows his usual hot & cold patterns.

 

[Kuuz]

Riccardi is 22-23 so fits our age profile, and still has more development to go.

By the way he plays and his physicals, he fits a slightly different profile to Lewis and Kozi of eye-test - seems quite quick and flexible, and has good defensive pressure.

Plays a lot at full forward, but has an ability to roam up the ground.

Always handy to try and nab promising KPFs in free agency. Much better honestly than drafting them, as drafted KPFs and KPDs are such a dice roll. Putting high picks into those positions is much higher risk than mids and utility players, just based on how long it can take for them to mature.

Finally, I back our development system to turn potential into good players. Lewis is a ripper and we got him pick 70+.

Not even going to speculate on what Riccardi could become - just a good pickup and would still come fairly cheap, despite exposed form

 

[matey]

Riccardi seems to be at a good age given where our list is at. Going through life and knowing that you haven’t reached your peak as a man as an individual at his age …….. surely there is still some upside. A few negative comments regarding that he is just a good VFL player which could be an early call. Some have also said that he has forward smarts which is something that I have been critical of with Kosi in the past. I think it’s good insurance to have another option with Kosi and Ryan while Ramma is still developing I guess. If Hawks are enquiring I trust in MM’s eye as he has been doing a brilliant job last couple years

 

[matey]

Riccardi is 22-23 so fits our age profile, and still has more development to go.

By the way he plays and his physicals, he fits a slightly different profile to Lewis and Kozi of eye-test - seems quite quick and flexible, and has good defensive pressure.

Plays a lot at full forward, but has an ability to roam up the ground.

Always handy to try and nab promising KPFs in free agency. Much better honestly than drafting them, as drafted KPFs and KPDs are such a dice roll. Putting high picks into those positions is much higher risk than mids and utility players, just based on how long it can take for them to mature.

Finally, I back our development system to turn potential into good players. Lewis is a ripper and we got him pick 70+.

Not even going to speculate on what Riccardi could become - just a good pickup and would still come fairly cheap, despite exposed form

Just read your post after I posted mine and couldn’t agree more

 

[Topiary]

I'd see Riccardi as an addition like Weidman at the Dons will help short-term but will be pushed out long term once we're really challenging.

Not so sure. Riccardi could become a good player. Potentially a very good structural tall addition to the forward line. If true, I would push hard to get him.

 

[Noel Gallagher]

Not so sure. Riccardi could become a good player. Potentially a very good structural tall addition to the forward line. If true, I would push hard to get him.

Agree, thunk he has some significant improvement in him and won’t cost us a premium in draft capital

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

Currently Kozzie is playing that role & Riccardi would be an improvement on him.

But not a huge improvement. A good game from Kosi is better than a good game from Riccardi. Riccardi is the more consistent. Looking at their stats Riccardi is in front as he gets more uncontested possessions, Kosi has him easily covered in contested possessions and takes more contested marks

Riccardi has been in the system for four years now. No reason to believe he has a heap of improvement left in him.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Anybody in the know have any info on whether we're still pursuing Georgiades?

 

[Iceman!]

Noah, at the end of the day, no better than Newcombe, Nash and Worpel. Bide our time. Get King, or his equivalent.

We do need a KPD, while McCabe is developing.

That is why, a Duursma/Caddy combined with Watson and McCabe is such a great result. Watson has xfactor. I think Caddy definitely has xfactor. Either trade our first 2024 pick or do a contract dump trade.

 

[Brant]

I didn’t watch his game on the weekend but prior to playing seniors he’d been kicking bags at VFL level.

I see him as a very similar type of player to Lewis, but maybe it would work.

Doesn't nearly have the work rate or tank that Lewis has IMO - doesn't get up the ground nearly as much.
I'd be pretty keen to see Lewis at CHF, with Riccardi at FF. A smart 3rd Tall would clean up with those two as the KPF.

 

[Blackhawk42]

I would of thought its pretty obvious Greene aint up to it. Greene and Kosi will be lucky to be on list next year. Ryan and Riccardi would be an upgrade for mine.

Ryan is 25 years old and never played an AFL game or been on an AFL list until 2 weeks ago.

Riccardi has some talent, but still averages less goals a game than Kosi at AFL level, and both are the same age with similar amount of games played.

I know it's human nature to be excited by new things, but new ISN'T automatically always better, especially in list management.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

I'd see Riccardi as an addition like Weidman at the Dons will help short-term but will be pushed out long term once we're really challenging.

Agree with this

Short term solution based on perceived higher ceiling than Kozi. Has been more out than in at GWS predominantly a leading type. I don’t see him as a genuine long term Key forward type

would only take him in a steak knives deal

 

[Topiary]

Agree with this

Short term solution based on perceived higher ceiling than Kozi. Has been more out than in at GWS predominantly a leading type. I don’t see him as a genuine long term Key forward type

would only take him in a steak knives deal

Totally disagree.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Totally disagree.

Tells us how you see him being a long term solution

 

[DrAbs]

We really need a gun key forward but I doubt we can get one this year. Hopefully next year we will.