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WalshistheGOAT said:
Interesting stuff, thanks.

Only tidbits I have is from the boys on the K-Rock Cat Attack Pod who generally get good mail - said they don't expect him to be around after this year.

And my uncle who works at a club who was fighting for his signature before he chose the Cats originally who said there's a bit more to the Stengle story than the public would know, they were almost certain they had him secured but he flipped to the Cattery at the last minute due to some personal reasons he wouldn't tell me.

Overall I have no clue what he'll do, wouldnt be surprised if he left the Cats but I don't think Betts and his wife would be happy with him going to the Saints or Dons who have notoriously poor off field standards re drinking, drugs etc. Just hope to god it's not to the Pies if he were to leave.
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Cats went the extra mile appointing Eddie as an "assistant coach" of sorts to keep him happy / in line. I think this was a big part of the recruitment. Very smart work by the cats who (sadly) are generally very smart.
 
Garters said:
Spoke with someone pre the commencement of his current contract about a year and a bit ago and the discussion was along 'we've managed to keep the contract as short as possible, we have got him at his highest value, will nurture him through this contract but the risk becomes asymmetric to the down side and would prob look look to move him on if we can get the right deal' This was pre this 12 month contract. The fact he got rid of his manager not long after that extension and Bett's wife been filling the void still, prob not optimal. Would be obtainable but Geelong won't roll over easily as per usual modus operandi.
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Pretty sure though that Stengle is an unrestricted free agent (as he was previously delisted by the Crows) so the Cats would have no say in it at all. If he decides to go he can take whatever offer he wants
 

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DEliades said:
800k for Stengle is madness.
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Given the money thrown around at present it is not madness. Someone will pay it.

Fair to say Geelong with their structures will not (unless he is interested in real estate). Surely we would not consider that sort of money. We have more critical stars playing for similar or slightly better money and have big contracts in the offing for Weitering and De Koning, as well as upgrades realistically required for the Hollands, Kempy, Boyd, Cincotta and others with upcoming contracts.

We cannot afford outliers financially, or our structures and morale break down.

The Williams rejuvenation and redeployment have left us in good stead for small and medium forwards. I still believe we have yet to see the best of Motlop and Durdin. The role play of Fogarty, Cottrell, Owies is consistently high quality, and we have players like Elijah Hollands forging a hybrid role likely to stay similar for at least a couple of years.

Small forwards emerge as much from late and rookie picks as they do high draft selections. Due diligence will ultimately find us another prospect soon enough. The modern small forward is as much about pressure as it is about x-factor scoreboard impact.

We are sitting second and are a top end force in the competition with our game still developing, we do not need massive outlay for dollar driven small forward mercenaries. If we must trade, there are actually a number of high quality small forward prospects currently in rival reserves teams waiting for the chance to show their wares. Konstanty must be getting very toey waiting for opportunity in Sydney.
 
Bailey Smith for mine.

Sure he's not a Bull like Heeney and Warner ... but more like a Walsh who is always in the action picking up possessions. Having another Walsh in the team would be awesome. He's a tough nut that Bailey fella ... which is good for us.
Not a fan of injury prone Players. Can't count on them being fit for finals.

ps. And I do like Stengle ... would look good in a Carlton guernsey. Eddie Betts should be whispering in his Wife's ear about coming to Carlton. I'm sure Eddie would like him at the Blues ;D
 
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After seeing TDK and E Hollands step up on the weekend, I went to check our players who are 25 or under. That list includes the following:
25: Jordan Boyd, Lachlan Fogarty
24: Tom De Koning, Adam Cerra, Matt Cottrell
23: Sam Walsh
22: Brodie Kemp, Corey Durdin, Elijah Hollands
21: Jack Carroll
20: Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Harry Lemmey
19: Jaxon Binns, Lachlan Cowan, Hudson O'Keeffe, Ashton Moir

There's some fair talent coming through in that list!
 
BlueSuede said:
After seeing TDK and E Hollands step up on the weekend, I went to check our players who are 25 or under. That list includes the following:
25: Jordan Boyd, Lachlan Fogarty
24: Tom De Koning, Adam Cerra, Matt Cottrell
23: Sam Walsh
22: Brodie Kemp, Corey Durdin, Elijah Hollands
21: Jack Carroll
20: Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands, Harry Lemmey
19: Jaxon Binns, Lachlan Cowan, Hudson O'Keeffe, Ashton Moir

There's some fair talent coming through in that list!
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26: Jacob Weitering, Harry McKay, JSOS
27: Charlie Curnow, Matthew Kennedy, Alex Cincotta
That's several years still...
 
yeh Stengel on $800k isn’t crazy. Maybe not the right investment for us but it’s not huge money. It’s not far off Martin probably similar to Saad and way less then Williams and Gov type money without having to trade.
If a side thinks he transforms their forward line (which he probably could ours) then I understand why they go for him at that price.
 
Garters said:
Spoke with someone pre the commencement of his current contract about a year and a bit ago and the discussion was along 'we've managed to keep the contract as short as possible, we have got him at his highest value, will nurture him through this contract but the risk becomes asymmetric to the down side and would prob look look to move him on if we can get the right deal' This was pre this 12 month contract. The fact he got rid of his manager not long after that extension and Bett's wife been filling the void still, prob not optimal. Would be obtainable but Geelong won't roll over easily as per usual modus operandi.
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He’s a free agent, he goes where he wants to go


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We can't keep Cunners, Marchy and Jack Martin on the list next year. We've been more than patient. This year is emblematic of the issues they cause both our firsts and seconds through lack of availability.

