List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft - November 20-21 (Picks 13, 29, 36, 50, 94, 112, 130)

[Ford Fairlane]

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[Scodges]

That's fair, I probably trust Richards more than most do here because I wanted him in the 2022 draft.

DBJ for me isn't a makeshift anymore. He had the most goals + assist combo and applies pressure. There's still Barrett that we'll pick and Anasta and Charleson that we already have. With McEntee included that's 8 small forwards. I agree with the argument that it's not all quality but that's not how the club sees it, unfortunately.

For me, this draft has plenty of those small forwards so using the first pick on Berry just feels to me as though it's not the best use of it. Of course, most people would disagree with me.

I’m hoping we pick up Barrett, a few posters here recon we may not.


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[davesnothere]

I'm still of the opinion that we are more likely to trade 13 than take a player with the pick

Really thinking that's the best option.

 

[Powerade 08]

Cooper Hynes = tote bag

Barrett taking part in our NGA program looks like hes automatically tied to the club, dont need to nominate like a father/son. Probably a 90% chance he gets to us as a cat B rookie.

 

[longdonkey]

I'm still of the opinion that we are more likely to trade 13 than take a player with the pick

That makes no sense at all. We have nothing use to trade up. And if we trade down we don't have enough list spots.

We will grab a guy from Vic Country. I won't bet my balls on it but I'm confident.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

That makes no sense at all. We have nothing use to trade up. And if we trade down we don't have enough list spots.

We will grab a guy from Vic Country. I won't bet my balls on it but I'm confident.

Can trade multiple picks in this year's draft such that we have the same amount of picks. I.e. 29 and 13 for two late teens.

Or can trade back and get some capital next year.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Luke Trainor (KEY DEF; Sandringham Dragons)

Port Adelaide holds Pick 13 — a selection it received from Collingwood (via Gold Coast) as part of the Dan Houston

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trade — and could yet deal it before or on draft night, but if it holds firm and makes a selection, Trainor is a more-than-solid developmental prospect in the back half. The key-position stopper averaged 19.8 disposals, 5.8 marks and 4.5 intercepts in four championships games for Vic Metro, and he shapes as an ideal long-term pillar in the back half, particularly considering the ongoing scrutinisation of the club’s tall defenders. If mid-sized backman Tobie Travaglia was still available at this slot — which seems more unlikely than not — he would surely also be a consideration for a team that just lost a dual All-Australian rebounder.

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[Addy23]

Can trade multiple picks in this year's draft such that we have the same amount of picks. I.e. 29 and 13 for two late teens.

Or can trade back and get some capital next year.

Or could just delist someone that won't be playing and take 5 draft picks. I would like us to split it too

 

[Port2Power]

Maybe maybe.


You know how many small forwards taken in the draft are averaging better than Dbj and spp?

To look at 2022 draft
Charlie Clarke , Darcy jones ,Jacob Konstanty all taken early: most of them cut, jones averaging well less than Dbj and spp.


It’s not only not a sure thing a small forward is an upgrade on spp and Dbj, it’s extremely unlikely based off of evidence.

Charlie Clarke pick 24
Darcy Jones pick 21
Jacob Konstanty pick 20

All these 3 examples you selected are end of first round draft picks. Berry isn't an end of first round selection. He is an Elite small forward and widely acknowledged as a the 2nd best forward after Kako.

If you don't select the best position player in the draft chances are they won't be performing as well as players with AFL experience and conditioning.

Example Nick Watson pick 5
25 goals of 18 games in his FIRST year as opposed to DBJ with 28 goals from 26 games.

Drafting talented ELITE players in their respective position is key

 

[Addy23]

Charlie Clarke pick 24
Darcy Jones pick 21
Jacob Konstanty pick 20

All these 3 examples you selected are end of first round draft picks. Berry isn't an end of first round selection. He is an Elite small forward and widely acknowledged as a the 2nd best forward after Kako.

If you don't select the best position player in the draft chances are they won't be performing as well as players with AFL experience and conditioning.

Example Nick Watson pick 5
25 goals of 18 games in his FIRST year as opposed to DBJ with 28 goals from 26 games.

