List Mgmt. 2024 Draft - The Final Countdown

[prodigy]

Richmond can retain four selections in the top 15 of Wednesday’s draft and still turbocharge its 2025 draft hand given its rivals’ desperation to move up the order for specific players.
The Tigers have options to trade up to North Melbourne’s pick two or hand over a pair of selections for one of St Kilda’s top 10 picks but instead can effectively play the futures market.
History shows Richmond’s exceptional draft hand – 1, 6, 10, 11, 18, 20, 23, 24 – gives it the perfect chance on draft night to slide back a handful of picks across multiple selections and still cash in.
On draft night last year Essendon moved up the order from pick 11 to pick 10 to secure Nate Caddy and gave back the No. 31 selection that allowed Geelong to secure late-blooming Shaun Mannagh.
GWS handed over a future second-round pick to the Saints to move up a single spot from 18 to 17 to secure exciting Tasmanian utility James Leake, with the Saints then taking athletic freak Darcy Wilson.
The departures of some premiership heroes has given the Tigers a massive draft haul.
The departures of some premiership heroes has given the Tigers a massive draft haul.
And Adelaide gave up its future second-round pick to trade 11 and 15 for the Giants’ eight and 17, taking rangy defender Daniel Curtin as a long-term play.
Richmond orchestrated a series of draft-night trades that allowed it to accumulate the late picks it eventually traded for Brisbane’s No. 20 draft pick.
It shuffled from pick 35 to Fremantle’s 38 (picking up the Dockers future fourth-rounder), then 38 to 40 (picking up West Coast’s future third-rounder).
It also traded out pick 54 for a future fourth-rounder, then this year traded 32, 42, 43 and 45 for Brisbane’s pick 20 to eventually secure eight picks in the top 24.
In the 2022 national draft Hawthorn gave away its future second and third-round picks to move from pick 27 to Sydney’s No. 18 and struck gold with athletic utility Josh Weddle.

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In 2021 Port Adelaide gave up a future second-rounder to move from pick 14 to pick 12 to secure half back Josh Sinn.
With a new points system diluting the value of back-end picks from 2025 the Tigers will be less intent on securing future third-rounders this time around.
But while trying to secure North Melbourne’s future first-rounder would be utopia to bolster a 2025 draft hand, securing a clutch of future second-rounders while still taking seven or eight top 30 picks would be a brilliant strategy.
Richmond has selections in the teens where there are a heap of positional types of interest – big ruckmen, key position swingmen, key forwards – and clubs might give up plenty to secure a 15-year key position pillar.

Key back Curtin and key forward Caddy were priority targets for the Crows and Dons.
But Richmond also has the first pick in the second round of the draft – No. 24 – after clubs have gone away and done their homework on players who were not selected on Wednesday.
History shows clubs can trade that selection for a draft bonanza if the right player is available.
Richmond list boss Blair Hartley made clear on the last day of the trade period the club was open to staggering the club’s selections over two seasons.
“As a list manager you’re always looking to position yourself in those strong drafts, which sets our club up for what’s next. It feels like it puts us in a good position leading into the trade window as well as the picks leading into the draft. And, also, we can trade picks live on the night. So, we’re pretty happy with where we’re at right now,” he said.
“I won’t rule out anything. We’ve just got to let the dust settle. The draft’s very even. Everyone sees it differently, though. We’ll assess it as it comes. But we’re open to everything. If we can stagger it out, we will.”

 

[THE_GUN]

were getting lalor and smilie. the rest are a raffle. our next flag starts this week.

From the way its looking ^^^ looks to be the case

1. Law-La
2.Ashcroft
3. Jagga / Smith / Draper
4. Jagga / Smith / Draper
5. Tauru
6. Jagga / Smith / Draper

7. Smillie / Langford - For Richmond this would be a great choice to have
7. Smillie / Langford

 

[tigs2010]

From the way its looking ^^^ looks to be the case

1. Law-La
2.Ashcroft
3. Jagga / Smith / Draper
4. Jagga / Smith / Draper
5. Tauru
6. Jagga / Smith / Draper

7. Smillie / Langford - For Richmond this would be a great choice to have
7. Smillie / Langford

How can Jagga Smith and Draper go at 3 separate spots

 

[THE_GUN]

How can Jagga Smith and Draper go at 3 separate spots

Easy 3 spots = 3 players

school was fun during math classes

 

[Wrenny]

Yeah mate.

You're a valued and respected poster on this board and your contributions are always worth reading.

 

[tora tora tora]

Ryan won’t make it.
Ryan on the list 3 yrs is no good reason for not recruiting another player

probably not.

Giving him 3 years feels like cheap, moneyball depth for Nank. Another Naismith DFA be ideal . Maybe Knobel ~ but he's barely worth it.

Having 2 slow developing rucks is list madness. Ethan Read has played 4 games, when he is back up ruck to Witts.


When Nank is injured play Ryan, when Nank retires trade one in. We a game or 2 with Ryan in 2023. Didn't develop in 2024.

We love our 200cm ruck KPFs and we'll take them and/our a pure KPF over Dodson.

