List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - The Final Countdown

[Rich01]

I think perhaps you did the sensitive twin thing and just interviewed the both of them to not hurt one of theirs feelings of being left out

Haha, there is a bit of truth to that when club recruiters go out to see them!

 

[blaisee]

Character character character

Three most important traits of all potential draftees

AFL is a hard gig, have to give 100% to make it no matter how talented you are

Those that don’t have it will slide , those who have it will rise

All will be revealed in draft night

 

[_RT_]

Noah Mraz?

We are down a Noah so why not

 

[Shinrisker]

Bo is not just a HBF, if he was why would we bother?

It's like saying Lalor is a forward pocket, Allen was in the mid in WAFL seniors and all of the champs

 

[Rich01]

It's like saying Lalor is a forward pocket, Allen was in the mid in WAFL seniors and all of the champs

Allan was serviceable in the WAFL. Hardly the best mid.

 

[Noidnadroj]

what KPP's have they drafted???

Looks like part of their success is not having to draft KPP's especially tall ones

Huh? This is just the national draft from 2016 (not rookie, PSD etc…)

Pick 43 Esava = 197cm
Pick 69 Abbott = 200cm
Pick 65 Darcy Fort = 204cm
Pick 19 SDK = 204cm
Pick 33 Neale = 203cm
Pick 24 Conway = 206cm
Pick 11 O’Sullivan = 198cm
Pick 52 Foster = 197cm
Pick 32 Edwards = 206cm

So 9 x picks in 8 x drafts OVER 197cm.

As a comparison, since 2016 in national draft we’ve taken:

Pick 17 CCJ : 200cm
Pick 25 Balta : 194cm
Pick 63 Miller : 198cm
Pick 54 Nyuon: 197cm
Pick 40 Ryan : 206cm
Pick 9 Gibcus : 196cm
Pick 43 Fawcett : 197cm

So 7 x 194cm+.

I can’t be bothered checking other teams, but would imagine there’d be very few if any who’ve taken more than 9 x players in the national draft 197cm+ since 2016.

So they’ve actually drafted a shirtload of KPP’s … especially ‘tall ones’.


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[Mr Magic]

It's like saying Lalor is a forward pocket, Allen was in the mid in WAFL seniors and all of the champs

???


want happens before draft is just a presentation, what players can and cannot do, all variables have not been explored, Ideally you watch players and see what they could do apart from what they are doing because the development area before the draft does not have the time and resources to extend players all sceanarios where they fully exploit there talents especially within a fully professional team scenario

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

The more I think about it the more I reckon the tigers are not going to go the way we all think. I reckon they'll be thinking the Lalor/Smilie combo is too high risk - both players are relatively high chances of being a bust. Both have massive ceilings but they are far from being guaranteed good quality players at AFL level. I reckon they'll either go Jagga at 1 OR planning to trade to get 2 so they can get a Jagga/Lalor combo to offset the risk.
This is taking up way too much of my headspace.

We still have next year to sort things out Draft wise...and then there is the Tassy hurdle to overcome...
Keep that headspace cleared!

 

[Mr Magic]

Huh? This is just the national draft from 2016 (not rookie, PSD etc…)

Pick 43 Esava = 197cm
Pick 69 Abbott = 200cm
Pick 65 Darcy Fort = 204cm
Pick 19 SDK = 204cm
Pick 33 Neale = 203cm
Pick 24 Conway = 206cm
Pick 11 O’Sullivan = 198cm
Pick 52 Foster = 197cm
Pick 32 Edwards = 206cm

So 9 x picks in 8 x drafts OVER 197cm.

As a comparison, since 2016 in national draft we’ve taken:

Pick 17 CCJ : 200cm
Pick 25 Balta : 194cm
Pick 63 Miller : 198cm
Pick 54 Nyuon: 197cm
Pick 40 Ryan : 206cm
Pick 9 Gibcus : 196cm
Pick 43 Fawcett : 197cm

So 7 x 194cm+.

