Not sure about interest in national draft. Real interest will be in the mid season draft to see if we can pick up another Coulthard gem.
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Can you post the article mate?I really enjoy reading thoughtful well-written pieces like this…. Hats off to Jake
Like an expansion team: Tigers make history on day of sadness, rebirth
The player exodus means, like the former industrial, working-class suburb they hail from, Richmond will again be Struggletown. But on the measure of longer-term prosperity, the Tigers have absolutely cleaned up.www.theage.com.au
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If we are serious about pick 2, let's just consider what north would be thinking:
- if I were them, I'd only trade 2 if I could get back 6 from us, thus they could lock in either Tauru or Armstrong. There's no guarantee either player could still be available at 10.
- North will be under huge media pressure to trade back, it'd be a disaster for them to pick up another mid at 2 rather than get a pair of high quality talls by splitting their pick. On the other hand, we would be happy to hold our place or move up, we win either way. Giving us the leverage.
Therefore, I'd hold firm and offer north pick 6 and 18 for 2, or leave it altogether.
From North's perspective that would be more positively received than using their pick 2, because they could get Tauru/Armstrong with 6 and then another tall such as Shanahan/Faul/Whitlock at 18.
They will ask for some combination of 6, 10 and 11, but we shouldn't fall for it. Hold firm, and don't budge.
Considering the evenness of the draft, 6 and 18 is still an advantageous outcome for them, as opposed to using their number 2 pick on a mid.
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- if I were them, I'd only trade 2 if I could get back 6 from us, thus they could lock in either Tauru or Armstrong. There's no guarantee either player could still be available at 10.
- North will be under huge media pressure to trade back, it'd be a disaster for them to pick up another mid at 2 rather than get a pair of high quality talls by splitting their pick. On the other hand, we would be happy to hold our place or move up, we win either way. Giving us the leverage.
Therefore, I'd hold firm and offer north pick 6 and 18 for 2, or leave it altogether.
From North's perspective that would be more positively received than using their pick 2, because they could get Tauru/Armstrong with 6 and then another tall such as Shanahan/Faul/Whitlock at 18.
They will ask for some combination of 6, 10 and 11, but we shouldn't fall for it. Hold firm, and don't budge.
Considering the evenness of the draft, 6 and 18 is still an advantageous outcome for them, as opposed to using their number 2 pick on a mid.
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Like an expansion team: Tigers make history on day of sadness, rebirth
By Jake Niall
October 16, 2024 — 8.39pm
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To lose three players, in their primes, during one post-season after a host of decorated veterans have retired, is unusual, but not unprecedented.
But to emerge with eight draft choices inside the top 25 - five of them created by the crisis of losing those key players – is unparalleled in the AFL’s modern model of a draft system.
2025 shapes as a tough year for the Tigers after the departure of several key players, but their draft hand should give fans optimism for the future.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
On the measure of immediate prospects, Richmond will once again be Struggletown, the name given to the former industrial, working class suburb that gave birth to the Tigers. They will do well to win more than half a dozen games next year or to make finals any earlier than 2027.
On the measure of longer-term prosperity, however, Richmond has absolutely cleaned up.
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Their draft haul is comparable to the largesse that was handed to expansion clubs, Gold Coast and GWS, when they entered the competition, with the critical difference that they will be adding these talented draftees to an established, powerful club rather than a fledgling operation.
And while they have a list that has lost Trent Cotchin and most of their triple premiership core, they will be adding those teenagers – callow midfielders, key positions and flankers – to pretty reasonable remnants, such as Tom Lynch, Nick Vlastuin, Nathan Broad, Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Jayden Short and Noah Balta, the latter having just signed a seven-year contract extension.
If Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper didn’t sign up for a rebuild of this magnitude, they can now dream that, like Luke Breust, James Sicily and Jack Gunston at Hawthorn, they will see finals again once these youngsters have been together for three full seasons.
So, if Richmond fans lost heart during 2024 – watching the final stages of a crumbling dynasty, as Dusty Martin and Brendon Gale exited and then premiership heroes Daniel Rioli, Liam Baker and Shai Bolton headed home (Perth) or found new digs on the Gold Coast alongside Damien Hardwick – they should begin 2025 with revived spirits.
