List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[Kbroome]

Might’ve been a terrible draft but we had a free hit at one of the best out of it and chose to overlook him for some inexplicable reason

Also we got Grundy for junk picks, the trade would’ve proceeded regardless, we just would’ve used other junkier picks

If you think of it like that if we disregard that trade we end up with Grundy and Cleary but don't have pick #22 that we got from North for Stephens last year as we would have asked for junk picks rather than that future 1st at the time

 

[BloodySwan]

Everyone gets up and arms about the Weddle thing it was a terrible draft go through the first round there’s probably 5 decent blokes in the first 25 picks. Yes the Hawks lucked out it happens. The trade allowed us to have the picks for Grundy

Go back over that draft, it is looking to be a decent draft especially the first 12 picks. We did badly, some players have taken a while to come along but we're the only club to strike out completely

 

[dosser]

I think the moral of the story is that we are very clever at manipulating picks but terrible at actually using them.

 

[Kbroome]

I think the moral of the story is that we are very clever at manipulating picks but terrible at actually using them.

Yep need to manipulate picks to eventually trade them, not actually draft someone with them unless it is bid matching

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I think the moral of the story is that we are very clever at manipulating picks but terrible at actually using them.

My theory:

If we win a flag, we’d become an unstoppable juggernaut, as we’d never have a pick in the top 20 & hence would nail the draft every year.

 

[BloodySwan]

I think the moral of the story is that we are very clever at manipulating picks but terrible at actually using them.

We do well in the rookie draft, and MSD. Something allows us to find a diamond in the rough but we're unable to differentiate between stars

 

[Caj]

Our recent drafting across the board has been pretty poor.

There are a couple of exceptions (eg Roberts), but our strike rate with mid to late range and rookie picks has also been average

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Go back over that draft, it is looking to be a decent draft especially the first 12 picks. We did badly, some players have taken a while to come along but we're the only club to strike out completely

Pity we weren’t picking in the first 12…from our range it wasn’t a great draft. It was expected COVID draft

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Might’ve been a terrible draft but we had a free hit at one of the best out of it and chose to overlook him for some inexplicable reason

Also we got Grundy for junk picks, the trade would’ve proceeded regardless, we just would’ve used other junkier picks

We wanted Ed Allen unfortunately the Pies took him. I’d have rather taken Allen then traded our next to the Hawks

 

[BloodySwan]

Pity we weren’t picking in the first 12…from our range it wasn’t a great draft. It was expected COVID draft

Darcy Jones another small forward taken just after us. He's looking good

 

[Bloods86]

We wanted Ed Allen unfortunately the Pies took him. I’d have rather taken Allen then traded our next to the Hawks

We flubbed that draft. Pure and simple. No need to keep excusing the club for it.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Darcy Jones another small forward taken just after us. He's looking good

Who came with plenty of injury concerns looks good but it wasn’t without risk at the time

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We flubbed that draft. Pure and simple. No need to keep excusing the club for it.

It was a covid draft clubs were more likely to stuff it than not. The talls everyone wanted here have been duds, Weddle is playing as a tall utility

 

[KingV23]

We do well in the rookie draft, and MSD. Something allows us to find a diamond in the rough but we're unable to differentiate between stars

We do well in the MSD? Not one hit.

 

[BloodySwan]

We do well in the MSD? Not one hit.

I thought McLean was from the MSD but you're right, none of them have come good

 

[Bloods86]

It was a covid draft clubs were more likely to stuff it than not. The talls everyone wanted here have been duds, Weddle is playing as a tall utility

You say that, but it's not true. Even if we didn't pick a true tall, we still gave up a pick because we didn't rate players and got Vickery instead.

Weddle clearly not a dud
Gruzewski tracking well, even if you disagree
Allan tracking well
Jones clearly not a dud

We obviously didn't rate Reidy highly enough to grab him later in the ND, when ruck was a clear need, instead left with Owen.

Magor was good, but we changed the role that made us select him, go figure.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I LOVE this phantom draft.

First-round AFL Phantom Draft: Who your club could pick on night 1

With six bids and 28 picks, this is ESPN draft expert Jasper Chellappah's first-round phantom mock, a month out from the 2024 AFL Draft. Who will your club pick on the first night?

www.espn.com.au

Pick 26. Superb. Hamish Davis.

