List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft - November 20-21 (Picks 13, 29, 36, 50, 94, 112, 130)

[Ford Fairlane]

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[It Just Is]

The Reid being slow thing is an interesting one - I've never noticed him to be slow at a level that it's really worth discussing. He's certainly not Dylan Williams.

In the preseason he did alright:

"His leg speed is not quite elite, though he nearly pipped the three-second mark for the preseason 20-metre sprint."

And Kevin Sheehan stated this about him on afl.com.au - "A midfielder-forward who has speed to burn which allows him to burst away from congestion and use the ball with precision."

Now I think he might be overstating "speed to burn" a little bit, but it feels like a bit of chinese whispers has occurred with regards to Reid being treacle slow or something.

I see him as a Darcy Parish type of player. A very good player in his own right but needs to be surrounded by the right midfield for maximum impact.

He’d be an awful draft pick for Fremantle, for example, when paired with Serong and Brayshaw.

 

[all seeing eye]

Not seen a phantom draft or mock draft with Burmeister at 36 haha that won't be happening

And Gerreyn at 61, more likely the reverse.

 

[Chizza12]

A lot of love for Reid, not in that camp personally. I’d take Gross over him if we want a mid, trade down option would work for this scenario.

 

[Rash]

 

[Rash]

Reid doesnt have the speed of say a butters, but he is probobly the highest IQ footabller in the draft, his manuver's in tight spaces like Robbie is absoloutely phenomenal, this outweights his aleged 'lack of speed'. He's speed is respectable still.

Someone mentioned eariler, Robbie would be watching himself play, whilst looking at vision of Reid. If he falls to 16, we are 100% picking him, unlesss there is a shock slider.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Reid doesnt have the speed of say a butters, but he is probobly the highest IQ footabller in the draft, his manuver's in tight spaces like Robbie is absoloutely phenomenal, this outweights his aleged 'lack of speed'. He's speed is respectable still.

Someone mentioned eariler, Robbie would be watching himself play, whilst looking at vision of Reid. If he falls to 16, we are 100% picking him, unlesss there is a shock slider.

Reid definitely has high footy IQ, that class you want in a midfielder, super hands, quick in close, puts the ball to advantage, does the fundamentals well but can be done tackling and uses the handball because he doesn't have that speed or power in the contest.

If he found some high twitch muscle fibres, he'd shoot up the draft. He needs to work on all areas of explosion.

 

[240volt]

You mean like 189cm Andrew Moore? 188cm Brendon Ah Chee? 188cm Aaron Young?

I thought I’d do an experiment and go to the 2015-19 drafts (so we can see the preliminary results) and see how big bodied mids (188cm +) did in the range 11-20:

2015- M.Kennedy (13) 188 cm
2016- J.Berry (17) 192 cm
2017- nil
2018- Hately (14) 189 cm; Collier-Dawkins (20) 192cm
2019- Day (13) 189cm; Cooper Stephens (16) 188cm; Kemp (17) 193 cm

That’s one hit (Day) and even then I would not class him as a contested beast.

Adding 2020-2023 with the same criteria you get players like Connor Stone, Finn Macrae, Max Holmes, Ed Allan, Josh Weddle. Whilst this group has time on its side still, the two best in this lot are yet to move into the centre square. What you don’t get after pick 10 is a Bontempelli, Petracca, Wines, Green, Cripps.

Point is- looking for a Wines replacement with pick 13 is likely looking for fool’s gold.

You look at Brisbane and there’s solid body players all over the field, what do we have in that department?
Answer is bugger all.
We don’t need another small first off when there’s more urgent needs that we should be addressing.
If you haven’t noticed when finals come around we are too easily pushed off the ball and out bodied by bigger and stronger opponents.
We just payed overs for a small forward as it is, we definitely don’t need another one.
The Carlton midget brigade went out of fashion almost 30 years ago.

 

[Grave Danger]

Is that Levi Ashcroft going the "shoosh" in a fricken Teal Cup/Talent League game? Tickets much?

 

[Rash]

Reid definitely has high footy IQ, that class you want in a midfielder, super hands, quick in close, puts the ball to advantage, does the fundamentals well but can be done tackling and uses the handball because he doesn't have that speed or power in the contest.

If he found some high twitch muscle fibres, he'd shoot up the draft. He needs to work on all areas of explosion.

yeah exactly,

This sparks the debate of Hynes or Reid if both available.

Do we want power, or do we want class.

Im leaning towards power.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Our picks from Sen draft

I tell you what, if it landed like that I’m Sheedy Jacket’ing for a week!

 

[carlfromport]

Any fresh whispers of us trading up?


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[Scodges]

For me trading in Richards and then using our first pick for Berry makes zero sense.

I recon Benny B, will turn out better than both these fools.


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[Acemanjam]

Wouldn't swapping 13 and 29 for GWS' 16 and 21 and targeting Hynes, Hannaford, West, Dennis, and Barrett. Take Burgoyne/Montgomery/Francou if we still have any list spots free.

