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List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals
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How "not ready" is Edwards? I mean plenty of clubs give youngsters a go and let them get ready by having experienced teammates around them. I realise it wasn't where we were at this year as we were going for a flag, but Brisbane are absolute favourites now to go back to back...We won't get near them unless Sheldrick is literally the next Neale. Is Edwards not ready for some early season games to see how he goes?
Rampe does need to be phased out for the good of the list. Someone mentioned him as backline mentor in the VFL and I like that idea. We also need to bring in a couple of KP draftees who have some acceleration about them. In the event of injury I'd rather be playing Edwards or a deserving draftee than someone like Francis who appears to believe he's not up to it himself - and does nothing to develop the list.
We have Snell (194) and Edwards (197) who we rate highly enough to have extended until 2027 and 2026 respectively. It's just taking time. We'll possibly add Cochran, 195cm interceptor via the academy.
I think whoever our next member of the 3 regular KPD group is, they probably should be on the bigger side, with Melican as the Rampe "replacement".
Who is the Rampe clone? I'm not up with the draft class other than loving Tauru's bio after looking at possible targets with our first pick.
LukeParkerno1
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Luke Trainor elite rebounder/tall defender. Not that far a reach at 3, best defender by a fair bit in this class.
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LukeParkerno1
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In other news the world is flat Tom Morris lol
On KPDs...
Given we have 2 late first rounders at this stage, and the draft rankings/analysis is focused on the top end at this point (we'll hear more about later round potential and rookies, including mature agers as the draft approaches), here's who I think are in our range, either for one of our firsts (likely to be into the 20s), and Cochran, as a late/rookie pick.
O'Farrell writeup at #27 here - https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...ace-heats-sid-draper-josh-smillie-jagga-smith
Barrat writeup at #30 here - https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...agga-smith-levi-ashcroft-sid-draper-sam-lalor
Given we have 2 late first rounders at this stage, and the draft rankings/analysis is focused on the top end at this point (we'll hear more about later round potential and rookies, including mature agers as the draft approaches), here's who I think are in our range, either for one of our firsts (likely to be into the 20s), and Cochran, as a late/rookie pick.
- Noah Mraz 198cm intercept KPD (24-35)
- Harry O'Farrell 196cm lockdown KPD, pack marking noted (25-35)
- James Barrat 193cm KPD, described as “old fashioned, rugged full back” (30-35)
- Joel Cochran 195cm, intercept KPD (academy, 45-rookie)
- Also worth noting that Jobe Shanahan (194cm KPF) has been mentioned as having KPD potential, and Matt Whitlock (199cm) started off as a KPD, but has been playing forward more recently, can find both of these on most Top 30 rankings recently, in the 20-30 range)
O'Farrell writeup at #27 here - https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...ace-heats-sid-draper-josh-smillie-jagga-smith
Barrat writeup at #30 here - https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...agga-smith-levi-ashcroft-sid-draper-sam-lalor
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Benmacca33
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In great news for the swans after a horrid week
Aaron Francis is about to put pen to paper and extend his time at the swans
U bloody ripper NOT
What a crock he ain’t worth 20 bucks that spud y bother better off trying someone at pick 80
Aaron Francis is about to put pen to paper and extend his time at the swans
U bloody ripper NOT
What a crock he ain’t worth 20 bucks that spud y bother better off trying someone at pick 80
LukeParkerno1
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Have to keep one for a ready made break glass, I dont hate the contract
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Long as he never gets a game in front of Edward or snell maybe, but god he’s no good and shouldn’t b playing seniors at all .
But i know what your saying he would b on bugger all so yeah hes irrelevant cap wise too
LukeParkerno1
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All of those would be lower than our ranges, lets put Cochran aside should literally be a rookie like Edwards nothing more, at worst last pick in the ND if need be.
If we keep our selections you would assume Whitlock brothers come into play, Shanahan (will he be available?). I'd also like a Darcy Wilmot type, I do feel thats the defending type we actually lack a bit.
I really like Taj Hotton though I'd love him at Sydney, he's a small forward/midfielder.
Dour defenders rarely go that high, name is escaping me we took one a few years back who was that type and went in the 60's
LukeParkerno1
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Edwards isn't near ready, personally rate Snell over both.
I don't love it, but if we don't see Snell or Edwards as ready physically (and Francis has outplayed them in the reserves), and maybe this means Arnold is gone, we probably don't have another choice.
If Rampe misses, I'd rather just give Fox the job, but we may need the extra height at times.
LukeParkerno1
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pick 40 ish is fine, helps with any Cochran bid, if it doesn't come we can take a swing at a needs pick.
LukeParkerno1
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This is why I can see us trading for Frost, I just am going to ditest how much we overpay for the bloke can see it 2 miles away
LukeParkerno1
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Yeah probably take 40 this year and we can always flip it to a f3 on draft day anyway. Pick 40 this year is worth pick 30 any other year. You'll see the most live picks taken out of any draft in years.
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This is all just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. Other than the attitude displayed in the Grand Final by most of the players, I think we have three core positional needs. That attitude issue is a problem that seemed to creep in around the time we built a 3 game lead at the top of the table and it was clearly something we never resolved to its core. Our pressure and workrate was top of the league to start the year. If we can't recapture that, we're in trouble.
