Opinion 2024 AFL Draft - Nights 1 & 2, from 7pm AEST

[wolftone57]

I will not stand this slander against Harry Cunningham

That's crap Ted & you know it. McCartin is in the best 5 contested mark defenders in the comp. Cunningham is seldom beaten in a one on one. Rampe, the same. But if the mids are getting a shellacking then it is no longer one on one, the backs are getting bombarded with ball & blocked from marking targets. Find a way to win the mids then the back will do their job.

 

[rustycrate]

Calm down? It’s just a difference of opinion, is that ok?
He was ranked 26-30, by who? That’s just not true.
He consistently ranked outside of the top 50 in mock drafts and rankings.

Cal Twomey ranked him 30 in his final draft rankings.

 

[Kbroome]

That's crap Ted & you know it. McCartin is in the best 5 contested mark defenders in the comp. Cunningham is seldom beaten in a one on one. Rampe, the same. But if the mids are getting a shellacking then it is no longer one on one, the backs are getting bombarded with ball & blocked from marking targets. Find a way to win the mids then the back will do their job.

Charlie Cameron has only kicked like 4 goals on him in 6 matches. Even in the GF when Brisbane kicked 18 goals Cameron only kicked 1. So please stop because i could use examples of other small forwards that he has shut down

 

[Punts]

Harry is elite territory

 

[Bloods86]

Cal Twomey ranked him 30 in his final draft rankings.

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Phantom Draft is not the same as rankings.

Bowman was included in his phantom draft late because he'd heard of some late first/early 2nd interest from a few clubs. Most rankings that went beyond 30 didn't mention him until late if at all in the top 50/60. There were other medium forwards mentioned earlier however.

 

[bedford]

Phantom Draft is not the same as rankings.

Bowman was included in his phantom draft late because he'd heard of some late first/early 2nd interest from a few clubs. Most rankings that went beyond 30 didn't mention him until late if at all in the top 50/60. There were other medium forwards mentioned earlier however.

He still shits on everyone else

 

[Bloods86]

He still shits on everyone else

Sure, but my point is Twomey didn't rate Bowman Top 30, ever. Nor was he mentioned in his next best 11 he released in October. He did mention Davis though.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Sure, but my point is Twomey didn't rate Bowman Top 30, ever. Nor was he mentioned in his next best 11 he released in October. He did mention Davis though.

Twomey doesn’t do ratings.

Instead, he tries to figure out who will be selected where, based on discussions with recruiters, junior coaches and player managers.

To say Twomey rates or doesn’t rate anyone is folly. He isn’t a talent scout.

 

[Bloods86]

Twomey doesn’t do ratings.

Instead, he tries to figure out who will be selected where, based on discussions with recruiters, junior coaches and player managers.

To say Twomey rates or doesn’t rate anyone is folly. He isn’t a talent scout.

Untrue. He does power rankings all year, then a phantom draft where the club mail features more prominently. He also watches more games than most rankers, according to some on here.

 

[Bloods86]

Just watched Keane's presser after night two.

Not good listening if you watched the Port game or the grand final, echoing thoughts of others here.

Talking of wanting to change our "athletic profile" with largely uncontested players like Bowman, Bice.

Doubling down on speed, turnover, transition when asked which way the game was going.

Yes, that got us to a minor premiership, but didn't help us on the big stage, so let's just do more of that. Good for highlights reels and social media I guess.

Just have to hope, despite the possible intent of the club, that Mills, Sheldrick, Cleary have big years and Dattoli is a gun (if we continue to refuse to play others forward).

 

[liz]

Phantom Draft is not the same as rankings.

Bowman was included in his phantom draft late because he'd heard of some late first/early 2nd interest from a few clubs. Most rankings that went beyond 30 didn't mention him until late if at all in the top 50/60. There were other medium forwards mentioned earlier however.

Bowman's inclusion in Twomey's top 30 does indicate there was interest at that point from a few clubs, not just the Swans. If he'd only heard of interest from the Swans, he'd have given us Bowman at that second pick or excluded him altogether.

Who knows whether Bowman will prove to be an astute pick, or an AFL level player. We'll have to wait a year or three to find out. But Twomey's final phantom suggests we didn't 'reach'. That is, if the Swans wanted Bowman (which clearly they did), they had to pick him then.

 

[McRobie]

Cal Twomey ranked him 30 in his final draft rankings.

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Off the top of my head, Espn and Fox had him outside 50 and Fox had him at 86. I guarantee you I’ll find way more estimates outside 50 than inside 30.

 

[Tedeski]

Who says Florent can't defend? He did a pretty good job of it in most matches. Unfortunately, he and other defenders were caught out in the GF because the ball was coming in so quickly even Silvagni would have found it hard. If we win the mids it is far easier for the defenders. But that doesn't happen often enough.

All our defenders & players that have had roles down back, other than Rampe, & maybe Melican, were recruited as mids/wings/forwards. Florent, McInerney, McCartin, Cunningham, Blakey, Lloyd, Gulden, Roberts, Campbell, Fox.
They haven't got a natural defensive bone in their bodies. They exist down back on the basis of providing attack from defence. That's why we got smashed across every minute of two Grand Finals without offering a yelp.