I can’t be bothered checking other teams, but would imagine there’d be very few if any who’ve taken more than 9 x players in the national draft 197cm+ since 2016.

So they’ve actually drafted a shirtload of KPP’s … especially ‘tall ones’.


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lets go through them

pick 52 is a throwaway pick

as is 69 and 65

a lot of those are rucks, including SDK in terms of height above 200cm

the only one is 11 at O'Sullivan recently

 

[Noidnadroj]

has there ever been a set of twins that were good in cfl history

steer clear

Yes. A lot.


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[Phar Ace]

nah there is a different way.


If FOS gets to 5, which seems to be a chance.

Trade our future first 2025 to Melbourne for 5 and 9 and say to Melbourne, YZE can say it, we are playing the kids we are very likely to be last in 2025, we will be doing a lot of experimenting in 2025, with set/ups/rotations, we are fully invested in this draft and playing them, our future depends on it. Melbourne will want more than future first so give them later pick(s) in 2024 to Melbourne

Then trade for Saints pick 8 with later picks we have, use pick 11 if we have to

I know Blair supposedly is not taking calls but RFC should be considering all trade possibilities to get us in the best position to accumulate and put us in the best position to win premierships down the track

That just seems bizarre

 

[Mr Magic]

That just seems bizarre

why???

we cannot keep future first. We cannot worship it or we can and get nowhere.

The future first gets used on a player next year, it is simply a point of access. Basically the argument is, for us, 5 and 9 is better for us, than pick one next year and we give Melbourne extra to get it, it suits Melbourne as they get a gun next year which suits their transition plus access to talent later in the draft where they have more idea waht to do next year seeing how Trac and Oliver are going as well as their recent recruits not to mention Gawn

on top of that 5 and 9 supports 6 and 1 and 10 and 11 in the sense the players have a strong bond and belief. Not to mention getting 8 from Saints with plenty of later picks. Most clubs would do it if in our position I think. This is a rare scenario, RFC should be looking to capitalise on it, helps coaching players who have more buy in and belief and togetherness with a clearer path especially regrading generational tracking career and premeirship window wise. Not only does it give RFC access to players that form a stronger bond due to age, teammates, follow RFC in some cases etc.. they get to develop together and are less likely to drop out because of a higher talent range so the bond should be stronger as they are more likely to stick from being less likely to not make from simply not being good enough because they are more likely to be good enough and the extra support will increase their chances to pull through

 

[Noidnadroj]

I think it's extremely unlikely that FOS is available but if he got to 6 and we've taken Lalor I would be doing everything to get pick 7 off StKila for 10.

Walking away with Lalor, FOS and Smilie and then throw in Lindsay or Reid at 10 and our midfield is set should they all make it. Add the number 1 pick next year and you've got a dominant midfield in 5 years time.

No hope in hell of getting 7 off Saints. They are getting someone who could easily have claims on being pick #1. If Tauru goes top-6 getting 7 is zero chance.


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[THE_GUN]

FOS is not getting to pick #7

Stop dreaming

 

[TigerTime88]

No hope in hell of getting 7 off Saints. They are getting someone who could easily have claims on being pick #1. If Tauru goes top-6 getting 7 is zero chance.


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Yeah you're spot on.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Allan was serviceable in the WAFL. Hardly the best mid.

Averaging 11 touches in WAFL is a MASSIVE concern for me. I don’t care what position he was playing etc… even Sonsie smashed it in a couple of Hawks VFL games from memory.

Don’t mine taking Allan if he’s there later, but not with any of our first 4 x picks.


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[Phar Ace]

why???

we cannot keep future first. We cannot worship it or we can and get nowhere.