The path forward is clear. As the club’s head of list management Blair Hartley noted, they have various options for using those prized draft choices, which comprise picks 1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20, 23 and 24.
Hartley said the Tigers “wouldn’t rule out anything” in terms of trading picks on the night of the draft, or spreading their bets by trading some of this hand into 2025.
Richmond’s general manager of football Blair Hartley will have a prominent role at the national draft.CREDIT: AFL PHOTOS VIA GETTY IMAGES
“Patience is required, but we’re really excited by what’s to come,” he said, adding that this regeneration process at Richmond “will take time, but people understand that.”
As Hawthorn has shown, the Tigers will soon become attractive to free agents and mature players who fit their needs once their youngsters make the great leap forward in development.
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In the space of 12 months, Hawthorn went from being derided as irrelevant to a team that attracted Josh Battle and Tom Barrass (who finally got to the Hawks at the buzzer).
Hartley, one of the AFL’s most well-regarded football operators, is not given to outward displays of emotion, and if he played poker his hand wouldn’t be easily discerned from his expression.
But at the conclusion of his media conference, Hartley did show the emotion that had been welling up, pressing against the dam in recent weeks as he and the Tigers dealt with the awful cancer that afflicted their popular recruiting manager Chris Toce.
Hartley ended by paying tribute to “the Toce family” – a reference to the tragic passing of their recruiting boss, who had died on the same day, October 16, that will be remembered as a rebirth of sorts for Richmond.
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Toce, who had filled the same role at St Kilda and worked at Collingwood in recruiting, had been coming in to the office to assist Hartley in preparing for what will be the most consequential draft at Richmond since? Take your pick, so to speak, between the 2009 draft when Dustin Martin arrived, the 2007 draft that yielded Cotchin and Alex Rance or the 2006 version that netted Jack Riewoldt and Shane Edwards.
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The man who helmed the draft in those seminal seasons, Francis Jackson, had increased his presence with the Tigers to assist Hartley in recent weeks, Toce having remained active in the assessing of talent, coding games right up until a matter of a few weeks ago.
He would, as the Tigers said, have a major mark on the draft of 2024. That draft class – whether it comprises eight or six or seven youngsters from around the country – will define the next phase of the storied Richmond Football Club.
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Like an expansion team: Tigers make history on day of sadness, rebirth
By Jake Niall
October 16, 2024 — 8.39pmSave
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To lose three players, in their primes, during one post-season after a host of decorated veterans have retired, is unusual, but not unprecedented.
But to emerge with eight draft choices inside the top 25 - five of them created by the crisis of losing those key players – is unparalleled in the AFL’s modern model of a draft system.
2025 shapes as a tough year for the Tigers after the departure of several key players, but their draft hand should give fans optimism for the future.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
On the measure of immediate prospects, Richmond will once again be Struggletown, the name given to the former industrial, working class suburb that gave birth to the Tigers. They will do well to win more than half a dozen games next year or to make finals any earlier than 2027.
On the measure of longer-term prosperity, however, Richmond has absolutely cleaned up.
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Their draft haul is comparable to the largesse that was handed to expansion clubs, Gold Coast and GWS, when they entered the competition, with the critical difference that they will be adding these talented draftees to an established, powerful club rather than a fledgling operation.
And while they have a list that has lost Trent Cotchin and most of their triple premiership core, they will be adding those teenagers – callow midfielders, key positions and flankers – to pretty reasonable remnants, such as Tom Lynch, Nick Vlastuin, Nathan Broad, Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Jayden Short and Noah Balta, the latter having just signed a seven-year contract extension.
If Tim Taranto and Jacob Hopper didn’t sign up for a rebuild of this magnitude, they can now dream that, like Luke Breust, James Sicily and Jack Gunston at Hawthorn, they will see finals again once these youngsters have been together for three full seasons.
