List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Doing a few different draft scenarios for us, fwiw. The assumption behind all of them are Cochran going somewhere between 45 and 55, with us still having a pick somewhere in the 60s or so (unsure how many picks will be used).

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This first scenario is probably my #1 to cover various needs.

• Davis the best medium forward available (Hynes maybe slightly more a mid/HFF).
• Sims is a fwd/ruck, but one of his strengths is one of our weaknesses, contested marking, which none of the other key forwards around are known for. If mobile types are OK, Faull swapping with Davis or Matt Whitlock are options too.
• Phoenix Hargrave (181cm) is a no-frills contested mid with clean hands, decent up forward. Played 6 SANFL games.
• Loch MacTaggart (184cm), as well as one of the best names at the draft, is one of very few small/medium defenders who are actually mentioned as lockdown options. He may get to the rookie draft, may not even be drafted at all, but this is a need for us, so willing to take a punt.
• Kobe Ryan (183cm) is a 20 year old mid from West Adelaide who after missing being drafted, won the SANFL Breakthrough Player Award last year and this year made the SANFL Team of the Year averaging 26 disp, 9 tackles, 6.6 clearances.

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This next one prioritises the best KPF likely to be available (though Jack Whitlock might be there). Davis again. Boxshall (187cm) as a bigger mid who can spread as well (Hargrave feeds others). Angove as a decent half/small forward option, though touch and go whether he'll be available. MacTaggart could be there at the end of the rookie draft tbh.

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This one is all over the place. I've relented and prioritised a small forward in Dattoli who can go into midfield. We've also decided Cochran isn't enough in the tall defender market and hedged bets with Matt Whitlock who could play at either end. Given Whitlock might end up down back, I've gone Bailey McKenzie as a 192cm forward who can push up as a link player, but also kicked 6 in a Coates League prelim (for 27 goals in 10 games). Tom Murphy grabbed as a mature ager to provide some extra midfield depth in the haul (alongside Dattoli's cameos) and I've Loched in MacTaggart again (seriously have not found other one-on-one small/medium defenders).

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This last one is the Kinnear Special. He's / I've decided Oliver can become the next Cunningham, despite currently playing half back (with a combative and courageous streak). Kennedy (180cm 2-way mid) has been swooped on before others can get him in the 30s. This leaves us with some more speculative KPFs at Pick 40, but worth a shot. Sulzberger (187cm) can kick some goals as a medium forward with a decent frame, but also spend plenty of time in midfield. Unwin is a mid/small forward whose goalkicking suffered this year spending time away from the F50 and some awful accuracy, but the best of the remaining small forwards possibly at this point.

Disagree Hamish Davis is the best medium fwd, I think Josh Murphy from Murray is

 

[Kbroome]

Disagree Hamish Davis is the best medium fwd, I think Josh Murphy from Murray is

Josh Murphy really has slide from the start of the year hasn't he??

Swear he was a genuine top 20 in like May/June and now what into the top 40 or so

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Josh Murphy really has slide from the start of the year hasn't he??

Swear he was a genuine top 20 in like May/June and now what into the top 40 or so

I don’t understand how he’s just dropped right out of the media rankings; I guess it could be different for clubs’ talent lists

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Doing a few different draft scenarios for us, fwiw. The assumption behind all of them are Cochran going somewhere between 45 and 55, with us still having a pick somewhere in the 60s or so (unsure how many picks will be used).

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This first scenario is probably my #1 to cover various needs.

• Davis the best medium forward available (Hynes maybe slightly more a mid/HFF).
• Sims is a fwd/ruck, but one of his strengths is one of our weaknesses, contested marking, which none of the other key forwards around are known for. If mobile types are OK, Faull swapping with Davis or Matt Whitlock are options too.
• Phoenix Hargrave (181cm) is a no-frills contested mid with clean hands, decent up forward. Played 6 SANFL games.
• Loch MacTaggart (184cm), as well as one of the best names at the draft, is one of very few small/medium defenders who are actually mentioned as lockdown options. He may get to the rookie draft, may not even be drafted at all, but this is a need for us, so willing to take a punt.
• Kobe Ryan (183cm) is a 20 year old mid from West Adelaide who after missing being drafted, won the SANFL Breakthrough Player Award last year and this year made the SANFL Team of the Year averaging 26 disp, 9 tackles, 6.6 clearances.