The funny thing is, Berry is an end of first round draft pick according to many other than this board. If you think Berry is like Nick Watson then idk what to tell you. He's closer to Kade Chandler (who's still pretty good) than Nick Watson.

Both Cal Twomey and Rookie Me Central have Berry at 18 for a reason while you think he's around 5

 

[Port2Power]

The funny thing is, Berry is an end of first round draft pick according to many other than this board. If you think Berry is like Nick Watson then idk what to tell you. He's closer to Kade Chandler (who's still pretty good) than Nick Watson.

Both Cal Twomey and Rookie Me Central have Berry at 18 for a reason while you think he's around 5

Again your making assumptions that Im associating Berry with Pick 5. That is NOT the case.
Im giving an example of what an elite small forward picked up higher in the draft can do in terms of performance at AFL level compared to someone pick up later.

Thats ok if Berry is regarded as pick 18 but you fail to understand he is elite after Kako and rated as the 2nd best small forward in this draft.
Let me just remind you Berry came 2nd in the most goals scored at Coates league.

Hynes is not elite player in midfield or forward. No point drafting someone who is slightly above average and not ELITE at a position they play along with his aerobic capacity.

 

[Addy23]

Again your making assumptions that Im associating Berry with Pick 5. That is NOT the case.
Im giving an example of what an elite small forward picked up higher in the draft can do in terms of performance at AFL level compared to someone pick up later.

Thats ok if Berry is regarded as pick 18 but you fail to understand he is elite after Kako and rated as the 2nd best small forward in this draft.
Let me just remind you Berry came 2nd in the most goals scored at Coates league.

Hynes is not elite player in midfield or forward. No point drafting someone who is slightly above average and not ELITE at a position they play along with his aerobic capacity.

An elite small forward would be going around pick 5. So the fact that he's not in top 10 suggests the general consensus considers him not elite.

Just because he's 2nd best small forward, which I don't he is anyways, doesn't mean he's elite. I would much rather has Dattoli.

The fact that you think Berry is elite and Hynes isn't is funny. They're both at the same level right now.

 

[philthy05]

Charlie Clarke pick 24
Darcy Jones pick 21
Jacob Konstanty pick 20

All these 3 examples you selected are end of first round draft picks. Berry isn't an end of first round selection. He is an Elite small forward and widely acknowledged as a the 2nd best forward after Kako.

If you don't select the best position player in the draft chances are they won't be performing as well as players with AFL experience and conditioning.

Example Nick Watson pick 5
25 goals of 18 games in his FIRST year as opposed to DBJ with 28 goals from 26 games.

Drafting talented ELITE players in their respective position is key

1. That’s a pointless distinction to make. I showed a sample size where small forwards taken early didn’t go on to out produce Spp and Dbj.

2. Singling out one player that makes it doesn’t mean anything when I’m talking about the odds of drafting an elite player.

3. I’ve talked about small forward form in the juniors already. It’s incredibly misleading.

Sa has had an abundance of dominant small forwards in juniors the last 10 years and very little to show for it. Pickett and who? Corey durdin was tearing it up as a junior. ****, he wasn’t even playing juniors he was too good he was kicking goals against men, and how do you think he’s doing now. That ex crows nga that’s back in the sanfl. Shit I can’t remember his name. Was touted as a gun before his draft year. So many more.


Again, none of this means berry will fail (i genuinely like what I hear about him and haven’t watched more than a snippet) generalising doesn’t dictate individuals.

But there’s a larger risk when selecting small forwards early , and a lower payoff (as opposed to kfs which are high risk high payoff)

 

[Port2Power]

An elite small forward would be going around pick 5. So the fact that he's not in top 10 suggests the general consensus considers him not elite.

Just because he's 2nd best small forward, which I don't he is anyways, doesn't mean he's elite. I would much rather has Dattoli.

The fact that you think Berry is elite and Hynes isn't is funny. They're both at the same level right now.

Elite small forward don't have to be going around pick 5 is there some unwritten rule regarding this?

YOU don't have to believe he is the 2nd best small forward its the experts in the field who say this.

If you think Berry and Hynes are at the same level then you clearly are delusional.

One finished the season kicking the 2nd highest amount of goals in the league the other just happens to play 2 different roles just above average with poor fitness.

