List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[gringo2011]

Move to Tassie play nine there and nine here. Our only premiership was built on Tassie stars, Howell, Stewart and Baldock what a trio.

I think we've missed that boat.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

He hasn't had a clear run back from the ACL though. The ACL has led to a bunch of soft tissue injuries causing him to miss nearly two seasons.

A torn calf (during the final session before he played too)... not a bunch of soft tissues at all.

He's missed a little over a year & a half... mostly due to the time of the year that he first did his knee.

 

[Diehard Saint]

He hasn't had a clear run back from the ACL though. The ACL has led to a bunch of soft tissue injuries causing him to miss nearly two seasons.

Lucky he's still relatively young. Plenty of time ahead of him.
And he had one unlucky injury subsequently. But he's back playing. A good pre-season and he'll be AOK.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I think we've missed that boat.

Did we ever want to catch that boat? Not me.

 

[Joffaboy]

Give me the young key forward who had nearly 100 shots on goal in his third season

Give me both, still don't see where I am underrating King. Granted there are many on here who do, some even were talking about 2 firsts in a trade for goodness sake.
It is my opinion only that Owens is the best prospect we have had since Roo. Hopefully I turn out right as I rate King extremely highly and that means we will have two out and out superstars on our hands.

 

[The_Steadier]

Ol mate doogs has a contract- presumably on decent coin too.

Plus he knows that the competition we have for his spot is pretty weak- zaine cordy

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Zaine Cordy

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

180.4

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.9

3star

MG

180.4

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

isn't exactly an established gun or a young up and coming one.

Even if doogs is open to moving- it's not like we are going to be able to send him to whoever gives us the best trade deal.

He can and will be very choosy in who he is willing to move to (if any?)
If he does choose somewhere else he wants to play for- we will be stuck with getting ho-hum trade value.

Because if it falls through with his nominated club- doogs can easily just wait 12 months and do it again.

In that 12 months waiting he'll be paid excellent money and will likely still be playing 1's, because competition for his spot with us isn't much.

 

[gringo2011]

I can’t think of a player under 21 in the comp that I would rather have than Owens. The amazing thing is that I think we’re only scratching the surface of what he’s fully capable of.
If he were at any other club most of this forum would be asking why don’t get players like him.

No-one is doubting his potential. There are probably a few I'd consider that are in that under 21 range that look like high potential players. Nick Daicos looks like the heir to the throne of the best player in footy and he's 20. Wardlaw and Sheezel, Horne-Francis, Gulden, Ashcroft, Callaghan etc are all very high level players.

Owens looks like he has the most high end potential of all of our kids. He does things that look like when he puts it all together he'll dominate games and like the best players do. Plenty are ahead in actual output now though. I'd say Nas is ahead on actual output at this point. How much potential players have is a different conversation.

 

[Sully111]

To improve, everything needs to be looked at.

I feel like some see the only way forward is getting as many new people in and current players out.

If Coffield is up and about Sincs can potentially spend more time in the midfield. The sooner we get Owens on ball the better.

I hope Sharman plays every game next season. Hammer is coming along nicely.

Windy and Pou are only going to get better.

Hopefully Max can stay on the park next year.

Hopefully the coaching can improve.

It would be great to get someone like Parish in or some players who are a definite improvement but I reckon it's crazy to be writing guys like Coffield off so early.

 

[Captain Paddy]

WTF is underrated King? He is a key forward.
Owens, like Roo (who was in reality a wingman) can play forward, up the ground, in the mids, chop out at ruck and is a contested ball beast.
King is a fantastic get and will be a great player. A lazy 6 with a busted wing going half rat pace tells us everything we need to know.
I just happen to opine that Owens is a better all round prospect. We are fortunate.

To extrapolate that out to underrating King is ludicrous but not unexpected on here.

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[Joffaboy]

No-one is doubting his potential. There are probably a few I'd consider that are in that under 21 range that look like high potential players. Nick Daicos looks like the heir to the throne of the best player in footy and he's 20. Wardlaw and Sheezel, Horne-Francis, Gulden, Ashcroft, Callaghan etc are all very high level players.

