List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part II

[Red White Black]

If we gave up a 1st rounder for Shiel it would be a failure of cataclysmic proportions, that would rival the worst decision, made by any football club, in the history of the AFL. Bar none.

 

[George]

I think Matt did a phenomenal job in the circumstances.

We can afford to spend more on the footy dept now because of his work.

Dunno about splitting Heads of Footy unless it was a List Management side (Gags) and a Footy Dept side (Rath).

Anyway, Bassat’s deeper involvement has changed the course of the club… now he can step back & let the people he put in charge go to work.


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More than doubled membership under his watch. Filled all sponsorship positions for the first time in clubs history. Redeveloped Moorabbin into world class facilities and relocated us back there. Commercially never been better. Put us on the path to becoming debt free for the first time ever. Rattling tin cans outside Moorabbin to this. Decrepit facilities with the roof caving in to RSEA Park.

You'd have to have a very, very basic understanding of the role of a CEO to think Finnis did a poor job. He's the greatest CEO the club has ever had.

Both mind numbing and hilarious watching the mental gymnastics to try paint him any other way.

 

[Fehring]

For anyone who's not sure, here's what Ralph wrote. Note that the article was all in the conditional voice (would, could)...

St Kilda gets a first-round pick (selection 13) or end-of-first-round (pick 19) as free agency compensation for Gresham.

Then a week later in the trade period they hand that pick or something close to it back to Essendon for Dylan Shiel

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Dylan Shiel

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.6

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

23.4

5star

K

13.6

5star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

3.4

4star

CL

6.4

5star

D

19.8

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

11.4

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

3.8

5star

.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Herald Sun is telling us and we're all panicking.

We would just walk away and get Gresh to the Hawks or someone if the deal was that bad.

Ralph even says he has no idea because it’s being kept secret. Don’t panic. It’s very clear our guys aren’t looking to load up on old guys just to help out our ladder position. We have stacked games into kids and could have played more mature guys at times. This will all be about draft picks and they have said that.

 

[George]

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This is the stupidest thing I've ever read

 

[heynow85]

Ralphy also said Henry was going to Hawks 2 hours before he nominated Saints

 

[Nutsngum]

Page 351 reminder that every piece of "news" and "rumour" at this stage of the year is basically hypotheticals and second hand information. Actual list managers and clubs are pretty tight lipped.

 

[saint66au]

For anyone who's not sure, here's what Ralph wrote. Note that the article was all in the conditional voice (would, could)...

St Kilda gets a first-round pick (selection 13) or end-of-first-round (pick 19) as free agency compensation for Gresham.

Then a week later in the trade period they hand that pick or something close to it back to Essendon for Dylan Shiel.

Id be FILTHY if that deal went through. Id rather Ess just pay him a normal wage and we get less compo

 

[austinnn]

Relax! No FRDP will be used in this deal. This is just the Herald Sun trying to stop legions of hysterical Essendon supporters flipping out and jamming the HS X accounts with Whhhhyyyyyy??? Posts Zzzzzzzz...

 

[Remboy]

.

The only problem with that article is they don't say that we're on trading Shiel to the Swans for Heeney.

 

[Saintsydney]

For anyone who's not sure, here's what Ralph wrote. Note that the article was all in the conditional voice (would, could)...

St Kilda gets a first-round pick (selection 13) or end-of-first-round (pick 19) as free agency compensation for Gresham.

Then a week later in the trade period they hand that pick or something close to it back to Essendon for Dylan Shiel.

This guy is surely going to have too look for a new job after writing this - This surely has to be a professional embarrasment that you don't shrug off ??

 

[George]

* me dead. Every year they find new ways to troll us.

All this garbage for a shithouse player. It's unreal.

 

[puppy_dog7]

Nope he said they will get 13 or 19 depending where compo comes in

How the hell does that work?

 

[Yawkey way]

Wow what a great deal. Where do we sign up. SOS might have a short tenure at this rate. Trying to outdo Pelican in the stupidity olympics.

Very short career for a few if this happens.

 

[Confuscius]

Either Dodoro has written that piece himself or it's just Ralphy doing what Ralphy does best (speculating without a clue)

 

[Verdun66]

Thought it was a Shiel salary dump, not a trade. In a salary dump they pay a fair bit of his salary, or give us a good pick to sweeten it. A bit like the Bowes trade. That can be the only thing we would be interested in.

We won’t be doing what Ralph suggests. Our blokes are not stupid. Money they save was also meant to up Gresham’s salary so we get R1 compo.

 

[gringo2011]

I might go for a wander to read the lols

Effectively 3 second round picks

Still ridiculous. They have no right to special access. Even Goldy only got some VFL shit and stuff they had to trade out for players.

 

[beside the seaside]

Still ridiculous. They have no right to special access. Even Goldy only got some VFL s**t and stuff they had to trade out for players.

North should be very happy with that. I reckon the AFL is absolutely cooking these packages by making it up as they go. Meanwhile we are punished for attempting to be semi competitive.

 

[Yawkey way]

I might go for a wander to read the lols

Effectively 3 second round picks

Still too much imo, absolute joke they get anything.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Ross Lyon - “we want to go the draft”
Jon Ralph - I can only assume St Kilda will trade a first round selection for a broken 31 year old

Good research Jon.

 

[Yawkey way]

100%, let him get a band 2 or 3 compo rather than that trainwreck of a deal.

Or match the bid and force a trade. Ralphy has lost his s**t.

Don’t kid yourself our idiots will be talking about this like it’s a huge win.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'm very happy to trade our first round pick for Shiel......












If....












We get their first rounder back.

 

[beside the seaside]

Ross Lyon - “we want to go the draft”
Jon Ralph - I can only assume St Kilda will trade a first round selection for a broken 31 year old

Good research Jon.

It also shows a basic misunderstanding of what Shiel is worth. It's quite bizarre that he's an AFL journalist.

 

[stavro#4]

Still ridiculous. They have no right to special access. Even Goldy only got some VFL s**t and stuff they had to trade out for players.

Still too much imo, absolute joke they get anything.

I agree.

But if you go read their thread. They have been pulling each others knobs and whipping themselves into a frenzy about all the assistance they’ll get.

They effectively got 3 second round picks.
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No Sanders.

 

[Joffaboy]

Don't think anyone is panicking per se, it is just that everyone is incredulous that Ralph would be either so lazy or so stupid to think

1) His suggestion of Gresham and pick 13 for Sheil would occur

2) anybody with a scintilla of intelligence would believe it.