 

[Port2Power]

1. That’s a pointless distinction to make. I showed a sample size where small forwards taken early didn’t go on to out produce Spp and Dbj.

2. Singling out one player that makes it doesn’t mean anything when I’m talking about the odds of drafting an elite player.

3. I’ve talked about small forward form in the juniors already. It’s incredibly misleading.

Sa has had an abundance of dominant small forwards in juniors the last 10 years and very little to show for it. Pickett and who? Corey durdin was tearing it up as a junior. ****, he wasn’t even playing juniors he was too good he was kicking goals against men, and how do you think he’s doing now. That ex crows nga that’s back in the sanfl. Shit I can’t remember his name. Was touted as a gun before his draft year. So many more.


Again, none of this means berry will fail (i genuinely like what I hear about him and haven’t watched more than a snippet) generalising doesn’t dictate individuals.

But there’s a larger risk when selecting small forwards early , and a lower payoff (as opposed to kfs which are high risk high payoff)

Im not gun ho in wanting Berry with pick 13 he just fills a need especially with Rioli and DBJ approaching 30 and SPP coming of an ACL.

I'd be happy with picking the next best talent besides a tall forward or Cooper Hynes with pick 13.

SPP and Rioli I no issues with in the forward line. I never questioned SPP's role you just brought him up and mixed him in with DBJ. I have no idea why you did that.

I think we could upgrade on DBJ. You gave your examples I just happen to give you one.

If we got the chance to pick Bo Allan with pick 13 or a Travaglia I wouldn't hesitate.

The previous conversation was regarding Berry vs Hynes and you happen to come into this argument with your generalisation on why small forwards shouldn't be picked with higher draft picks but I cannot accept we pick Hynes over Berry.

What you say has its merits and Im not disagreeing with it just gave a different perspective.

 

[Addy23]

1. That’s a pointless distinction to make. I showed a sample size where small forwards taken early didn’t go on to out produce Spp and Dbj.

2. Singling out one player that makes it doesn’t mean anything when I’m talking about the odds of drafting an elite player.

3. I’ve talked about small forward form in the juniors already. It’s incredibly misleading.

Sa has had an abundance of dominant small forwards in juniors the last 10 years and very little to show for it. Pickett and who? Corey durdin was tearing it up as a junior. ****, he wasn’t even playing juniors he was too good he was kicking goals against men, and how do you think he’s doing now. That ex crows nga that’s back in the sanfl. Shit I can’t remember his name. Was touted as a gun before his draft year. So many more.


Again, none of this means berry will fail (i genuinely like what I hear about him and haven’t watched more than a snippet) generalising doesn’t dictate individuals.

But there’s a larger risk when selecting small forwards early , and a lower payoff (as opposed to kfs which are high risk high payoff)

Tariek Newchurch?

Yeah, I couldn't agree more that pure small forwards are a high risk pick. If we wanted a small forward at pick 13 I'd be going with Dattoli. Brings more variety, x-factor and versatility over Berry who's a tad one dimensional and will struggle in midfield.

 

[Addy23]

Im not gun ho in wanting Berry with pick 13 he just fills a need especially with Rioli and DBJ approaching 30 and SPP coming of an ACL.

I'd be happy with picking the next best talent besides a tall forward or Cooper Hynes with pick 13.

SPP and Rioli I no issues with in the forward line. I never questioned SPP's role you just brought him up and mixed him in with DBJ. I have no idea why you did that.

I think we could upgrade on DBJ. You gave your examples I just happen to give you one.

If we got the chance to pick Bo Allan with pick 13 or a Travaglia I wouldn't hesitate.

The previous conversation was regarding Berry vs Hynes and you happen to come into this argument with your generalisation on why small forwards shouldn't be picked with higher draft picks but I cannot accept we pick Hynes over Berry.

What you say has its merits and Im not disagreeing with it just gave a different perspective.

Berry at 13 is perhaps the worst option we could have. It's Shanahan, Dattoli or Hynes in that order. Shanahan wasn't available at that pick, there's other alternatives to Dattoli, and so I am going with Hynes.

You keep mentioning Berry scored 2nd most goals in CTL so let's do a statistical comparison to a bloke whose fitness is supposedly poor.

