Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

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[Rowie6]

And even then they would fail, I feel.

They have nothing to lean back on. No history of success. No big or marquee MCG games. No well documented culture. No big rivalry.

They’re just irrelevant and when they are competing for the same players that clubs like Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn and Geelong are they will almost always lose out.

I don’t think their Chairman coming out and having a whinge session at the B&F about how they can’t compete with other clubs because they don’t have the talent, can’t access the talent and the league is so unfair would help them in any way with trying to sell potential recruits either. That to me was a real bonehead move. Literally announcing that they’ve given up unless the AFL given them a leg up… which they then did.

Luckily when I was in early primary school my Uncle who barracks for Shepparton by The Sea(Geelong), use to tease me because I barracked for StKilda so I went to school the next day and most of my grade 2 mates went for the Hawks!
So from that day I changed and went from loving Trevor Barker and Greg Burns to Lethal Leigh Matthew’s and Peter Knights!
Never looked back from that day!
Thanks Uncle Graham!
I have always hated Geelong though!!



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[RobHawk]

How is West Coast going to rebuild when they only have draft picks 12 ,26 and 73 coming up?
That is not much better than our picks.
And their current list is significantly older than ours.
Much prefer the strategy Richmond is going with

 

[number23]

How is West Coast going to rebuild when they only have draft picks 12 ,26 and 73 coming up?
That is not much better than our picks.
And their current list is significantly older than ours.
Much prefer the strategy Richmond is going with

It takes a real talent to turn Pick 3 into Pick 12.

 

[Turly]

Wondering if we have a sneaky look at Ash Johnston delisted by Collingwood as cover for an aging Gunston.


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Talented but seems lazy and only goes when he chooses.

Highly doubt we’d be looking at him.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

How is West Coast going to rebuild when they only have draft picks 12 ,26 and 73 coming up?
That is not much better than our picks.
And their current list is significantly older than ours.
Much prefer the strategy Richmond is going with

The Richmond strategy is going to be 'let's try what the Suns did in 2010' just without Gary Ablett Jnr signed on. If they have even 1 or 2 busts in their current draft hand then they are in for some monumental long term pain.

 

[RobHawk]

The Richmond strategy is going to be 'let's try what the Suns did in 2010' just without Gary Ablett Jnr signed on. If they have even 1 or 2 busts in their current draft hand then they are in for some monumental long term pain.

You are probably on the money.
But at least Richmond supporters go into the new season with alot of expensive new toys and the optimism they bring.
West coast supporters will just have the occasional Harley cameo to provide any excitement

 

[Ned Ryerson]

You are probably on the money.
But at least Richmond supporters go into the new season with alot of expensive new toys and the optimism they bring.
West coast supporters will just have the occasional Harley cameo to provide any excitement

Oh I wouldn't want to be a supporter of either club right now - it would be bleak. But West Coast still have the second youngest and most inexperienced list - I don't think they need to pile even more kids on that. If they can lure Warner next year then they will be in a better place - if they miss out though it will be a big setback. If I was a Tiggers supporter I wouldn't be harbouring any optimism next year - just bracing myself for the absolute thrashings and hoping to hell some of the kids come on quickly.

 

[FB19]

Talented but seems lazy and only goes when he chooses.

Highly doubt we’d be looking at him.

We don’t have list spots to look at any DFAs and if we did not him. One draft pick Cody Anderson re-rookie Gunston that’s all folks.

 

[FB19]

The Richmond strategy is going to be 'let's try what the Suns did in 2010' just without Gary Ablett Jnr signed on. If they have even 1 or 2 busts in their current draft hand then they are in for some monumental long term pain.

To be fair what choice do they have? They didn’t make a decision then shop players they found themselves with players wanting to go and were incredibly lucky they wanted to go to clubs with great draft hands willing to overpay. They made the best of the situation with no other choice. Take 5/6 good kids push 2/3 picks live trades to next year and get a core group before Tassie is the strategy forced on them and far better than many other clubs including us post 2016 until Mitchell arrived.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

To be fair what choice do they have? They didn’t make a decision then shop players they found themselves with players wanting to go and were incredibly lucky they wanted to go to clubs with great draft hands willing to overpay. They made the best of the situation with no other choice. Take 5/6 good kids push 2/3 picks live trades to next year and get a core group before Tassie is the strategy forced on them and far better than many other clubs including us post 2016 until Mitchell arrived.

