List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft - November 20-21 (Picks 13, 29, 36, 50, 94, 112, 130)

[Ford Fairlane]

Thanks to Lore for this great resource

 

[Ford Fairlane]

The old rule was 38+6.

Since Covid it is 38+4

Then CatB are extra. Hence why good cat B is incredibly valuable and if Benny sneaks onto our list as cat B we'll be stoked. It's also why the SANFL team has struggled that bit more to field a side as we've been playing with 2 less AFL players the last few years.

So if we missed out Barrett as a Cat B we should go chase an irishman

 

[Coobk001]

We ended the season with 1 too many players on our list, due to the mid season injury replacement of SPP by Logan Evans. Thus from the start of 2024, our list changes have been:

IN:
L Evans
Lukosius
Richards
R Atkins
Moss (Cat B)

OUT:
Houston
Dixon
McKenzie
McCallum
Clurey
Narkle (rookie)
Evans
Scully
K Marshall

That is 9 out, 4 in + a cat B.

That means 5 list positions available.

The position of our rookie list is rarely advertised, and we really have no idea who's on it, but unreliable sources seem to indicate that McEntee and Williams are somehow still on it, with Walsh.

We don't truly know how many spots are available on it, but it appears we have 4 main list and 1 rookie list spot. This is questionable though, as we have no idea if Logan Evans has gone to the rookie list or main list.

 

[PJ Power]

Seriously, I am gobsmacked that we wouldn’t delist Charleson and McEntee and replace them with two better small forwards from this year’s draft crop. Say Barrett and Bowman with another late pick.

 

[Coobk001]

So if we missed out Barrett as a Cat B we should go chase an irishman

From a depth perspective, and a competitiveness of the SANFL side, having players that are quality, and not just developing kids, like Irra, Frederick or Barrett, is a huge boost vs picking a kid from div 1 ammos. If Moss can also play, then happy days.

I'm really confident Benny Barrett will sneak through to the rookie draft so we can pop him on the Cat B list.

 

[TeeKray]

So if we missed out Barrett as a Cat B we should go chase an irishman

I've been banging this drum for a while now. It's such a cheap and low risk way to potentially uncover a diamond in the rough. We must be the only club in the league who hasn't had an Irish success story across mens or womens.

 

[davesnothere]

I've been banging this drum for a while now. It's such a cheap and low risk way to potentially uncover a diamond in the rough. We must be the only club in the league who hasn't had an Irish success story across mens or womens.

Id say there's likely one indigenous player gets drafted this year that isn't F/S

Plenty of diamonds in the rough on our doorstep.

I don't think there's lack of talent in Australia.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

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AFL Rules 2024

Yep. We have some flexibility with our picks.(and potential trading) Could be 3 plus 2, 4 plus one or 5.

 

[PJ Power]

Yep. We have some flexibility with our picks.(and potential trading) Could be 3 plus 2, 4 plus one or 5.

With so much vulnerability and deadwood still on our list (concussion prone Marshall, McEntee, Williams, Charleson, injury prone Jackson, a flaky Finlayson, Boak), we should be bringing in 7 players not 5, especially given the depth in this pool and us already trading out of a compromised draft pool next year.

I’d like 5 MD selections, Burgoyne and Barrett as a minimum.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

We also have Ratkins!

 

[Willsy10]

No one is trying to predict or act as if they have Intel when they do mock drafts lol

It's a case of rationalising a pick to a club. Not sure why you thought it would tell you who the club is targeting.

I’m struggling to see the point of them if it’s not actually trying to predict how it will unfold on draft night.

All I care about is who we are interested in, not what some random on the internets top picks are in a ranking order.


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[Ford Fairlane]

I've been banging this drum for a while now. It's such a cheap and low risk way to potentially uncover a diamond in the rough. We must be the only club in the league who hasn't had an Irish success story across mens or womens.

Daniel Flynn going home seemed to put us right off the idea. It was a pity too because he could have been a player.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Id say there's likely one indigenous player gets drafted this year that isn't F/S

Plenty of diamonds in the rough on our doorstep.

I don't think there's lack of talent in Australia.

I agree, but they're generally not going to be a Cat B option. Moss is worth a try, but we should go again with an international.

 

[Powerage]

Let’s find our version of Chris Grant.

Chris Grant was drafted age 16.

 

[240volt]

We also have Ratkins!

I’d almost forgotten, thanks.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Tobie Travaglia - still think if he's on the table at our pick, Parker is grabbing him just like another pick 13.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1253828...-u18-moment-getting-the-better-of-harley-reid

"I feel like the way I conduct myself at training and the way I go about things with my work habits and how competitive I am are the natural traits of me being a leader," Travaglia said. "I'm a vocal leader but also lead by my actions. I definitely feel going forward it's something I can definitely do in the future."

When it comes to the way Travaglia has played as a junior and what he has the potential to do in the AFL down the track, recruiters draw parallels with Will Day. Before Day became a Peter Crimmins medallist at Hawthorn, the South Australian was a skinny half-back from Sacred Heart College. Some thought pick No.13 was a high price to pay for Day. It wasn't.