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This next one prioritises the best KPF likely to be available (though Jack Whitlock might be there). Davis again. Boxshall (187cm) as a bigger mid who can spread as well (Hargrave feeds others). Angove as a decent half/small forward option, though touch and go whether he'll be available. MacTaggart could be there at the end of the rookie draft tbh.

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This one is all over the place. I've relented and prioritised a small forward in Dattoli who can go into midfield. We've also decided Cochran isn't enough in the tall defender market and hedged bets with Matt Whitlock who could play at either end. Given Whitlock might end up down back, I've gone Bailey McKenzie as a 192cm forward who can push up as a link player, but also kicked 6 in a Coates League prelim (for 27 goals in 10 games). Tom Murphy grabbed as a mature ager to provide some extra midfield depth in the haul (alongside Dattoli's cameos) and I've Loched in MacTaggart again (seriously have not found other one-on-one small/medium defenders).

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This last one is the Kinnear Special. He's / I've decided Oliver can become the next Cunningham, despite currently playing half back (with a combative and courageous streak). Kennedy (180cm 2-way mid) has been swooped on before others can get him in the 30s. This leaves us with some more speculative KPFs at Pick 40, but worth a shot. Sulzberger (187cm) can kick some goals as a medium forward with a decent frame, but also spend plenty of time in midfield. Unwin is a mid/small forward whose goalkicking suffered this year spending time away from the F50 and some awful accuracy, but the best of the remaining small forwards possibly at this point.

Your scenario 2 has THREE Claremont players.

Which is acceptable.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I don’t understand how he’s just dropped right out of the media rankings; I guess it could be different for clubs’ talent lists

You would imagine we would have looked at him if we were shopping in that aisle. Might be a nice pickup at 40 if we went other ways earlier.
It seems as if we have a lot of decent options.

 

[LeapingLeo21]

Your scenario 2 has THREE Claremont players.

Which is acceptable.

Dominant team this year, Dan Curtin brother looks like he'll be an early pick next year, big unit

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Dominant team this year, Dan Curtin brother looks like he'll be an early pick next year, big unit

Every year WA produces some high caliber talent.

This year, Claremont pulverised the WAFL colts comp, even with Davis playing up in the seniors.

There’s some real talent there. Davis, Boxshall and Angove will surely be drafted.

Hayes, Dennis, Ravenhill and Van Der Stryuff aren’t without hope either.

And yep, Curtin will be a very early 2025 selection.

I just wonder if Pyke’s departure has lessened our Claremont connection.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Every year WA produces some high caliber talent.

This year, Claremont pulverised the WAFL colts comp, even with Davis playing up in the seniors.

There’s some real talent there. Davis, Boxshall and Angove will surely be drafted.

Hayes, Dennis, Ravenhill and Van Der Stryuff aren’t without hope either.

And yep, Curtin will be a very early 2025 selection.

I just wonder if Pyke’s departure has lessened our Claremont connection.

Any flight risks?

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Any flight risks?

No idea!

But generally, the WA kids are pretty keen to experience life in a bigger city.

My view: the indigenous kids will always tend to have the biggest go-home factor risk.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Tomlinson
DGB
Parfitt
Sam Day

12

Sam Day

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

Are they any better than our top 23-27 ? If the answer is yes - bring them in.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Tomlinson
DGB
Parfitt
Sam Day

Are they any better than our top 23-27 ? If the answer is yes - bring them in.

No

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

No

Tommo is much better than Francis or Ladhams ?

 

[Adnico26Parker]

Tommo is much better than Francis or Ladhams ?

Compared to Francis, you could argue by maybe a fraction; he did only play 8 games this year vs Francis’ 5 games.

Can’t really compare to Ladhams (1 game) as they play in different positions.

 

[Bloods86]

Disagree Hamish Davis is the best medium fwd, I think Josh Murphy from Murray is

He's certainly been prolific in a few games, but hasn't performed at the same level as Davis.

It does seem strange he isn't really mentioned anywhere though.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

He's certainly been prolific in a few games, but hasn't performed at the same level as Davis.

It does seem strange he isn't really mentioned anywhere though.

Davis kicked 7 goals in 7 games at WAFL League level (in 2 games where he kicked 4 and 3), whereas Murphy kicked 32 goals in the 11 games he played for Murray

Both kicked 7 for U18’s teams respectively.