 

[Bloods86]

I thought McLean was from the MSD but you're right, none of them have come good

SSP

 

[bedford]

I LOVE this phantom draft.

First-round AFL Phantom Draft: Who your club could pick on night 1

With six bids and 28 picks, this is ESPN draft expert Jasper Chellappah's first-round phantom mock, a month out from the 2024 AFL Draft. Who will your club pick on the first night?

www.espn.com.au

Surely our man LP1 should take a day off and do his , won't get caught as has doubled the total of 2nd

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

Does anyone else get the sense that we were a little too trigger happy locking away players to long-term contracts, possibly on slightly inflated salaries given we were flying at the time we were announcing our re-signings? Only for the players to ultimately get shown up in the GF.

Given we were inactive over the trade period and offloaded Parker and konstanty. We are either stacking salary cap to pay Chad a kings random at the end of next year or have a trade target in mind.

I just feel as though we FOMO'd when stocks were at their peak and may have overvalued the players we currently have.

I did notice that our form drop came around the same time that the final set of long term contracts were signed, and also when it became clear that Warner wasn’t going to re-sign this year.

My sense was that the players were playing out of their skins to try get a good deal, but more so to try to keep the list together. But then they hit the wall once they had a chance to take a breather.

You’d hope with those term contracts that the Swans would not be too influenced by short term form swings, but who knows?

If there is one positive, it’s that it is easier for club and player to find new homes if it is no longer a good fit. And as the Parker deal has shown, you might get a pick back where otherwise the player would go for free.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

My draft update

As always, I look at things from a list perspective.

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Just having a look at the list.
I have put in our prospective academy players in purple with a 25. Those we get next year as academy players.
I have put in what I think we will draft.
We are short in the forwards. KPF, small and mid sized. I reckon this is the key area we will target but we always take mids. Mids then go back and forward. The Swans way.

Bearing in mind the 3 prospective players coming in from the academy, what list spots are vacant.

So I reckon we go a small forward and KPF with our first two picks. I can see us going Datolli. We delisted Konstanty who was a pick in the first round so clearly an area we need to bolster. I know we brought in Hanily but both he and Wicks are sort of on notice to improve. Wicks on his day is great. On his day. Hanily has been here 5 minutes. We need a player now. So I reckon our first is Datolli.

KPF there are a few probably available at our pick. Faull the Whitlocks. I dunno. But we do need KPF depth going forward. Our Current 3 talls plus Buller are not tearing the house down.

We could do a medium forward too but I reckon we don't. Our excess mids can rest there.

If we miss out on a preferred small or KPF I reckon we go inside mid. Kennedy has been mentioned. Adams won't be around long. Some on the list who are inside have questions. So this is an option.

We probably pick up Cochrane late as a KPD.


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Why we shit the bed update

Looking at the list from a Harry Hindsight view, looking in the rear view mirror. Having digested much of the brilliance of the forum, the disappointment of the grand final, the many views as to why we shit the bed in the GF. I take a sober look at the list. This will always be my primary source of objective opinion of what is missing and what we need to win a GF.

The problem is usually in the mids. They play everywhere. In the midfield, in defence and in the forwards.
I am not blaming Roberts. He has played well. But he forced Lloyd into the midfield because Lloyd is Lloyd. You can't drop Lloyd. Well Lloyd going into the midfield added another 'outside' mid along with McInerney, Campbell, Warner, JJ, Gulden.
Our Inside mids, truly inside mids were Rowy and Heeney.
We had Adams on the sideline, Mills not considered due to fitness/injury, Sheldrick probably no recent AFL experience and Cleary too inexperienced. We could have done with Adams first. Mills was rusty so I understnd them leaving him out. Sheldrick was sitting on the fence too long and had a bad case of splinters. Cleary clearly too inexperienced. Obviously.

Conclusion.

Our mix of mids had few ball winners. What did we do in the GF/ We did not win the ball. But we have ball winners in the team that can do the job.

I think the mids are there but the mix of mids is maybe the problem.

Good call on Lloyd. I think Caeser has been making similar observations.

I wonder if Lloyd can reinvent the small forward role?

He is a great kick for goal and has a bigger tank than just about anyone. Perhaps he could play a harassing role right up the ground, so that opposition half backs are never safe - and if a turnover occurs, swing around and beat his opponent back to goal.