You're not wrong, and I am not saying it was an active choice - and what they did incredibly well was get stupidly good returns on investment for players. People just seem to think it is some amazing predicament - personally I think it is a roll of the dice they have to get right because they won't get a similar hand next year, have a bunch of players in their final years and their 'marquee' players in Taranto and Hopper are solid B+ players at the very best. If even a couple of these kids this year aren't quality 200-gamers then it'll be an ugly decade for them. The Suns had a far better draft hand in 2010, with one of the best players in the modern era in his prime and never came close to contending.

 

[FB19]

You're not wrong, and I am not saying it was an active choice - and what they did incredibly well was get stupidly good returns on investment for players. People just seem to think it is some amazing predicament - personally I think it is a roll of the dice they have to get right because they won't get a similar hand next year, have a bunch of players in their final years and their 'marquee' players in Taranto and Hopper are solid B+ players at the very best. If even a couple of these kids this year aren't quality 200-gamers then it'll be an ugly decade for them. The Suns had a far better draft hand in 2010, with one of the best players in the modern era in his prime and never came close to contending.

True but tge main difference to the suns, is the tigers have success now and a huge fan base so much more likely to be able to bring players in to complement these drafts. But they have to get at least 6 200 gamers from these 2 drafts or it will be a long down period.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

My only issue with offering LDU this kind've money which you'd assume would have to be more than what we just gave Battle to net the Roos Band 1 compo is that we need to start being wary that oppo clubs will start to come for our young guns with godfather offers.

I'm not saying that players like LDU and Battle aren't great players but rather that we need to be smart managing our salary cap flexibility wisely. I'd hate for us to get to a point were we were to acquire LDU only to then lose a MacKenzie or Macdonald because we got blown out of the water with an offer we just couldn't get anywhere near.

All I'm saying is it's all good and well to chase after players but we also have to make sure there's a scope to retain our quality kids that will eventually want / earn a bigger slice of the pie.

You don’t win an award for not losing players.

The ooga booga paranoia of someone coming after one of your youngsters shouldn’t make you double take improving your 22.

We are in it to win flags, players who don’t think they can be part of that and opt out for $$$ elsewhere will more than likely be no great loss.

 

[daniel23]

Oh I wouldn't want to be a supporter of either club right now - it would be bleak. But West Coast still have the second youngest and most inexperienced list - I don't think they need to pile even more kids on that. If they can lure Warner next year then they will be in a better place - if they miss out though it will be a big setback. If I was a Tiggers supporter I wouldn't be harbouring any optimism next year - just bracing myself for the absolute thrashings and hoping to hell some of the kids come on quickly.

Look past reid and maybe hough and there isn't much youth on their list that is exciting . They are fortunate they have 2 stars in the forward half who are young enough, but 5 of their top 10 in the bnf this season are 30+ or have left. It's a disaster they're only taking 1 first round pick this year and will likely give up 2 very high picks next season for Warner. While the likes of McGovern, yeo,Kelly, cripps all retire within 3 years and you can probably throw in liam Ryan, the list manager has his work cut out.

But their supporters are delusional and think their youth is good , while barely winning a game in 2 seasons in the wafl. I read one supporter say that archer reid is going to be the second best kpp after nate caddy from last year's draft.

 

[MazHawk]

If what I've been told is true, we're dealing with Swans.
33 & F1 for pick 19 and F3. There may be other picks involved.
If that happens there must really be someone we're targeting who's rated to go in the low 20's.

 

[Bugs1977]

You don’t win an award for not losing players.

The ooga booga paranoia of someone coming after one of your youngsters shouldn’t make you double take improving your 22.

We are in it to win flags, players who don’t think they can be part of that and opt out for $$$ elsewhere will more than likely be no great loss.

Mate all I was saying is that at some stage we need to be careful with our cap management. Yes we're in it to win flags and i'm all for that but all clubs at some stage have signed or extended a player for way more than they should've so it's got nothing to with being scared just smart.

I'm sure you'll find just as many here that would be against chasing after LDU on big $$$ as you would that are for it. Bringing him in on an offer big enough to net North Band 1 compensation would likely mean that he'd be our highest paid player and IMO he'd have to be someone that transforms our midfield into the best in the comp and I'm not totally sold that he would.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Bugs1977]

If what I've been told is true, we're dealing with Swans.
33 & F1 for pick 19 and F3. There may be other picks involved.
If that happens there must really be someone we're targeting who's rated to go in the low 20's.