 

[sante]

From the way its looking ^^^ looks to be the case

1. Law-La
2.Ashcroft
3. Jagga / Smith / Draper
4. Jagga / Smith / Draper
5. Tauru
6. Jagga / Smith / Draper

7. Smillie / Langford - For Richmond this would be a great choice to have
7. Smillie / Langford

Jagga is Smith

 

[THE_GUN]

Jagga is Smith

Hey i just woke up

brain say's FOS fingers type smith

 

[4tune8]

Reckon WCE are a big chance of wanting to move up in the draft.

They have their own F1, F2 and F3, plus the Hawks F1, F2 and F3.

There's plenty of flexibility and capital to do something with their current pick 26

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

I'd much prefer Langford to Smilie

 

[tiger_tough]

**** were going to clean up on draft night from live trading. Reckon we'll end up with multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks next year just for sliding back a couple times as well as at least one extra F1, possibly 2.

Then we'll be able to fleece GC again in 2025 for points.

 

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chin up champ it sounds like you could borrow mine


are you normally this confidently wrong ?

I just looked through the drafts since 2012 (since it's most favourable to my argument and recent), and most years the first ruck not fwd/ruck drafted was the best (not that it changes much)

and one of the ones where they're not the best is 2013 with rory lobb getting picked 6 spots before nank

and I also have the 2016 draft with tim english, sean darcy & rowan marshall with english being my pick since he's 2 years younger than marshall and his body is less cooked than darcy's. but even if you say marshall or darcy is better, OK cool but I'd gladly take english as a consolation prize

2014 and 2017 are the big misses for first ruck drafted (ROB & xerri rookie draft)

2012 - #18 grundy
2015 - #45 flynn (academy)
2018 - #34 briggs
2019 - #3 luke jackson
2020 too early to tell but battle between thilthorpe, shannon neale & samson ryan

and of course 2009 is gawn first picked ruck!


at worst it's a 50/50 shot for the best ruck of the draft over the last decade, i'll take those odds

The average height for the top 20 rucks in terms of total hitouts in 2024 is 202.8cm. If you have a ruck who can't be involved in general play with the way the game is being played now, you're effectively playing a man down. The best rucks in the game average 15+ disposals & 25+ hitouts. Nankervis who has been our number 1 ruck for nearly a decade averages 15 disposals & 25 hitouts a game for his career and was a key member of our 3 x premiership midfield unit and is what we need to replace moving forward. Samson has shown some signs early on, but struggled in 2024, OHB & Colina are a long way off being AFL caliber rucks, with both barely being VFL rucks.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

It sounds like we might slide some picks for future picks.

 

[of unsound mind]

1 Lalor
2 Jagga
13 Travaglia
14 Shanahan
24 Dattoli
27 Dodson

 

[tiger_tough]

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[rammmbo]

I'd much prefer Langford to Smilie

Langford too slow this is why Caddy never made it as a mid we have learnt our lesson and wont be taking this type of player .

 

[UpTheGutz]

From the way its looking ^^^ looks to be the case

1. Law-La
2.Ashcroft
3. Jagga / Smith / Draper
4. Jagga / Smith / Draper
5. Tauru
6. Jagga / Smith / Draper

7. Smillie / Langford - For Richmond this would be a great choice to have
7. Smillie / Langford

FOS still gonna get drafted though yeah?

 

[THE_GUN]

FOS still gonna get drafted though yeah?

Yeah we wont pass on him at #10

 

[T4P]

Lol crows super hot on him the most certain players to play150 games.

Sucked in

 

[Punt Road Feral]

Reckon WCE are a big chance of wanting to move up in the draft.

They have their own F1, F2 and F3, plus the Hawks F1, F2 and F3.

There's plenty of flexibility and capital to do something with their current pick 26

That’s true.

Maybe a live draft for them to get Bo Allen at our pick #11 and we slide back to their #12 plus a F2?

There’s noise we are into Allen and I hope it’s bluff that the Eagles go hard to secure him.
Especially if Reid or Lindsay are still available they’d be a Brilliant piece of work by Hartley if they could slide and still get one of those two as well as a future pick.

 

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Easy 3 spots = 3 players

school was fun during math classes

Is it Jagga O'Sullivan & Finn Smith you're talking about?

 

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Most accurate post in any of the draft threads this year.

 

[UpTheGutz]

That’s true.

Maybe a live draft for them to get Bo Allen at our pick #11 and we slide back to their #14 plus a F2?

Obv prefer 11 & (if necessary) F3 for 14 & 26/ Hawks’ F1

Can we live trade so we (briefly) have > picks than list spots? Probably silly to as everyone would know we have to sell a later one

 

[Joey longshadow]

The term Tin Rattlers is synonymous with one team and it ain't North.

You may be too young to remember.

Sent from my SM-A156E using Tapatalk

Think he actually called you a tine rattler ..
Maybe you're to stupid to remember though

 

[rammmbo]

The average height for the top 20 rucks in terms of total hitouts in 2024 is 202.8cm. If you have a ruck who can't be involved in general play with the way the game is being played now, you're effectively playing a man down. The best rucks in the game average 15+ disposals & 25+ hitouts. Nankervis who has been our number 1 ruck for nearly a decade averages 15 disposals & 25 hitouts a game for his career and was a key member of our 3 x premiership midfield unit and is what we need to replace moving forward. Samson has shown some signs early on, but struggled in 2024, OHB & Colina are a long way off being AFL caliber rucks, with both barely being VFL rucks.

I reckon kosi is next in line after nank .