Like most of you I think we have 3 core positional problems, Inside MID, KPF, and KPD. But I don't think we need to hit the panic button just yet.
Considering we have Sheldrick and Cleary waiting in the wings, I'd rather we didn't trade for an inside mid unless they were an absolute gun and huge improvement.
If we could trade for Clarry and knew he was going to be fully fit and committed, then that would be great. I don't think Melbourne would do that, but that would be the standard of mid to trade for.
I wouldn't want to see us chase a Matt Crouch or Jack Macrae type though, we have Sheldrick and Cleary, I'd rather they get more opportunities. Sheldrick has proven he is an AFL standard ball winner.
Our KPF stocks were a problem this season, but at the same time, McDonald has played 70 games, Amartey 73, and Mclean 79. They have shown in flashes that they can be AFL standard players, and it is in this 50-100 game stretch that KPFs tend to put everything together. Similar to the Inside Mid scenario, I'd only trade for one if they were a proven upgrade.
I think KPD is the position we should really look to upgrade, McCartin and Melican are AFL standard and can be very good players, but they're too undersized and get exposed by big forwards. We need somebody who can be that bigman. Unlike the previous two positions, we don't have obvious AFL standard players knocking the door down. Francis ain't it. Unless Edwards, Arnold, or Snell is ready to step up, or Ladhams or Buller are keen on a move down back, this is a position we have to address as a priority. Via trade AND draft. Mills should be a full time defender for the rest of his career in that McVeigh/Rampe role as the organiser. But that doesn't solve our undersized KPD problem. I'd love to see us grab one of the Whitlock kids in the draft, and was hoping the SDK rumour was true, but it was always a long shot. If McCartin and Melican can share intercepting duties while somebody else plays the lockdown role that would be great. I like that we're chasing Sam Frost, though he's the same size as Melican at 194cm, he's a lot bigger than Rampe at 187cm and Fox at 185cm. He'd provide constant competition for places, and would be an upgrade on Francis immediately.
Like most of you I think we have 3 core positional problems, Inside MID, KPF, and KPD. But I don't think we need to hit the panic button just yet.
Considering we have Sheldrick and Cleary waiting in the wings, I'd rather we didn't trade for an inside mid unless they were an absolute gun and huge improvement.
If we could trade for Clarry and knew he was going to be fully fit and committed, then that would be great. I don't think Melbourne would do that, but that would be the standard of mid to trade for.
I wouldn't want to see us chase a Matt Crouch or Jack Macrae type though, we have Sheldrick and Cleary, I'd rather they get more opportunities. Sheldrick has proven he is an AFL standard ball winner.
Our KPF stocks were a problem this season, but at the same time, McDonald has played 70 games, Amartey 73, and Mclean 79. They have shown in flashes that they can be AFL standard players, and it is in this 50-100 game stretch that KPFs tend to put everything together. Similar to the Inside Mid scenario, I'd only trade for one if they were a proven upgrade.
I think KPD is the position we should really look to upgrade, McCartin and Melican are AFL standard and can be very good players, but they're too undersized and get exposed by big forwards. We need somebody who can be that bigman. Unlike the previous two positions, we don't have obvious AFL standard players knocking the door down. Francis ain't it. Unless Edwards, Arnold, or Snell is ready to step up, or Ladhams or Buller are keen on a move down back, this is a position we have to address as a priority. Via trade AND draft. Mills should be a full time defender for the rest of his career in that McVeigh/Rampe role as the organiser. But that doesn't solve our undersized KPD problem. I'd love to see us grab one of the Whitlock kids in the draft, and was hoping the SDK rumour was true, but it was always a long shot. If McCartin and Melican can share intercepting duties while somebody else plays the lockdown role that would be great. I like that we're chasing Sam Frost, though he's the same size as Melican at 194cm, he's a lot bigger than Rampe at 187cm and Fox at 185cm. He'd provide constant competition for places, and would be an upgrade on Francis immediately.
LukeParkerno1
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Might? Try should let him pass. Should really be like Edwards, rookie
Probably could have left the Francis contract until then though. Not sure we need Francis if we bring Frost in.
You'd have Rampe as the VFL leader, with Snell, Edwards and probably Cochran. Hamling might return to defence for a year if Buller is fit and we draft a KPF, maybe even have one of Amartey/McLean in reserves some of the time.
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I hope that break glass is if a first 23 guy goes down and they give a young guy a shot for a number of games and they don't go as planned so they're forced to play Francis. That's his role now IMO.
LukeParkerno1
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You seen how often McCartin and co spend in the injury room? Rampe is getting prone to soft tissue too. We ideally need 3 of these types in spare.
It is also why I'm at least considering asking what McCartin is worth. A bloke is useless if he spends 4 plus weeks in a concussion bin every season.
LukeParkerno1
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None of the young guys everyone seems to name (Edwards, Snell) are near ready. Sure if we get Whitlock or Trainor maybe but these are key/rebounding defenders, they aren't going to be ready. Frost maybe and this is why we are linked.