So, if Richmond fans lost heart during 2024 – watching the final stages of a crumbling dynasty, as Dusty Martin and Brendon Gale exited and then premiership heroes Daniel Rioli, Liam Baker and Shai Bolton headed home (Perth) or found new digs on the Gold Coast alongside Damien Hardwick – they should begin 2025 with revived spirits.
The path forward is clear. As the club’s head of list management Blair Hartley noted, they have various options for using those prized draft choices, which comprise picks 1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20, 23 and 24.
Hartley said the Tigers “wouldn’t rule out anything” in terms of trading picks on the night of the draft, or spreading their bets by trading some of this hand into 2025.
Richmond’s general manager of football Blair Hartley will have a prominent role at the national draft.CREDIT: AFL PHOTOS VIA GETTY IMAGES
“Patience is required, but we’re really excited by what’s to come,” he said, adding that this regeneration process at Richmond “will take time, but people understand that.”
As Hawthorn has shown, the Tigers will soon become attractive to free agents and mature players who fit their needs once their youngsters make the great leap forward in development.
Advertisement
In the space of 12 months, Hawthorn went from being derided as irrelevant to a team that attracted Josh Battle and Tom Barrass (who finally got to the Hawks at the buzzer).
Hartley, one of the AFL’s most well-regarded football operators, is not given to outward displays of emotion, and if he played poker his hand wouldn’t be easily discerned from his expression.
But at the conclusion of his media conference, Hartley did show the emotion that had been welling up, pressing against the dam in recent weeks as he and the Tigers dealt with the awful cancer that afflicted their popular recruiting manager Chris Toce.
Hartley ended by paying tribute to “the Toce family” – a reference to the tragic passing of their recruiting boss, who had died on the same day, October 16, that will be remembered as a rebirth of sorts for Richmond.
Advertisement
Toce, who had filled the same role at St Kilda and worked at Collingwood in recruiting, had been coming in to the office to assist Hartley in preparing for what will be the most consequential draft at Richmond since? Take your pick, so to speak, between the 2009 draft when Dustin Martin arrived, the 2007 draft that yielded Cotchin and Alex Rance or the 2006 version that netted Jack Riewoldt and Shane Edwards.
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The man who helmed the draft in those seminal seasons, Francis Jackson, had increased his presence with the Tigers to assist Hartley in recent weeks, Toce having remained active in the assessing of talent, coding games right up until a matter of a few weeks ago.He would, as the Tigers said, have a major mark on the draft of 2024. That draft class – whether it comprises eight or six or seven youngsters from around the country – will define the next phase of the storied Richmond Football Club.
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If hypothetically we used all 8 picks which I doubt we would I’d love to somehow manage to get any sort of combination of these in no particular order or pick just would be nice to have a choice of them at each pick of ours.
Lalor/Fos
Jagga/Reid
Travaglia/Lindsay
Dattoli/Berry
Gerryn/Faull
Hotton/Allen
Hynes/Langford
Sims/J.Whitlock
For some reason I’d love Lalor and Dattoli in our side as I reckon they would wax perfectly in our side and even Draper I just don’t think he will be in our calculations.
Lalor/Fos
Jagga/Reid
Travaglia/Lindsay
Dattoli/Berry
Gerryn/Faull
Hotton/Allen
Hynes/Langford
Sims/J.Whitlock
For some reason I’d love Lalor and Dattoli in our side as I reckon they would wax perfectly in our side and even Draper I just don’t think he will be in our calculations.
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Pick #1 Lalor …. Lock it in
Make no mistake about it, North needs to split their pick more than we need their pick.
Everyone knows how deep the draft is and we keep hearing how it's "so even", "no clear #1", "no clear top 5" etc.
They have pick 2 and nothing else.
We hold all the power here and all Blair needs to do is what he's done during the whole trade period - sit back and wait for them to come to us.
Everyone knows how deep the draft is and we keep hearing how it's "so even", "no clear #1", "no clear top 5" etc.
They have pick 2 and nothing else.
We hold all the power here and all Blair needs to do is what he's done during the whole trade period - sit back and wait for them to come to us.
