List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft - November 20-21 (Picks 13, 29, 36, 50, 94, 112, 130)

[Ford Fairlane]

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[Addy23]

Oh, I get what you're saying, your posts were incredibly confusing. Cat B is a spot but not really a main list spot, it's really a supplementary list spot, so you confused me when you were saying 6 spots, because really we have 5 spots we will fill. The 6th is not guaranteed, the Cat B spot will only be used if there is an appropriate category kid available. If Benny Barrett makes it to the rookie draft we will take him as cat B, if not, that spot won't be used.

"So net 5 out which is 33 seniors on the list, 5 to fill. Delisted Narkle so Cat A is now 4 and filled. Cat B, Moss is coming in so only 1 more spot left."

These were my exact words haha not sure what was confusing about this. But glad we agree

 

[Addy23]

I reckon Hotton has a very strong chance to eventually play midfield in the AFL.

He's super skilled and I think his kicking just needs some work.

He played midfield for Sandringham until his injury.

I think the difference of opinion we have on this might be because I have a certain type of midfielder I want which might be different to the type you want. I'm not saying Hotton won't be good enough, I'm just not sure he's the type we need in our midfield.

My view is I'd really like Rozee and JHF to rotate more up forward and so you need a ball winner in the middle. Which is why I'd go Hynes over Hotton

 

[Addy23]

While most of other clubs think Hynes is not worth a first round pick . The best he can be at 20th plus . On the other hand there is talk that Hotton or Berry can go even before our first round pick.

On the other side , Rioli is in his 30, So I do not see him going much longer . DBJ is hit and miss in forward line . I have not seen much of Richards . SPP is the only one who inspires bit confidence .The next in the line is Mcantee . It is ridiculous to think that we are well stocked in forward line . What makes you think that Hyned can be best 22 player in next year ? . If it is sake of picking midfielder we still can pick a decent midfielder with out other pick but we can not miss gun players like Berry or Hotton .

Yeah see I think this is a case of us viewing these players differently which obviously can and will happen. Firstly, I rate Dattoli over Berry. If you wanted a small forward with our first pick that can also go into the midfield he's who I'd be going with.

Secondly, I've explained before that I would like Rozee and JHF to rotate through forward more, hence a mid/fwd hybrid that can break tackles, win his own ball and deliver well is more important to me that one that's evasive and has average delivery like Hotton.

Berry for me will struggle in midfield at AFL level because of his size. We'll also have Barrett and have to back in Anasta and Charleson to grow into their roles. I don't see Berry as a gun, Hotton might be but I'm perhaps being more risk averse because of exposed form. There's also other traits I like in Hynes.

But come Pick 13, which will become 16, for me the choice is between Hynes, Dattoli and Shanahan.

 

[Addy23]

While most of other clubs think Hynes is not worth a first round pick . The best he can be at 20th plus . On the other hand there is talk that Hotton or Berry can go even before our first round pick.

On the other side , Rioli is in his 30, So I do not see him going much longer . DBJ is hit and miss in forward line . I have not seen much of Richards . SPP is the only one who inspires bit confidence .The next in the line is Mcantee . It is ridiculous to think that we are well stocked in forward line . What makes you think that Hyned can be best 22 player in next year ? . If it is sake of picking midfielder we still can pick a decent midfielder with out other pick but we can not miss gun players like Berry or Hotton .

The other challenge I have on this is, who's the midfielder you're taking later in the draft? For me the tall prospects are much more attractive after pick 30. Sims, West, Dennis, Gerreyn, Mraz, O'Farrell, Nicholls these are the blokes I'd be targetting with the last 2 picks.

The point of taking Hynes is because he can play forward too. The way I see it it's a debate between whether I'd like to see Rozee fwd and Hynes midfield or Berry Fwd and Rozee midfield. I personally would pick the former, you are well entitled to pick the latter.

