Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

2024 Picks



2025 Picks

 

[The hands of stone]

Does anyone understand how pick purchasing might work? Would clubs purchase picks out of their cap allowance? If so, why would another club agree to sell given they (presumably) can't just roll the cash they get into their own cap (or can they?). If they rolled it into internal revenue then wouldn't the AFL just cut the allowance the club receives the following year on the basis that they had received a windfall for the sold pick?

And how does it work for clubs like us, the Tiges, Pies and Eagles, given we receive minimum money for the AFL? I guess we would be bidding for picks against clubs using money they got from the AFL that we didn't?! If the Roos out bid us for a pick using the extra money they get from the AFL I'd be pretty p*ssed off!

Anyone actually know how these schemes work?

Would imagine basically like this

Dees have pick 22 and are tight on the cap .
We offer $600k of cap relief for the pick . They accept and thats the trade .

Obviously thats basic and it could be more complex but would be the premise .
Would allow a club like us with huge cap space to bolster our draft hand and accelerate a rebuild .

 

[Hawker399]

Those suggesting a F1 for Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

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are hoping we will be better in 2025. I reckon that's unlikely. Anyway Smith is worth a 1st rounder perhaps around Pick 7. But we a very likely to have a lower pick than that. However we must move forward, pay the price and improve our list.

 

[TylerDurden]

True. All parts. I was more confident, but not sure, 10 days ago. I believe his management is using us. We need a commitment.

Surely we blow them out of the water with coin.

 

[Elhawko]

It’s good that you listened to the Pod with McCartney but now the hard part for you is you have to stop making declarations of where the list is at for talent based on the win/loss columns and wait and actually see what the year

Would imagine basically like this

Dees have pick 22 and are tight on the cap .
We offer $600k of cap relief for the pick . They accept and thats the trade .

Obviously thats basic and it could be more complex but would be the premise .
Would allow a club like us with huge cap space to bolster our draft hand and accelerate a rebuild .

Ahhh...so we take on a part of their cap. Yes, that makes sense. Thanks.

 

[Brant]

Ahhh...so we take on a part of their cap. Yes, that makes sense. Thanks.

We'd essentially be selling them cap space/relief is my understanding - not actual money.

I.e. let's say Cap is $10m.
We 'sell' club x $800k cap relief (is included in our cap, not theirs) - they give us Pick 14 etc.

They use that $800k to pay for player(s) they wanted to retain/acquire. We use that Pick 14 to Trade/Draft in player(s) we want.

Not connected with revenue or AFL payments. Only concerned with salary payments.

 

[Turly]

Money, money, money!!

Hahaha we offer a mil at 7 years and they offer 500k at 4 years + a land package on the beach for the rest of his life.

 

[earthworms]

We could offer Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

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24

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

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18.3

5star

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8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

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2.3

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3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

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10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

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3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

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7.2

5star

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2.0

3star

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3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

700k-900k for 6 years and swap our 2025 first with the dogs, and give them a future second. We will model Ben mackay’s contract, front loading smith’s contract with ~1 mil the first year, then ~900k the second etc.

Hawthorn receive:	Bailey Smith, 2025 Bulldogs 1st
Bulldogs receive:	2025 Hawthorn 1st, 2025 Hawthorn 2nd

 

[Blackhawk42]

you got no clue. He's going at 84% this year. Stop being bitter just because Sleepy couldn't land our targets.

He's a useless footballer getting by on height and athleticism. I never wanted him at Hawthorn.

 

[Ashman23]

let's say the Doggies finish quite low and for some reason we finish higher than them.

If they happen to delist Baz and we sign him, they'd get a pick after theirs as compensation or do delisted free agents not attract compensation picks?

 

[earthworms]

let's say the Doggies finish quite low and for some reason we finish higher than them.

If they happen to delist Baz and we sign him, they'd get a pick after theirs as compensation or do delisted free agents not attract compensation picks?

Dogs delisting baz would be 6D chess. Don't know if they could do that since he might have another year on his contract.

 

[Brant]

let's say the Doggies finish quite low and for some reason we finish higher than them.

If they happen to delist Baz and we sign him, they'd get a pick after theirs as compensation or do delisted free agents not attract compensation picks?

No compensation

 

[mustang]

Is Jarrod Berry

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Jarrod Berry

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26

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192cm

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17.0

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9.4

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7.6

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3.6

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10.6

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4.4

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6.2

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1.8

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2.8

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0.8

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as a FA someone we should look at can’t remember how he plays is he the same as what we have.

 

[earthworms]

Is Jarrod Berry as a FA someone we should look at can’t remember how he plays is he the same as what we have.

Restricted free agent at the end of the year pretty sure

 

[Iceman!]

Is Jarrod Berry as a FA someone we should look at can’t remember how he plays is he the same as what we have.

Good player at his best but yeah as you mentioned we have very similar.

Not a great fit for our midfield mix, slow accountable inside mid is not something we are crying out for.

 

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[Dewnior]

Frost has been kicking at 90% efficiency this year with disposal efficiency of 95% compared to 70% kicking and 77% disposal eff last year.

Yep, kicking efficiency was never Frosty's issue, it was decision making which appears to have improved this season so far. Could be maturity or a change of a coaching mindset change. Whatever it is it's working.

 

[Hawker55]

He's a useless footballer getting by on height and athleticism. I never wanted him at Hawthorn.

You realise this is exactly why we wanted him here right?

 

[Blackhawk42]

You realise this is exactly why we wanted him here right?

Got a Frost for that.

 

[theiaofseed]

you got no clue. He's going at 84% this year. Stop being bitter just because Sleepy couldn't land our targets.

Frost is going at 95% by foot this year.

 

[bindas12]

Frost is going at 95% by foot this year.

And if he continues to go at 95%, then he would a fantastic contributor to our team. don't get your point. If you just go by the past and not take the potential into account, you're judging players wrong. anyway, we couldn't land him, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a good player.

 

[tl92]

And if he continues to go at 95%, then he would a fantastic contributor to our team. don't get your point. If you just go by the past and not take the potential into account, you're judging players wrong. anyway, we couldn't land him, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a good player.

Esava is a bang average player.

 

[Goatie]

Gws and GC have a lot of talent of their list that are not playing seniors.

Max Gruzewski, Leek Aleer, Isaac Cumming

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Isaac Cumming

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26

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188cm

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84kg

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11.2

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6.0

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5.2

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2.4

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158.0

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9.5

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5.0

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4.5

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1.5

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10.6

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5.6

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5.0

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2.8

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2.6

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, Joel Jeffrey and Jy Farrar.

We need to target some of these kids with long term contracts and more money. Try to get these players for late picks or in the preseason draft.

 

[nelk boys]

Gws and GC have a lot of talent of their list that are not playing seniors.

Max Gruzewski, Leek Aleer, Isaac Cumming, Joel Jeffrey and Jy Farrar.

We need to target some of these kids with long term contracts and more money. Try to get these players for late picks or in the preseason draft.

Humphries was high on our list. Shame we couldn't get Flanders done.

 

[Topiary]

Humphries was high on our list. Shame we couldn't get Flanders done.

Flanders for personal reasons wanted to stay with GC.

 

[RoughandLove]

The Sam Taylor

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Sam Taylor

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25

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198cm

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95kg

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10.0

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4.6

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2.1

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130.5

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8.0

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2.5

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5.5

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2.8

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60.8

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1.2

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chase is well & truly on. We are trying to make him the highest paid player EVER.


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