 

[Bloods86]

Davis kicked 7 goals in 7 games at WAFL League level (in 2 games where he kicked 4 and 3), whereas Murphy kicked 32 goals in the 11 games he played for Murray

Both kicked 7 for U18’s teams respectively.

Murphy kicked 18 of those in 3 games. So 14 in the other 8. Now that's still good, shows he can kick a bag on occasion. It's just not at the same level, and compared to someone who also spends a fair amount of time in midfield. Now Murphy might be the best pure medium forward, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a better medium forward.

Anyway surely he gets drafted, no idea why he's not mentioned as much as others with lesser credentials.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Davis kicked 7 goals in 7 games at WAFL League level (in 2 games where he kicked 4 and 3), whereas Murphy kicked 32 goals in the 11 games he played for Murray

Both kicked 7 for U18’s teams respectively.

True.

But WAFL seniors are a very high standard - and after Davis was promoted (off a 40 disposal game in the colts), he had 15+ disposals in most of his 7 WAFL league games.

He’s not only a goal scorer, he gets the Sherrin.

For a 190cm, 18 year old forward to be doing that in WAFL seniors is very, very impressive.

 

[RUNVS]

Tomlinson
DGB
Parfitt
Sam Day

Are they any better than our top 23-27 ? If the answer is yes - bring them in.

I would happily take DGB. Really wanted him in his draft year.

 

[kelpie_X]

You’re probably too young to remember Billy Birmingham (aka the 12th man).

But Jack Ough gave me cause to reminisce:

“Pearce Off Jack”

“What did you say?”

“Pearce Off Jack, Gibbs On”

“Don’t tell me to Pearce off, f***knuckle”….


Those over the age of 40 will know what I’m talking about.

Akeepmateef Inajarbesidabed

 

[kelpie_X]

True.

But WAFL seniors are a very high standard - and after Davis was promoted (off a 40 disposal game in the colts), he had 15+ disposals in most of his 7 WAFL league games.

He’s not only a goal scorer, he gets the Sherrin.

For a 190cm, 18 year old forward to be doing that in WAFL seniors is very, very impressive.

Much more impressive than a kids game.

 

[SSwans2011]

Doing a few different draft scenarios for us, fwiw. The assumption behind all of them are Cochran going somewhere between 45 and 55, with us still having a pick somewhere in the 60s or so (unsure how many picks will be used).

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This first scenario is probably my #1 to cover various needs.

• Davis the best medium forward available (Hynes maybe slightly more a mid/HFF).
• Sims is a fwd/ruck, but one of his strengths is one of our weaknesses, contested marking, which none of the other key forwards around are known for. If mobile types are OK, Faull swapping with Davis or Matt Whitlock are options too.
• Phoenix Hargrave (181cm) is a no-frills contested mid with clean hands, decent up forward. Played 6 SANFL games.
• Loch MacTaggart (184cm), as well as one of the best names at the draft, is one of very few small/medium defenders who are actually mentioned as lockdown options. He may get to the rookie draft, may not even be drafted at all, but this is a need for us, so willing to take a punt.
• Kobe Ryan (183cm) is a 20 year old mid from West Adelaide who after missing being drafted, won the SANFL Breakthrough Player Award last year and this year made the SANFL Team of the Year averaging 26 disp, 9 tackles, 6.6 clearances.

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This next one prioritises the best KPF likely to be available (though Jack Whitlock might be there). Davis again. Boxshall (187cm) as a bigger mid who can spread as well (Hargrave feeds others). Angove as a decent half/small forward option, though touch and go whether he'll be available. MacTaggart could be there at the end of the rookie draft tbh.

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This one is all over the place. I've relented and prioritised a small forward in Dattoli who can go into midfield. We've also decided Cochran isn't enough in the tall defender market and hedged bets with Matt Whitlock who could play at either end. Given Whitlock might end up down back, I've gone Bailey McKenzie as a 192cm forward who can push up as a link player, but also kicked 6 in a Coates League prelim (for 27 goals in 10 games). Tom Murphy grabbed as a mature ager to provide some extra midfield depth in the haul (alongside Dattoli's cameos) and I've Loched in MacTaggart again (seriously have not found other one-on-one small/medium defenders).