 

[240volt]

Tobie Travaglia - still think if he's on the table at our pick, Parker is grabbing him just like another pick 13.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1253828...-u18-moment-getting-the-better-of-harley-reid

He looks sharp, the 50 wasn’t smart but it shows he’s got some passion about playing.
I like players that are all in not half arsed.
Looks like the sort that will definitely make it at AFL level.

 

[tribey]

I've been banging this drum for a while now. It's such a cheap and low risk way to potentially uncover a diamond in the rough. We must be the only club in the league who hasn't had an Irish success story across mens or womens.

And the one we did have potentially could’ve been Stynes-tier great.

That’s so Port.

 

[philthy05]

Dylan Alexander’s mock had Armstrong sliding to us, and us taking him. He’d be difficult to pass up if there and would set our key forward stocks up for a very long time.

I wish. Can’t see it when there’s 3 vic clubs with multiple first rounders before us in need of a kf.

1/100000000 chance really.

Really Richmond and melb have to make a decision, do they bite at 5 and 6 and look to mids later and chance that saints don’t take him with 7 or 8? In which case how do melb let him slide past 9? Unless they rate shanahan higher or something.

Really Richmond have to bite the bullet for Armstrong at 6, or watch him go elsewhere and look for another tall at 11.


Maybe shanahan might make it to 13?

It is implied in the suggestions we want to trade up from 13.

That would need to include at least one of them.

And I can't see any of our father sons or NGA being worth 36.

So if we want to select them then it would make some sense to use that pick elsewhere.

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None of our f/s or ngas are getting bid on in the top 36 so we don’t have to worry about those picks being eaten up lol. As others have noted, we haven’t even nominated them so we either aren’t going to draft them or we expect them to be there after the draft.

The reason we need a forward/mid in the Berry mould at 13:

1. We are in the premiership window- recruit for now

You seriously think a Hinkley team that wasn’t even remotely competitive in finals will be in a premiership window after losing one of our best and most important players?


In all likihood we’re a 7th -15th afl side for the next couple of years.

Berry is definitely one i'm coming around to, even though I still have him lower than most others do in my rankings. He does fill a need, he looks like a Parker pick.

Would still prefer Hotton if we are going for a small who can play forward though. His forward craft is very good and there is obvious midfield potential, plus I feel he will become the better player.

Eh, I still don’t trust small forward form from juniors and not so keen to risk a high pick on one. That’s pick 29 type stuff for me.


Thst doesn’t mean he won’t make it, but that there’s an elevated level of risk with these guys and given what’s transpired recently (dearth of picks thanks to trading them out for ready made players / losing Houston for pick 13 alone) I’m very nervous about that risk.

Also what’s the upside if that risk pays off as something less than an elite small forward.

Owies got traded for nothing. Can probably count on one hand the amount of elite small forwards in the afl despite the fact 200 have probably been drafted in the last 14 years.

It’s just a position where you’re either elite or not much at all.

Ah I don't see the speed being an issue tbh. For starters I think he's got plenty of speed around him, so someone who can hit a target is important. Endurance wise, I get your point and agree. But he's put in a tonne of work this year into his conditioning and has been able to run out games far better. He's a leader too (co-captain at Stingrays) so his work ethic is top notch. I think he can easily play in 2025 in a forward line tbh.

For me, it's between him or Dattoli. If you look at the positives, he can break tackles easily which is an important trait in modern day footy. He's not slow, he's just not ultra quick. But his disposals are usually very effective and up forward he's a marking target. He's tall but I wouldn't say, at least yet, that he's a big body like Jones.

The player you’re describing is a dime a dozen and not worth a lot. 187-191cm competitive flanker forwards, gee there’s a dozen in each draft.

We’ve got spp for instance, and his trade value is probably a 2nd rounder although with port you’re probably talking pick 40 something at best.

Hyne would want to be a genuine mid for me to be interested, and if the hope is he turns into a mid rather than actually already being a mid I don’t want to spend pick 13 on that, hell, 29 would be a stretch.

Both were, I couldn't convince myself to take a Half-Back at 13, just didn't seem like what we needed. I know there's an argument for Travaglia to move into midfield but that won't happen imo with us for at least a couple years.

Hotton there, but I think he'll slip on draft night too. I guess I went for exposed form over the small sample size + ACL. Club might have a different view on it than me but I for one am excited to see what Hynes would be able to do in that forward half. He's criminally underrated outside Victoria, now there's so much noise amongst Vic clubs.

Didn't allow trading in the mock draft due to difficulties, but certainly would've split the pick if I were allowed to. Just makes way more sense

Exposed form over hotton?

Does Hyne have exposed form playing in the midfield ? Hotton has shown he is elite at finding the pill in the midfield, has hyne shown that or is it guessing he can transition there after playing bit roles? Genuine question.