I would think they have to split pick 2 with someone (a team must have a minimum of 3 picks). The way I see it, it’s either us or St.Kilda. If it’s the Saints we have to threaten to pick up someone like Tauru at 6 even if it’s a bluff. So pick 6 and 18 or 20 for pick 2.
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F 2 we have a good hand just use them. A lot of the time if you try hard for someone it turns to turd. just pick the best available when your turn comes. I mean we lost so many players we need stock not losing picks.
Wonder if Carlton pick Draper at 3, would Adelaide considering dropping down?
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Swap our pick 24
For power Pick 29 and 50
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What are north options its trade pick #2 or Trade F1 which they will only get a pick around 15 as next years draft is not as good and teams will be thinking with another year's growth and some experience in the side they will move upto 7-9 wins and their pick could be 7-9 in a weaker draft with many academy picks - so that's not really desirable .
Pick #2 is there only chance to get multiple decent picks in a good draft
St Kilda - 7 , 8 , 32 , 47 This wont happen as its way too much to give and north wont want future picks
Melbourne - 5 , 9 This wont happen as its way too much to give and north wont want future picks
GWS - 15 , 16 , 21 , 37 This also wont happen as they could do the richmond trade and ger #6 and still do this with pick #6 and end up with 15,16,21 for pick #6
Richmond - This is a very simple choice and the only choice for north to get the best possible trade imo
Pick #11 , #20 , #23 or #6 + #18 pick #6 + #18 is the better choice for them as it gives them the option to use both or trade # to GWS for #15,#16,#21 and also have #18
If North prefer say #10 & #11 i would be reluctant do this but not totally against in if it was #2 + F1 for #10 , #11 , #23
This would then leave Richmond with #1 , #2 , #6 , #18 , #20 , #24 + North F1. Then this opens up other options
Richmond could then after selecting FOS & Lalor decide to trade out #6 to GWS for #14 , #16 , #21 leaving us with
#1 , #2 , #15 , #16 , #18 , #20 , #21 , #23 , #24 this scenario is only good if we have teams lining up to trade F1's and we want to spread the picks over 2 years.
Taking #1 , #2 , #15 , #16 , #18 , #20 in 2024 and trading #21 , #23 , #24 into future 1st rounders
This way we take the 2 cream players we want and 4 picks where the drat is the most even between 10-25 and have 4 1st rounders in 2025
There are alot more options now
Pick #2 is there only chance to get multiple decent picks in a good draft
St Kilda - 7 , 8 , 32 , 47 This wont happen as its way too much to give and north wont want future picks
Melbourne - 5 , 9 This wont happen as its way too much to give and north wont want future picks
GWS - 15 , 16 , 21 , 37 This also wont happen as they could do the richmond trade and ger #6 and still do this with pick #6 and end up with 15,16,21 for pick #6
Richmond - This is a very simple choice and the only choice for north to get the best possible trade imo
Pick #11 , #20 , #23 or #6 + #18 pick #6 + #18 is the better choice for them as it gives them the option to use both or trade # to GWS for #15,#16,#21 and also have #18
If North prefer say #10 & #11 i would be reluctant do this but not totally against in if it was #2 + F1 for #10 , #11 , #23
This would then leave Richmond with #1 , #2 , #6 , #18 , #20 , #24 + North F1. Then this opens up other options
Richmond could then after selecting FOS & Lalor decide to trade out #6 to GWS for #14 , #16 , #21 leaving us with
#1 , #2 , #15 , #16 , #18 , #20 , #21 , #23 , #24 this scenario is only good if we have teams lining up to trade F1's and we want to spread the picks over 2 years.
Taking #1 , #2 , #15 , #16 , #18 , #20 in 2024 and trading #21 , #23 , #24 into future 1st rounders
This way we take the 2 cream players we want and 4 picks where the drat is the most even between 10-25 and have 4 1st rounders in 2025
There are alot more options now
So many options and you got to look ahead….realistically we may finish last next year that’s potentially Dyson Sharp pairing up with a Laylor/FOS/Jagga or both if we trade up this year so quite a good dilemma to have
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