I could live with the Hotton pick and understand it to an extent, definitely do not think we should be using our first pick on Berry. He'll not be going before our pick imo.

Saying all of that, my preference is still to split our pick. Get more value that way.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I think the difference of opinion we have on this might be because I have a certain type of midfielder I want which might be different to the type you want. I'm not saying Hotton won't be good enough, I'm just not sure he's the type we need in our midfield.

My view is I'd really like Rozee and JHF to rotate more up forward and so you need a ball winner in the middle. Which is why I'd go Hynes over Hotton

Hotton is a ball winner too.

Just because he's known for x-factor doesn't mean he can't win his own ball.

 

[MALTSY]

I’m hearing some good things there and some red flags too.

Like if you’re a power mid, by god you want to either have some quick steps / burst / speed or be a gut runner.
One or the other. Wines and Cripps are elite clearance players with elite workrate.

Jhf and petracca can break away from stoppages.

I’m not writing off hynes, just asking questions based around concerns I would have biting too early on him. There’s some interesting stuff there, he sounds much closer to a Willem drew / atley type project you pick up in the 30’s than a pick 13 tho.

Hynes doesn’t have quick steps or burst speed so I’m a little cautious. He reads the play well and has a nice sidestep, strong and good mark. Jake Stringer like?

 

[Addy23]

Hotton is a ball winner too.

Just because he's known for x-factor doesn't mean he can't win his own ball.

I don't totally agree with the statement that he's a ball winner in the centre bounce. He's someone who gets a lot of the ball because of his running patterns, speed and ability to put space between himself and direct opponent.

For me, Hotton was an early contender for our pick 13. But since then I've gone back to a lot of vision and given Hotton only played 3 games at CTL (which I admit were statistically top notch), I would've liked to have seen more of him. Maybe I'm just more risk averse with this pick.

So respectfully, this is an argument that we'll have to park aside because we have differing opinions on the player in question

 

[Addy23]

Hynes doesn’t have quick steps or burst speed so I’m a little cautious. He reads the play well and has a nice sidestep, strong and good mark. Jake Stringer like?

Said it before I think, Stringer like but better off-field traits in terms of professionalism and leadership. For me, he makes up for his burst speed somewhat by using longer strides and his strong core helps him break tackles with ease, I dont think he's slow by any stretch as has been made out on this board.

 

[davesnothere]

Hotton will be an elite mid if the knee is not an issue. It probably isn't.

I'm happy with him at 13.

Port split the pick and go tall with the first few calls but still need a mid?

Josh Dolan will go though the midfield and go forward.

Any pick 30 plus and looks better the closer you look. Could easily be the one everyone wished they picked up.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I don't totally agree with the statement that he's a ball winner in the centre bounce. He's someone who gets a lot of the ball because of his running patterns, speed and ability to put space between himself and direct opponent.

For me, Hotton was an early contender for our pick 13. But since then I've gone back to a lot of vision and given Hotton only played 3 games at CTL (which I admit were statistically top notch), I would've liked to have seen more of him. Maybe I'm just more risk averse with this pick.

So respectfully, this is an argument that we'll have to park aside because we have differing opinions on the player in question

I know Addy. You've got a hard on for Cooper Hynes. It's all good. Everyone is allowed their opinion.

Just having a chat.

 

[Addy23]

I know Addy. You've got a hard on for Cooper Hynes. It's all good. Everyone is allowed their opinion.

Just having a chat.

I don't actually. I have one for Reid. It's a shame our pick isn't in that range.

Everyone is allowed their opinion. I've already made that very clear on this forum haha, I'm more than up for a good debate. Like I said, I wouldn't be upset with Hotton at our pick and I know you love him. I would be upset with Berry.

I know we were having a chat and I didn't have any issues with it at all. Just didn't think it was worth carrying on when we have opposing views on the type of player Hotton is.