All of those guys seem pretty tough in the contest which I wouldn't mind more of.

After watching more footage, I think Hannaford is the one I want the most. Not sure he would still be there at 29.

 

[PJ Power]

When I watch Reid’s highlights, I don’t see electric speed and line breaking, but rather high productivity, skill, class, evasiveness and a player who creates space and opportunities for those around him. Put that player around JHF, Rozee and Butters and good things will happen.

If we got Reid at 16, then strong choices for key defender, power forward and more of a goal-kicking medium-sized forward/mid with the next three picks I’d be very happy. Even moreso if we delisted McEntee and got Bowman as well with a later fifth pick (I get the feeling he’ll make it at AFL) and then still took Burgoyne with the rookie and Barrett with category B.

 

[Acemanjam]

When I watch Reid’s highlights, I don’t see electric speed and line breaking, but rather high productivity, skill, class, evasiveness and a player who creates space and opportunities for those around him. Put that player around JHF, Rozee and Butters and good things will happen.

If we got Reid at 16, then strong choices for key defender, power forward and more of a goal-kicking medium-sized forward/mid with the next three picks I’d be very happy. Even moreso if we delisted McEntee and got Bowman as well with a later fifth pick (I get the feeling he’ll make it at AFL) and then still took Burgoyne with the rookie and Barrett with category B.

Are we allowed to delist more players between now and the draft? I'm still a little unclear on the rules.

If we can, then I would 100% be opening up more list spots. I think REH(?) mentioned we should be cutting a bit more aggressively a while back, and I kinda agree. Bringing Ratkins in this year hurts us a bit, not sure if there is some 4D chess going on with that acquisition, but I can't make sense of it.

 

[rogerjames]

Evans certainly deserves to be promoted.

Would be disappointed in the club if they didn't promote him. His value was better than at least a quarter of our first team regulars.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Would be disappointed in the club if they didn't promote him. His value was better than at least a quarter of our first team regulars.

Probably closer to half but yes the point still stands

 

[Addy23]

Wouldn't swapping 13 and 29 for GWS' 16 and 21 and targeting Hynes, Hannaford, West, Dennis, and Barrett. Take Burgoyne/Montgomery/Francou if we still have any list spots free.

All of those guys seem pretty tough in the contest which I wouldn't mind more of.

After watching more footage, I think Hannaford is the one I want the most. Not sure he would still be there at 29.

This is my dream draft haul, don't think it'll be happening whatsoever. Hannaford may slide

 

[Addy23]

Are we allowed to delist more players between now and the draft? I'm still a little unclear on the rules.

If we can, then I would 100% be opening up more list spots. I think REH(?) mentioned we should be cutting a bit more aggressively a while back, and I kinda agree. Bringing Ratkins in this year hurts us a bit, not sure if there is some 4D chess going on with that acquisition, but I can't make sense of it.

Don't think delistings can happen until after the ND. But we could take 5 seniors on ND and then delist a rookie or 2 to grab another one or 2

 

[Addy23]

When I watch Reid’s highlights, I don’t see electric speed and line breaking, but rather high productivity, skill, class, evasiveness and a player who creates space and opportunities for those around him. Put that player around JHF, Rozee and Butters and good things will happen.

If we got Reid at 16, then strong choices for key defender, power forward and more of a goal-kicking medium-sized forward/mid with the next three picks I’d be very happy. Even moreso if we delisted McEntee and got Bowman as well with a later fifth pick (I get the feeling he’ll make it at AFL) and then still took Burgoyne with the rookie and Barrett with category B.

Absolutely. This is why I don't really care about speed as long as it's at a respectable level. Butters, JHF, Rozee have it in spades so if you put in a classy player like Reid or a creative one like Hynes it'll round our midfield out better

 

[Willsy10]

I recon Benny B, will turn out better than both these fools.


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Why are they fools?


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[Scodges]

Why are they fools?


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Tongue & cheek comment. We went above & beyond to acquire Richards. Then we may use our pick 13 on Berry, when we may have better right under our noses.


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[Ah12]

I see him as a Darcy Parish type of player. A very good player in his own right but needs to be surrounded by the right midfield for maximum impact.

He’d be an awful draft pick for Fremantle, for example, when paired with Serong and Brayshaw.

His decision making and skill execution with ball in hand is in another dimension to Parish.

 

[MALTSY]

There is no way that Reid will slide to us. He’s definitely top 10 material. We can dream though…

 

[davesnothere]

There is no way that Reid will slide to us. He’s definitely top 10 material. We can dream though…

No he's going to be there.

I will say it is bizarre but it's saying plenty about how even the draft is considered.

Those first 2 steps off the mark is the difference between Reid being pick 4 or pick 14. Coming around to the idea if Port pick him up.

Still think splitting the pick is the way to go and wouldn't be surprised if Reid being there gets us a very good deal.