Owens looks like he has the most high end potential of all of our kids. He does things that look like when he puts it all together he'll dominate games and like the best players do. Plenty are ahead in actual output now though. I'd say Nas is ahead on actual output at this point. How much potential players have is a different conversation.

Wouldn't mind any of those TBF. As a utility hard ball get beast. @ 19 Owens could be anything.

 

[Joffaboy]

fanboi

you are the one extrapolating bs scenario's just because someone had a different opinion and you got a touch of the vapours

 

[Remboy]

Wouldn't mind any of those TBF. As a utility hard ball get beast. @ 19 Owens could be anything.

I'm not downplaying any first or second year players but Owens combined skillset is unique.

 

[Circus]

Where has the speculation of Howard going to the Swans come from? Why would they do that? What advantage do they get by having Dougal in their backline compared to what they've got?

I can see nothing in that move that will advantage either the Swans or us, so I don't see it happening, not even worth much thought.

There has been speculation on Dougal's ability to be a better defender by playing at CHB, taking marks, playing on, kicking deep into attack, etc. If that is the case why do we not experiment with Cordy at FB, Dougal at CHB and Wilkie continuing to take the most dangerous forward. We can adjust Battle, Webster, Stocker, NAS around that combo to see if it works? Might be a better defensive set up than trading/drafting etc while the other young blokes develop for another season.

 

[Speck]

I’ve seen the article, it says Essendon and Parish expect him to stay despite a 100k gap in his value, he’s currently got an offer for around 750/5 years at Essendon, and we are willing to pay a fair price but not overs because we have an eye to the future.

This was in the Darcy Parish thread on the Draft/Trading/FA board - if they are only offering $750k we should be going hard at $900k+.

Averages 31 touches per game and 8 clearances. Would transform our midfield in a heartbeat.

 

[beside the seaside]

A torn calf (during the final session before he played too)... not a bunch of soft tissues at all.

He's missed a little over a year & a half... mostly due to the time of the year that he first did his knee.

This is the list management thread, the point I'm making is that we need to stop overrating our own players on potential. It's the same crap that got Billings a four year deal and sees him sitting in the twos costing us too much money.

It isn't normal to miss as much footy as Coff has off an ACL. Before the ACL he was coming off a poor season. My point is we should be offering him a one year deal and no more, and if another side offers more and wants to take the risk on him he should go but why would we want to take a risk on a guy that for all intents and purposes is miles away right now and plays a position we have covered anyway?

We need to stop looking at our own players with rose-coloured glasses. Look at the sides at the top now. Look at Collingwood. They were ruthless with their own. If we are going to go to the top we need to be the same.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What a weird thing to say , Max and Ben have done knees

It was implied that Coffield will be moving on , because he hadn't not a good shot at it during his time at the Saints.
It was a weird thing to say, and it would be a weird thing to do. Changing clubs because you didn't get a shot at it while you had a long term injury.

If Coffield wants to move that's surely not the reason.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Where has the speculation of Howard going to the Swans come from? Why would they do that? What advantage do they get by having Dougal in their backline compared to what they've got?

I can see nothing in that move that will advantage either the Swans or us, so I don't see it happening, not even worth much thought.

There has been speculation on Dougal's ability to be a better defender by playing at CHB, taking marks, playing on, kicking deep into attack, etc. If that is the case why do we not experiment with Cordy at FB, Dougal at CHB and Wilkie continuing to take the most dangerous forward. We can adjust Battle, Webster, Stocker, NAS around that combo to see if it works? Might be a better defensive set up than trading/drafting etc while the other young blokes develop for another season.

They’ve just lost Paddy, Tom subject to same issues, Rampe nearing the end, and their other back ups I don’t think are genuine AFL quality (Francis, Melican, Gould)

 

[Sully111]

No-one is doubting his potential. There are probably a few I'd consider that are in that under 21 range that look like high potential players. Nick Daicos looks like the heir to the throne of the best player in footy and he's 20. Wardlaw and Sheezel, Horne-Francis, Gulden, Ashcroft, Callaghan etc are all very high level players.

Owens looks like he has the most high end potential of all of our kids. He does things that look like when he puts it all together he'll dominate games and like the best players do. Plenty are ahead in actual output now though. I'd say Nas is ahead on actual output at this point. How much potential players have is a different conversation.