 

[Scodges]

Does Berry start above Rioli, DBJ, SPP and Richards? Maybe he does. But would I prefer Hynes play some midfield and let JHF or Rozee spend more time up forward while the 3 of them rotate in MID/FWD roles? Yes.

That's my opinion on it.

Rioli is our only natural small forward & a good one at that. Richards is an unknown, DBJ is a make shift & SPP is coming off a knee. He’s not really a (small) either. Yeah you can rotate mids, but we really need an elusive small stay home elusive forward. That’s my opinion anyway.


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[Addy23]

Hotton will be an elite mid if the knee is not an issue. It probably isn't.

I'm happy with him at 13.

Port split the pick and go tall with the first few calls but still need a mid?

Josh Dolan will go though the midfield and go forward.

Any pick 30 plus and looks better the closer you look. Could easily be the one everyone wished they picked up.

Dolan is in the same type as Dattoli, Hannaford, Gross. If we can't land any of those 3 with pick 29 (and if we don't pick Hotton with 13), then I'd go for Dolan with 36.

But if we picked Hotton with 13 then we need a midfielder at 36 along with Tall forward and Tall defender. I just don't know if there's a midfielder at that range that I trust, might have to risk it with Hargrave at some point

 

[Addy23]

Rioli is our only natural small forward & a good one at that. Richards is an unknown, DBJ is a make shift & SPP is coming off a knee. He’s not really a (small) either. Yeah you can rotate mids, but we really need an elusive small stay home elusive forward. That’s my opinion anyway.


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That's fair, I probably trust Richards more than most do here because I wanted him in the 2022 draft.

DBJ for me isn't a makeshift anymore. He had the most goals + assist combo and applies pressure. There's still Barrett that we'll pick and Anasta and Charleson that we already have. With McEntee included that's 8 small forwards. I agree with the argument that it's not all quality but that's not how the club sees it, unfortunately.

For me, this draft has plenty of those small forwards so using the first pick on Berry just feels to me as though it's not the best use of it. Of course, most people would disagree with me.

 

[Willsy10]

Berry looks pretty good to me.


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[Ford Fairlane]

Who slides will be interesting.

Richmond, St Kilda and Melbourne all have multiple picks before us. You would think Melbourne and Richmond will go tall with one pick, possibly St Kilda too now Membrey has gone. Armstrong and Tauru will go before our pick, possibly Shanahan and/or Trainor too.

If that happens someone will fall out of the generally accepted top 10 (excluding F/S and Academy) to our pick.

 

[Port2Power]

Berry is the ONLY way.

If you rely on Richards and speculative late round picks in Charleson and Anastasopoulos to miraculously have a breakout year I would like to have what your having!
Both of them were average or below average in their first season in the SANFL. They would ideally need 2-3 seasons to develop and be ready for AFL.
And McEntee isn't even in the equation.... delisted for sure next season.
DBJ is an average makeshift forward. Rioli is our only ELITE proven forward.

A small forward is a definite need and going with Dattoli, Hannaford and Dolan who our later picks would be stupid considering Berry is the next best forward after Kako that we could draft with our first pick.

Hannaford's 2km trial was extremely poor he would NOT be AFL ready. Don't even know why people are suggesting him. He came out of the blue later on in the year with some good games. But his running capacity is poor as proven in the combine.

Berry is ELITE. He was thrown into the midfield in the later champ games and proven to be able to win the ball. He's a two way runner can help out getting the ball out of defence, was the connection between the mid and forward lines on several occasions. His overhead marking is strong and marks like a taller player. I would use the later picks 29 onwards on mids like Hamish Davis and pick 36 and beyond on James Barrat and Charlie West with pick 50.

 

[all seeing eye]

Generally in the first rd most clubs just pick the best talent, later rds tend to be more needs focussed. There is alot of debate about who is the best talent available at 13.

 

[Addy23]

I would use the later picks 29 onwards on mids like Hamish Davis and pick 36 and beyond on James Barrat and Charlie West with pick 50.