Hynes in a 70/30 mid/fwd role has 23 goals, averages 24 disposals and 3 tackles a game in 15 games

Berry in a 20/80 mid/fwd role has 27 goals, 15 disposals and 3 tackles a game in 14 goals

"Poor fitness" doesn't get you the numbers Hynes has dishes out this season. That's a myth. He only has 4 less goals having played 1 additional game in a role that's starkly different.

FWIW, our most important need atm is a Key Forward so if Shanahan is available we should pick him. Using pick 13 on a pure small forward is a waste.

I know we will never agree on this and I'm in the minority on this forum so let's move on. I'll concede

 

[Power freak 2008]

Considering Port traded in a small forward so they think had potential, I think the idea of Luke Trainor is more likely.

 

[Port2Power]

Berry at 13 is perhaps the worst option we could have. It's Shanahan, Dattoli or Hynes in that order. Shanahan wasn't available at that pick, there's other alternatives to Dattoli, and so I am going with Hynes.

You keep mentioning Berry scored 2nd most goals in CTL so let's do a statistical comparison to a bloke whose fitness is supposedly poor.

Hynes in a 70/30 mid/fwd role has 23 goals, averages 24 disposals and 3 tackles a game in 15 games

Berry in a 20/80 mid/fwd role has 27 goals, 15 disposals and 3 tackles a game in 14 goals

"Poor fitness" doesn't get you the numbers Hynes has dishes out this season. That's a myth. He only has 4 less goals having played 1 additional game in a role that's starkly different.

FWIW, our most important need atm is a Key Forward so if Shanahan is available we should pick him. Using pick 13 on a pure small forward is a waste.

I know we will never agree on this and I'm in the minority on this forum so let's move on. I'll concede

Every time I mention about Berry you happen to reply to me about him and how he isn't a worth pick 13 etc.

Thats how all this started.

Equally picking a mid/forward who cant keep up at U18 level who is above average at best is a waste.

 

[Addy23]

Considering Port traded in a small forward so they think had potential, I think the idea of Luke Trainor is more likely.

I would say there's a decent chance this happens. Tbh I would be considering him more strongly if he hadn't had 3 concussions in 2 years (from what I've heard). Given we already have Marshall on the edge, I'm not sure the club takes a risk.

 

[Addy23]

Every time I mention about Berry you happen to reply to me about him and how he isn't a worth pick 13 etc.

Thats how all this started.

Equally picking a mid/forward who cant keep up at U18 level who is above average at best is a waste.

Who can't keep up!? How many games of Hynes have you watched? Seriously

I also said Berry is a good player but isn't an immediate need for us over other positions hence why I won't pick him. I've also gone the same way with Dattoli who's my 3rd favourite player in this draft behind Reid and Tauru. It's a positional thing as to why I don't want a small forward at 13, I've got nothing against Berry. If he could play midfield like Dattoli did even then I might've considered him.

 

[Port2Power]

Who can't keep up!? How many games of Hynes have you watched? Seriously

I don't have to watch all his games when his manager openly talked about him needing/wanting build his running capacity.

 

[benblinkau]

They are actually on to something with Josh Dolan. Genuinely quick, good hands and uses the ball well. No problems seeing him as a pretty decent small forward. Any pick 30 plus is looking pretty good value.

He has a bit of Gryan Miers about him, but with a little more grunt. I was super keen on GM in his draft year.


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[PortAdelFC1997]

He has a bit of Gryan Miers about him, but with a little more grunt. I was super keen on GM in his draft year.


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Any messi-like traits like the scanning of the field with his peripheral vision?

 

[Willsy10]

Parker has been pretty good in drafts when he has had a decent hand, I’m pretty confident we will get some good players. Especially with our first pick. Most of our first round picks have been pretty good since Parker came on board.


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[Addy23]

I don't have to watch all his games when his manager openly talked about him needing/wanting build his running capacity.

If he's averaging 24 disposals and a goal without running capacity then Gee whiz the potential is staggering. But good you haven't watched all his games and are relying on his manager who also said that he's worked super hard this year and improved his endurance massively with private training sessions. That's the sort of drive and work ethic that recruiters look for