The future first gets used on a player next year, it is simply a point of access. Basically the argument is, for us, 5 and 9 is better for us, than pick one next year and we give Melbourne extra to get it, it suits Melbourne as they get a gun next year which suits their transition plus access to talent later in the draft where they have more idea waht to do next year seeing how Trac and Oliver are going as well as their recent recruits not to mention Gawn

on top of that 5 and 9 supports 6 and 1 and 10 and 11 in the sense the players have a strong bond and belief. Most clubs would do it if in our position I think. This is a rare scenario, RFC should be looking to capitalise on it, helps coaching players who have more buy in and belief and togetherness with a clearer path especially regrading generational tracking career and premeirship window wise

On a convoluted points scenario maybe. But the saying 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' really rings true for this draft. Melbourne would need their head read!

 

[Mr Magic]

On a convoluted points scenario maybe. But the saying 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' really rings true for this draft. Melbourne would need their head read!

According to some Oliver was going to Geelong end of this season. It did not happen. According to second hand info I got from a person in contact with AFL players at a party at the beginning of trade week. Trac has a few issues that has been reported regarding club direction. It could have been BS, but when there is smoke what type of fire is it?

The point is Melbourne need to do a reset of sorts. Their new winger is very good. The point is it will be hard for Melbourne to win a premiership in 2025 and in any case how does 5 and 9 help them in that regard?? This is more about juggernauts like Brisbane emerging not to mention other threats like CFC. It has been reported Trac is not happy with their direction. They have to do soul searching whatever happens.

Now we can give them access to a Dyson Sharp or someone better, they get a better handle on how things are going with their players in 2025, they also can tap into talent later in 2024 draft( a deep draft)

This would be done on the basis of a win win for both clubs otherwise it would not work. It gives Melbourne more flexibility because remember, in a deep draft Melbourne only have 5 and 9, what happens for them in 2025 draft because odds are against them winning a premiership in 2025 despite Gawn not being a spring chicken. So flexibility helps them including with potential trades in the short term and later on. If Melbourne take 5 and 9 to the draft they could end up half pregnant so they do not know whether they are Arthur or Martha in terms of contention windows down the track and they will have a better idea how they are going but also how the opposition like Brisbane and Gold Coast are going and developing at the end of 2025

We know we are building(we hope and trust it is not for too long), what are Melbourne doing and either way how does 5 and 9 really help them in the short term where cannot trade for fully experienced prime current AFL players now? As David King would say, the biggest mistake is not knowing where you are at, we would be simply help Melbourne mitigate any risk and tap into a unusually deep draft in 2024 where Melbourne get more flexibility in the short term and position themselves going forward. Yze has strong ties to Melbourne, he would not want to screw them over but has a better understand how we could help them while they help us in a win win trade

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

On a convoluted points scenario maybe. But the saying 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' really rings true for this draft. Melbourne would need their head read!

Zackly sometimes it's not just about the points spread in the Draft...X equals Y plus and/or minus Z every second round...
It's also about Team requirements...then player character...skill...Tassy...free agency...finals contention...
This Draft appears to be looking like giving all the first round picks a good player...possibly even a sliding champ...no one really knows. The only outlier is Norff maybe overpaying with pick two...but they are not going to miss out...maybe overpay.

 

[DickieKnee]

They live together and are twins, may as well interview the other one while you’re there

Are they identical twins? Might be hard to tell we got the right one if they are.

 

[kuncandellaway]

Averaging 11 touches in WAFL is a MASSIVE concern for me. I don’t care what position he was playing etc… even Sonsie smashed it in a couple of Hawks VFL games from memory.

Don’t mine taking Allan if he’s there later, but not with any of our first 4 x picks.


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He won't be there later and with good reason. Leader, competitive beast, great athlete. Has many attributes that can't be taught. Hope we get him at 10/11.

 

[KimKershaw1959]

Lord twins

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Chris and Brad Scott

Paul and Simon Atkins

 

[prodigy]

The latest FOS goes is Melbourne at 5.
I think they would be willing to pass on Langford if either Lalor or FOS slides to them.

 

[Groupie_]

Yes. A lot.


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youve sold me