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This last one is the Kinnear Special. He's / I've decided Oliver can become the next Cunningham, despite currently playing half back (with a combative and courageous streak). Kennedy (180cm 2-way mid) has been swooped on before others can get him in the 30s. This leaves us with some more speculative KPFs at Pick 40, but worth a shot. Sulzberger (187cm) can kick some goals as a medium forward with a decent frame, but also spend plenty of time in midfield. Unwin is a mid/small forward whose goalkicking suffered this year spending time away from the F50 and some awful accuracy, but the best of the remaining small forwards possibly at this point.

I quite liked the first scenario. I think if you pick up a lockdown small defender, it really should be from the rookie draft, so I think that's a particularly smart selection. Just can't imagine they'd be playing there much if they're a legitimate top prospect and a defensive midfielder would be a safer bet, but makes a lot of sense taking one in the rookie draft.

 

[caesar88]

Doing a few different draft scenarios for us, fwiw. The assumption behind all of them are Cochran going somewhere between 45 and 55, with us still having a pick somewhere in the 60s or so (unsure how many picks will be used).

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This first scenario is probably my #1 to cover various needs.

• Davis the best medium forward available (Hynes maybe slightly more a mid/HFF).
• Sims is a fwd/ruck, but one of his strengths is one of our weaknesses, contested marking, which none of the other key forwards around are known for. If mobile types are OK, Faull swapping with Davis or Matt Whitlock are options too.
• Phoenix Hargrave (181cm) is a no-frills contested mid with clean hands, decent up forward. Played 6 SANFL games.
• Loch MacTaggart (184cm), as well as one of the best names at the draft, is one of very few small/medium defenders who are actually mentioned as lockdown options. He may get to the rookie draft, may not even be drafted at all, but this is a need for us, so willing to take a punt.
• Kobe Ryan (183cm) is a 20 year old mid from West Adelaide who after missing being drafted, won the SANFL Breakthrough Player Award last year and this year made the SANFL Team of the Year averaging 26 disp, 9 tackles, 6.6 clearances.

View attachment 2156489
This next one prioritises the best KPF likely to be available (though Jack Whitlock might be there). Davis again. Boxshall (187cm) as a bigger mid who can spread as well (Hargrave feeds others). Angove as a decent half/small forward option, though touch and go whether he'll be available. MacTaggart could be there at the end of the rookie draft tbh.

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This one is all over the place. I've relented and prioritised a small forward in Dattoli who can go into midfield. We've also decided Cochran isn't enough in the tall defender market and hedged bets with Matt Whitlock who could play at either end. Given Whitlock might end up down back, I've gone Bailey McKenzie as a 192cm forward who can push up as a link player, but also kicked 6 in a Coates League prelim (for 27 goals in 10 games). Tom Murphy grabbed as a mature ager to provide some extra midfield depth in the haul (alongside Dattoli's cameos) and I've Loched in MacTaggart again (seriously have not found other one-on-one small/medium defenders).

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This last one is the Kinnear Special. He's / I've decided Oliver can become the next Cunningham, despite currently playing half back (with a combative and courageous streak). Kennedy (180cm 2-way mid) has been swooped on before others can get him in the 30s. This leaves us with some more speculative KPFs at Pick 40, but worth a shot. Sulzberger (187cm) can kick some goals as a medium forward with a decent frame, but also spend plenty of time in midfield. Unwin is a mid/small forward whose goalkicking suffered this year spending time away from the F50 and some awful accuracy, but the best of the remaining small forwards possibly at this point.

This is outstanding!

 

[Bloods86]

I quite liked the first scenario. I think if you pick up a lockdown small defender, it really should be from the rookie draft, so I think that's a particularly smart selection. Just can't imagine they'd be playing there much if they're a legitimate top prospect and a defensive midfielder would be a safer bet, but makes a lot of sense taking one in the rookie draft.

Yeah, I'm aware all of our recent small/medium defenders have started elsewhere, hence my semi interest in Harry Oliver as a tough half back who might become a one on one type. I'm not really fussed where we take them, as I'd take Smith and Cunningham as first rounders in hindsight.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Yeah, I'm aware all of our recent small/medium defenders have started elsewhere, hence my semi interest in Harry Oliver as a tough half back who might become a one on one type. I'm not really fussed where we take them, as I'd take Smith and Cunningham as first rounders in hindsight.

I don't know much about Smith's early days but Harry struggled to own a place for a long time. My point just that you may never know who will be good in that job until they're in it.