I agree with this part of your post

 

[Addy23]

Generally in the first rd most clubs just pick the best talent, later rds tend to be more needs focussed. There is alot of debate about who is the best talent available at 13.

Think there's not much to separate the prospects between 15-25. At least that's how I see it. My 15th - 25th ranking could be the complete opposite of another person

 

[Addy23]

Who slides will be interesting.

Richmond, St Kilda and Melbourne all have multiple picks before us. You would think Melbourne and Richmond will go tall with one pick, possibly St Kilda too now Membrey has gone. Armstrong and Tauru will go before our pick, possibly Shanahan and/or Trainor too.

If that happens someone will fall out of the generally accepted top 10 (excluding F/S and Academy) to our pick.

Think Tauru goes to Kangas, I think Armstrong to Saints and Shanahan to Richmond is the way it'll fall. I think Travaglia is the likeliest to slide from the top 12 because he's a HB and more of a long term project into midfield.

 

[Addy23]

Berry is the ONLY way.

If you rely on Richards and speculative late round picks in Charleson and Anastasopoulos to miraculously have a breakout year I would like to have what your having!
Both of them were average or below average in their first season in the SANFL. They would ideally need 2-3 seasons to develop and be ready for AFL.
And McEntee isn't even in the equation.... delisted for sure next season.
DBJ is an average makeshift forward. Rioli is our only ELITE proven forward.

You really think we'll all of a sudden play with 5 small forwards in DBJ, Rioli, Richards, SPP and Berry under Ken? I just don't see that kind of change happening in 2025.

 

[SureBuddy]

Berry is the ONLY way.

If you rely on Richards and speculative late round picks in Charleson and Anastasopoulos to miraculously have a breakout year I would like to have what your having!
Both of them were average or below average in their first season in the SANFL. They would ideally need 2-3 seasons to develop and be ready for AFL.
And McEntee isn't even in the equation.... delisted for sure next season.
DBJ is an average makeshift forward. Rioli is our only ELITE proven forward.

A small forward is a definite need and going with Dattoli, Hannaford and Dolan who our later picks would be stupid considering Berry is the next best forward after Kako that we could draft with our first pick.

Hannaford's 2km trial was extremely poor he would NOT be AFL ready. Don't even know why people are suggesting him. He came out of the blue later on in the year with some good games. But his running capacity is poor as proven in the combine.

Berry is ELITE. He was thrown into the midfield in the later champ games and proven to be able to win the ball. He's a two way runner can help out getting the ball out of defence, was the connection between the mid and forward lines on several occasions. His overhead marking is strong and marks like a taller player. I would use the later picks 29 onwards on mids like Hamish Davis and pick 36 and beyond on James Barrat and Charlie West with pick 50.

Disagree on this one. Our small forwards are actually in decent shape now.
You are adding SPP and Richards to what we had this year. That gives us Rioli, SPP, DBJ and Richards. Chuck in a resting JHF or Rozee, we are perfectly fine.

 

[Addy23]

Disagree on this one. Our small forwards are actually in decent shape now.
You are adding SPP and Richard’s to what we had this year. That gives us Rioli, SPP, DBJ and Richard’s. Chuck in a resting JHF or Rozee, we are perfectly fine.

Glad I've got someone that sees it the same way I do.

The other way I see it is that I'd rather have an upgrade on Mead than an upgrade on DBJ. Hence why Berry is a no for me

 

[all seeing eye]

Best mid/small, Reid/Berry/lindsay/hotton - interesting that Reid and Berry are both around 181cm, but one is seen as small.
Best tall/ruck , luv Gerryen ( if Hynes slips from early 20s ,then maybe move on him here)
Best Taller Back, Baratt (unless Hannaford or Davis slip perhaps)
Speculative Tall, West/Nicholls ( must have strong contested overhead marking skills, not just lead up type)