Fox the only winner in 2022 on Cameron in an enormous effort.
One on one defending is gold. Beat your opponent each & every time. Like we were taught at Under 14s training by our wannabee junior coaches. We don't have those players. We have role players that depend on each & every other player doing their roles. Very easy to apply pressure to & pick apart.

 

[McRobie]

Cal Twomey ranked him 30 in his final draft rankings.

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Also that’s not his rankings, it’s what he was hearing. “Late mail”.

 

[Bloods86]

Of the top of my head, Espn and Fox had him outside 50 and Fox had him at 86. I guarantee you I’ll find way more estimates outside 50 than inside 30.

RookieMe mentioned him as one to just miss out on their 50.

 

[Bloods86]

Bowman's inclusion in Twomey's top 30 does indicate there was interest at that point from a few clubs, not just the Swans. If he'd only heard of interest from the Swans, he'd have given us Bowman at that second pick or excluded him altogether.

Who knows whether Bowman will prove to be an astute pick, or an AFL level player. We'll have to wait a year or three to find out. But Twomey's final phantom suggests we didn't 'reach'. That is, if the Swans wanted Bowman (which clearly they did), they had to pick him then.

He made the top 30 in phantom draft, not the Top 40 or so in Twomey's rankings (which in part would be based on everything he hears from all clubs, so indicates only a few clubs thought differently and rated him highly).

Maybe he heard we and one or two others were thinking late 1st/early 2nd as I already said.

Clubs obviously don't just abide by media rankings, that'd be nuts. But he's the classical definition of a reach, based on the info we use every year when discussing the draft.

Maybe he'll turn out to be a brilliant pick, but doesn't mean people have to pretend that he wasn't a bolter/reach.

 

[Jewelsbon]

If the Swans recruiters were town planners they'd probably decide Green Square needs more shitbox apartments.

That is a magnificent analogy!

 

[Bloods86]

All our defenders & players that have had roles down back, other than Rampe, & maybe Melican, were recruited as mids/wings/forwards. Florent, McInerney, McCartin, Cunningham, Blakey, Lloyd, Gulden, Roberts, Campbell, Fox.
They haven't got a natural defensive bone in their bodies. They exist down back on the basis of providing attack from defence. That's why we got smashed across every minute of two Grand Finals without offering a yelp.

Fox the only winner in 2022 on Cameron in an enormous effort.
One on one defending is gold. Beat your opponent each & every time. Like we were taught at Under 14s training by our wannabee junior coaches. We don't have those players. We have role players that depend on each & every other player doing their roles. Very easy to apply pressure to & pick apart.

I agree we need to turn more contested/defensive.

But to say Tmac, Cunners, Fox haven't got a natural defensive bone in their body is way off. And if not natural, who cares.

I can see Bice replacing Fox in the 23, which is scary. If we also see say Bowman replace a Campbell in the 23 at all, that's scary too (since he's actually a pretty good tackler when given roles/opportunity that suits it).

 

[tombomb]

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Max King​

Midfielder
191cm
9/1/07
Sydney Academy/NSW-ACT

Another Max King

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1.4

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7.3

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4.7

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2.6

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2.7

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0.7

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1.4

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looks headed for the AFL and this version is a bit different to the St Kilda key forward. King, who is tied to Sydney's Academy, has plenty of upside. He can move through the midfield, which given his height is a weapon, but he can also be a marking target in attack and he likes to fly for his grabs. Injury meant he didn't feature in the AFL under-17s futures game on Grand Final day but King is a watch to be a player recruiters have their eyes on next season.

Personally, I think he is definitely a key forward.

 

[tombomb]

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Lachlan Carmichael (Swans Academy/NSW-ACT)
Defender | 183cm | 27/08/2007

Another top performer at last year’s Under 16 National Championships, Carmichael has gone on with it and was a consistent performer for the Allies in 2024. He averaged 18.8 disposals and 5.8 rebound 50s throughout a full four-game carnival, nailing down his role as a primary distributor down back. While an asset in transition on the representative stage, his intercept prowess was on show in four games with the Swans Academy earlier this year, averaging 20.8 touches and six marks.

Noah Chamberlain (Swans Academy/NSW-ACT)
Tall Forward/Wing | 192cm | 21/03/2007

There is plenty of upside to Chamberlain’s game, and the Swans clearly rate him highly having debuted him in the Under 18 side during his 16th year. The mobile 192cm prospect presents as a dynamic marking target up forward but has also been exposed to the wing role, showcasing great versatility. He turned out twice for the Allies at this year’s National Championships, averaging 14.5 disposals and four marks – improvements on his numbers for the Swans Academy earlier in the season.