If that's the case the I'm all for it. Worth noting that the last time we did this which netted us Weddle we were dealing with the Swans as well. Lets hope history repeats itself.

 

[Brant]

If what I've been told is true, we're dealing with Swans.
33 & F1 for pick 19 and F3. There may be other picks involved.
If that happens there must really be someone we're targeting who's rated to go in the low 20's.

There would want to be other picks involved. Like a 2nd coming back.

 

[hawkinoz]

If what I've been told is true, we're dealing with Swans.
33 & F1 for pick 19 and F3. There may be other picks involved.
If that happens there must really be someone we're targeting who's rated to go in the low 20's.

Won't be F3, will be F2.

If we hold 2 F2's won't need to hold a F3 to satisfy AFL rules.

So 33+F1 for 19+F2 sounds lot more fair and balanced

Obviously I would like the F3 as well and will give one of our F4's back

Either way, prefer we do this on draft night if the player we target is still available when pick 19 which will be pick 23 is called out.

If not, keep f1 and take whoever is available at 33(37).

Just having this plan in hand will likely force the hand of others who hold a pick they want to trade for futures to consider our offer.

GWS is likely to move their pick 16 to futures if they fail to bundle it with 15 to trade up. They hold 2 F2's( 22 & 33) & no F3.

 

[Blackhawk42]

If that's the case the I'm all for it. Worth noting that the last time we did this which netted us Weddle we were dealing with the Swans as well. Lets hope history repeats itself.

Sydney notoriously suck at drafting in this range, so they absolutely should be looking to move that pick on.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

Sydney notoriously suck at drafting in this range, so they absolutely should be looking to move that pick on.

Sydney have the weird mix of hitting on their rookies and ****ing up their national draft picks (academy excluded)

 

[TheFourPillars]

Won't be F3, will be F2.

If we hold 2 F2's won't need to hold a F3 to satisfy AFL rules.

So 33+F1 for 19+F2 sounds lot more fair and balanced

Obviously I would like the F3 as well and will give one of our F4's back

Either way, prefer we do this on draft night if the player we target is still available when pick 19 which will be pick 23 is called out.

If not, keep f1 and take whoever is available at 33(37).

Just having this plan in hand will likely force the hand of others who hold a pick they want to trade for futures to consider our offer.

GWS is likely to move their pick 16 to futures if they fail to bundle it with 15 to trade up. They hold 2 F2's( 22 & 33) & no F3.

You can forget about getting a fair deal mate. If u want to get 19 u r going to have give a lot or u won't get it. F1 33 FOR 19 AND F3 sounds about right given others that have moved up in the past.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

The Richmond strategy is going to be 'let's try what the Suns did in 2010' just without Gary Ablett Jnr signed on. If they have even 1 or 2 busts in their current draft hand then they are in for some monumental long term pain.

I feel like they'd be looking at the GWS blueprint for development, heavy drafting, and success. They could trade out on draft night and roll top picks over into the following season(s), and still be taking multiple firsts each year, for a few years yet.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I feel like they'd be looking at the GWS blueprint for development, heavy drafting, and success. They could trade out on draft night and roll top picks over into the following season(s), and still be taking multiple firsts each year, for a few years yet.

Quite possibly - but you only have so many drafts to work with until Tassie compromise a few so it’s a harder play this time around. Also both GWS and Gold Coast had stronger draft hands in their expansion drafts - Richmond next year will resemble an expansion side without quite as impressive a draft hand. By comparison GWS had 9 picks inside the top 15, 4 of them in the top 5 and 6 of them in the top 10 overall. Granted this year’s draft is touted to go deep so Richmond having a few less picks might still end up snaring more talent. For mine I’d still be pretty pessimistic if I was a Tigers fan despite the good hand this year.

 

[VandoHawk]

You can forget about getting a fair deal mate. If u want to get 19 u r going to have give a lot or u won't get it. F1 33 FOR 19 AND F3 sounds about right given others that have moved up in the past.

Weddle deal was also signficant "overs" but got us the player we wanted. If we nail the pick, it's always worth it.

 

[cryptor]

Weddle deal was also signficant "overs" but got us the player we wanted. If we nail the pick, it's always worth it.

This is the key difference. You're not just trading for a pick that might get you the player you hope is available. Assuming you're trading for the pick when it's live then you are actually trading for the exact player you wanted.

That's always worth more than a chance and clubs would be happy to pay the premium for that certainty.