Wait til Mitch gets a year in the middle.

 

[Saintbloke]

What information do you have that would suggest Coffield won't be as good as he was?

Historic medical evidence for sports injuries

 

[CaptainRisky]

Historic medical evidence for sports injuries

30 years ago yes , not these days , most players get back to their best after an ACL

 

[Lore]

This was in the Darcy Parish thread on the Draft/Trading/FA board - if they are only offering $750k we should be going hard at $900k+.

Averages 31 touches per game and 8 clearances. Would transform our midfield in a heartbeat.

For your reference:

Essendon remains supremely confident Darcy Parish will remain at the club even as the Dons and his management remain apart on the deal that would secure him long-term.​

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Parish remains out of contract as a highly prized free agent with just 11 days remaining in the home-and-away season despite being offered a respectable offer.​

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The delay in him re-signing is because he is still keen for a better offer, even if the parties are less than $100,000 a season apart.​

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Industry figures believe he is worthy of a five-year deal on around $750,000.​

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Under coach Brad Scott and new CEO Craig Vozzo the Dons have been adamant they will pay their players fairly but are prepared to let them leave if they want to go for more money than Essendon believes they are worth.​

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It means if a rival wanted to pay overs for Parish the Dons would think long and hard about matching a free agency deal.​

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Essendon has vast cap space of more than $2 million, but is playing the long game and determined to spend it wisely as it assembles its list under Scott. Source​

 

[gringo2011]

Wouldn't mind any of those TBF. As a utility hard ball get beast. @ 19 Owens could be anything.

No disagreement from me. He's as promising as any kid we've had in 20 years. He has elite qualities for sure.

 

[pebblesofsand]

For your reference:

Essendon remains supremely confident Darcy Parish will remain at the club even as the Dons and his management remain apart on the deal that would secure him long-term.​

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Parish remains out of contract as a highly prized free agent with just 11 days remaining in the home-and-away season despite being offered a respectable offer.​

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The delay in him re-signing is because he is still keen for a better offer, even if the parties are less than $100,000 a season apart.​

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Industry figures believe he is worthy of a five-year deal on around $750,000.​

​

Under coach Brad Scott and new CEO Craig Vozzo the Dons have been adamant they will pay their players fairly but are prepared to let them leave if they want to go for more money than Essendon believes they are worth.​

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It means if a rival wanted to pay overs for Parish the Dons would think long and hard about matching a free agency deal.​

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Essendon has vast cap space of more than $2 million, but is playing the long game and determined to spend it wisely as it assembles its list under Scott. Source​

So Dodo - seems like Essendon are more interested in angling for a higher draft compo pick instead of making a reasonable offer to one of its better players.

 

[_Maximus_12]

offer parish 5x$900k and front load it with the freed up cap space from moving Billings, Jones & Howard
Stoke pile picks & bring in some kids
bring in Barrass at the end of next season as a FA with Hill coming off our books
Grab more early picks, rejuvenation complete. Flag 2025.
Easy as that lads

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

This is the list management thread, the point I'm making is that we need to stop overrating our own players on potential. It's the same crap that got Billings a four year deal and sees him sitting in the twos costing us too much money.

It isn't normal to miss as much footy as Coff has off an ACL. Before the ACL he was coming off a poor season. My point is we should be offering him a one year deal and no more, and if another side offers more and wants to take the risk on him he should go but why would we want to take a risk on a guy that for all intents and purposes is miles away right now and plays a position we have covered anyway?

We need to stop looking at our own players with rose-coloured glasses. Look at the sides at the top now. Look at Collingwood. They were ruthless with their own. If we are going to go to the top we need to be the same.

Yeah it's better to covet absolute spuds from other clubs like Constable & Dow while writing off our own blokes. Rose coloured glasses work both ways.

Collingwood horribly mismanaged their TPP & had to lose blokes that they didn't really want to lose. I can't remember them losing too many talented young players just because they suffered a serious injury.

Yes this is a list management discussion & we're discussing a player who is now rumoured to be looking elsewhere.

As for Billings... his extension is at barely above the league average.