Seriously, I am gobsmacked that we wouldn’t delist Charleson and McEntee and replace them with two better small forwards from this year’s draft crop. Say Barrett and Bowman with another late pick.

Would be weird to delist Charleston after only just drafting him and him being injured.

Might as well let him have a run at it first.

 

[PJ Power]

Would be weird to delist Charleston after only just drafting him and him being injured.

Might as well let him have a run at it first.

We took him with a latish pick in a weaker draft last year and he has shown very little, even if allowing for injury.

Having said that, I would certainly move on McEntee before Charleson.

 

[Addy23]

We ended the season with 1 too many players on our list, due to the mid season injury replacement of SPP by Logan Evans. Thus from the start of 2024, our list changes have been:

IN:
L Evans
Lukosius
Richards
R Atkins
Moss (Cat B)

OUT:
Houston
Dixon
McKenzie
McCallum
Clurey
Narkle (rookie)
Evans
Scully
K Marshall

That is 9 out, 4 in + a cat B.

That means 5 list positions available.

The position of our rookie list is rarely advertised, and we really have no idea who's on it, but unreliable sources seem to indicate that McEntee and Williams are somehow still on it, with Walsh.

We don't truly know how many spots are available on it, but it appears we have 4 main list and 1 rookie list spot. This is questionable though, as we have no idea if Logan Evans has gone to the rookie list or main list.

The list of players I see says last year we closed out with 38 senior players (1 of which was inactive) and 5 rookies (LEvans has to be rookie because MSD are always rookies, he's signed up for 18 months). So let's start with the fact that we have 38 seniors.

Since then we have had the 9 exits you mentioned, 8 of which are senior. And then 3 seniors coming in. So net 5 out which is 33 seniors on the list, 5 to fill. Delisted Narkle so Cat A is now 4 and filled. Cat B, Moss is coming in so only 1 more spot left.

LEvans stays rookie. It's not unreliable source, Williams was re-rookied and then never promoted via the ND. McEntee was MSD and never promoted via the ND. Walsh was in the rookie draft last year. So these guys are 100% on the rookie list.

 

[Port 2004]

I've been banging this drum for a while now. It's such a cheap and low risk way to potentially uncover a diamond in the rough. We must be the only club in the league who hasn't had an Irish success story across mens or womens.

It is typical our regime. They lack courage to make decisions that count.

 

[Addy23]

Exposed form over hotton?

Does Hyne have exposed form playing in the midfield ? Hotton has shown he is elite at finding the pill in the midfield, has hyne shown that or is it guessing he can transition there after playing bit roles? Genuine question.

Hynes has played a lot of midfield for the Stingrays, not as much was Vic Metro but they had a star studded midfield and they needed a forward target so they used him as that. For the Stingrays, he was in the guts a fair bit, also evident from his highlights. You don't average 24 disposals and a goal a game across 15 games if he play purely forward.

So yes he's got greater exposed form than Hotton in my books. Hotton has greater evasive skills up forward whereas Hynes has better stoppage game and disposal. Fwiw I don't see Hotton playing much midfield time at AFL level, certainly not in 2025 coming off an ACL injury.

 

[philthy05]

Hynes has played a lot of midfield for the Stingrays, not as much was Vic Metro but they had a star studded midfield and they needed a forward target so they used him as that. For the Stingrays, he was in the guts a fair bit, also evident from his highlights. You don't average 24 disposals and a goal a game across 15 games if he play purely forward.

So yes he's got greater exposed form than Hotton in my books. Hotton has greater evasive skills up forward whereas Hynes has better stoppage game and disposal. Fwiw I don't see Hotton playing much midfield time at AFL level, certainly not in 2025 coming off an ACL injury.

That’s good, what elite traits does he have as a midfielder besides being big?


Regarding hotton, I couldn’t give a stuff whether a draftee is ready to play midfield in 2025 or not.

 

[Addy23]

That’s good, what elite traits does he have as a midfielder besides being big?


Regarding hotton, I couldn’t give a stuff whether a draftee is ready to play midfield in 2025 or not.

The ability to break tackles or at least get his hands free to dish out the ball, something people love in JHF, Hynes does that regularly. His disposals are usually crafty and effective. Imo he already has good midfield craft, has good strength to overpower opposition whether it be to break tackles or lay tackles. Gets first use and his handballs in tight spaces are probably second only to Reid in this draft. I would say he played 60/40 mid-fwd split for Stingrays this year so certainly not new to the midfield group.

Would say his defensive running isn't natural to him. Can lay strong tackles but defence isn't his instinctive move. Endurance has been questioned but by his own admission he's put in a lot of work with external conditioning coaches and recently said he will continuing that program in the offseason with a view to be AFL ready in 2025. Speed has been mentioned too as a downside, I'd say his average speed is fine but yeah doesn't have the natural top speed of some other mids but that doesn't worry me.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I'd take Hotton over Hynes every day of the week.

I'd be happy to grab Hynes after the first tier of players are off the board.