Max King (Swans Academy/NSW-ACT)
Midfielder/Forward | 191cm | 09/01/2007

A player with serious upside, King missed out on Under 16 All-Australian honours last year but has plenty to like. He dominated the Swans Academy’s preseason testing event with top five results across the board, pointing towards considerable athletic upside. He can play, too, utilising his mobility at 191cm to carve through stoppages and impact aerially when rotating forward. He starred for NSW-ACT’s Under 17 outfit this year, showing promise in a variety of roles despite missing out on the Swans’ CTL stint.

 

[Bonz]

Calm down? It’s just a difference of opinion, is that ok?
He was ranked 26-30, by who? That’s just not true.
He consistently ranked outside of the top 50 in mock drafts and rankings.

Twomey had him going at 30 and a possible as high as 18.

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Maybe his range for some people was in the 30's but our club could have had him higher on their own board (his athletic potential is definitely higher for instance).

And differences in opinion are one thing but I'm sorry but you are literally ruling out a kid before he has even stepped in the club, that is a vast overreaction.

He had a brilliant second half of the year and actually fits a need on our list.

I would have liked us personally to look at an Armstrong or Whitlock, but I trust our recruiters so will back us in from here. Plus the AFL is gradually moving away from talls (even the Port Adelaide recruiter mentioned this).

 

[Bonz]

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Lachlan Carmichael (Swans Academy/NSW-ACT)
Defender | 183cm | 27/08/2007

Another top performer at last year’s Under 16 National Championships, Carmichael has gone on with it and was a consistent performer for the Allies in 2024. He averaged 18.8 disposals and 5.8 rebound 50s throughout a full four-game carnival, nailing down his role as a primary distributor down back. While an asset in transition on the representative stage, his intercept prowess was on show in four games with the Swans Academy earlier this year, averaging 20.8 touches and six marks.

Noah Chamberlain (Swans Academy/NSW-ACT)
Tall Forward/Wing | 192cm | 21/03/2007

There is plenty of upside to Chamberlain’s game, and the Swans clearly rate him highly having debuted him in the Under 18 side during his 16th year. The mobile 192cm prospect presents as a dynamic marking target up forward but has also been exposed to the wing role, showcasing great versatility. He turned out twice for the Allies at this year’s National Championships, averaging 14.5 disposals and four marks – improvements on his numbers for the Swans Academy earlier in the season.

Max King (Swans Academy/NSW-ACT)
Midfielder/Forward | 191cm | 09/01/2007

A player with serious upside, King missed out on Under 16 All-Australian honours last year but has plenty to like. He dominated the Swans Academy’s preseason testing event with top five results across the board, pointing towards considerable athletic upside. He can play, too, utilising his mobility at 191cm to carve through stoppages and impact aerially when rotating forward. He starred for NSW-ACT’s Under 17 outfit this year, showing promise in a variety of roles despite missing out on the Swans’ CTL stint.

Chamberlain and King are likely the reason why we overlooked tall forwards in this year's draft.

Don't want too many of one type of player on the list (which is understandable)

 

[tombomb]

Chamberlain and King are likely the reason why we overlooked tall forwards in this year's draft.

Don't want too many of one type of player on the list (which is understandable)

Maybe.

It is a bit strange to me that we didn't trade for at least one extra future selection. Could be a real problem next year.

 

[SeanM]

I notice a lot of clubs were reaching with their picks.

I watched the draft with the top 58 consensus rankings list open. And I was removing players from the list as they were taken. (So I had an idea who was still available to us)

A lot of clubs were taking players that were ranked very late on the list. Or not on the list at all. So I think clubs would have different internal rankings to the list that the draft experts put out.

 

[Bloods86]

Twomey had him going at 30 and a possible as high as 18.

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Maybe his range for some people was in the 30's but our club could have had him higher on their own board (his athletic potential is definitely higher for instance).

And differences in opinion are one thing but I'm sorry but you are literally ruling out a kid before he has even stepped in the club, that is a vast overreaction.

He had a brilliant second half of the year and actually fits a need on our list.

I would have liked us personally to look at an Armstrong or Whitlock, but I trust our recruiters so will back us in from here. Plus the AFL is gradually moving away from talls (even the Port Adelaide recruiter mentioned this).

I'm not sure how many times this needs to be explained, but phantom drafts are not rankings.

Obviously our club had him high on our board, or we wouldn't have taken him.

There just seems to be people jumping to defend the club, based on things that don't seem to be true. i.e. that Bowman was highly rated by anyone outside a few clubs (or at least among the highest rated medium forwards). He doesn't seem to have been more prolific than a bunch of others, including those who performed well at a higher level. That's the main thing for me, he fills a need yes.

It'd also be easier to ignore, if this board wasn't filled yearly with nonsense reach claims about Ling or Stephens (neither were, maybe Ling by 5-10 picks at worst), then when a massive reach occurs, even some of the same people (not you) are hand waving this away as if it makes total sense.

I could defer to our recruiting team, but we passed up on some good players in 2022, or at least made no attempt until the rookie draft to look at our biggest needs, to grab Konstanty and then a speculative reach in Vickery (on a need) at the same point in the draft as Bowman. They are both gone within 2 years.