I think we should retain Jack Martin. Can't imagine it would cost us the earth as other clubs will be wary to invest too heavily into him. Out of the three of them, Jack provides the greatest value in terms of on field output when he plays. Still hoping he will have significant impact this year.

Like the sound of what Cody Walker might be able to bring to the team.
 
Bye Activities: Interesting to see who are our Top 10 players now?

1. Cripps
2. Weitering
3. Charlie
4. Walsh
5. McKay

safe to say I think this is everyone's top 5?

6. Cerra
7. TDK
8. E Hollands
9. Saad
10. McGovern*

That would be my 6-10.

Unlucky (in order): Martin*, Acres, Newman, Hewett, Kennedy, Williams

* = when fit!
 
SOS Rules said:
We can't keep Cunners, Marchy and Jack Martin on the list next year. We've been more than patient. This year is emblematic of the issues they cause both our firsts and seconds through lack of availability.

I think we should retain Jack Martin. Can't imagine it would cost us the earth as other clubs will be wary to invest too heavily into him. Out of the three of them, Jack provides the greatest value in terms of on field output when he plays. Still hoping he will have significant impact this year.

Like the sound of what Cody Walker might be able to bring to the team.
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Go after stengle, lose Martin.

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Moon said:
Bailey Smith for mine.

Sure he's not a Bull like Heeney and Warner ... but more like a Walsh who is always in the action picking up possessions. Having another Walsh in the team would be awesome. He's a tough nut that Bailey fella ... which is good for us.
Not a fan of injury prone Players. Can't count on them being fit for finals.

ps. And I do like Stengle ... would look good in a Carlton guernsey. Eddie Betts should be whispering in his Wife's ear about coming to Carlton. I'm sure Eddie would like him at the Blues ;D
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I doubt that we'd have any great interest in B. Smith. Not that he can't play but you have to first pay his trade cost (Dogs would ve looking for a lowish first rounder) and his salary (maybe close to $1 mill a year). In return you get a player returning from a full ACL with a drug strike and to be honest a bit of a history of petulance.

There will be others with worse midfields that want to pay that price. I doubt that we will.
 
TENACIOUS said:
You could be right, available list spots are reducing and they are still unsigned…

Martin and Marchbank would be stiff, but Cuningham is more bigfooty myth than any on field substance…

Could see Marchbank getting a rookie spot with our lack of KPD stocks..
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Voss made reference (don't recall when) to our systems improving with better players this year. That's talking about Elijah. GG, Cunners...
 
Reckons that journo's must come and read our posts.....zerohanger have put together a list of 5 players we should be targeting post season. No surprises here....

  • Bailey Banfield
  • Tyson Stengle
  • Ben Ainsworth
  • Conor Stone
  • Jacob Konstanty

www.zerohanger.com

Five trade targets for every AFL team: Carlton Blues

Who could Carlton be chasing ahead of the off-season?
www.zerohanger.com www.zerohanger.com
 
Don't know if it's been discussed already, and I'm only spit balling here, but.........

Would a swap of:
Mitch McGovern and our 1st round pick
to Westcoast for
Tom Barrass and their second round pick be something to look at.

Maybe with another sweetener for them because that trade is probably in our favour.
 
Les Grossman playaaaa said:
Don't know if it's been discussed already, and I'm only spit balling here, but.........

Would a swap of:
Mitch McGovern and our 1st round pick
to Westcoast for
Tom Barrass and their second round pick be something to look at.

Maybe with another sweetener for them because that trade is probably in our favour.
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No chance.
 
Juddernaut08 said:
Bye Activities: Interesting to see who are our Top 10 players now?

1. Cripps
2. Weitering
3. Charlie
4. Walsh
5. McKay

safe to say I think this is everyone's top 5?

6. Cerra
7. TDK
8. E Hollands
9. Saad
10. McGovern*

That would be my 6-10.

Unlucky (in order): Martin*, Acres, Newman, Hewett, Kennedy, Williams

* = when fit!
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In order, I did it by player ability as opposed to structural importance to us.

1 Charlie - No one in our side can break the game apart like him. Sets up goals too which is underrated. He's in the realm of players known by first names, not second. Next level superstardom.
2 Cripps
3 McKay - I think almost underrated at this point. His work up field taking contested marks on the wing/back flank is huge. Just about a career year imo.
4 Weitering - Structurally probably #1, but in terms of player ability he's at 4 for me.
5 Walsh - His ball use drops him a little. Too much blazing long without looking knocks him down slightly for me. If he lowered the eyes more he would be a Brownlow contender - even more than he has been.
6 Saad
7 McGovern
8 TDK - with a bullet. Will fly up if he keeps playing as sole ruck and not as #2 ruck/forward.
9 Acres - Impact in moments over stats for me. The amount of impact he has in 4th qtrs in close games at both ends is unbelievable.
10 Cerra - fitness counts. Availability is an ability and he's missed a bit this season. If fit for the back half will likely climb the list.

You're right I think broadly the top 5 write themselves, the order may change but the names are the same. The next 5 are a bit tricky.
 
Juddernaut08 said:
Bye Activities: Interesting to see who are our Top 10 players now?

1. Cripps
2. Weitering
3. Charlie
4. Walsh
5. McKay

safe to say I think this is everyone's top 5?

6. Cerra
7. TDK
8. E Hollands
9. Saad
10. McGovern*

That would be my 6-10.

Unlucky (in order): Martin*, Acres, Newman, Hewett, Kennedy, Williams

* = when fit!
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I'd go

1. Cripps
2. Weitering
3. Curnow
4. Walsh
5. McKay
6. TDK
7. Saad
8. Newman
9. McGovern
10. Williams

Unlucky: Cerra, Hewett, Acres, Docherty, E.Hollands, Martin

First 5 pretty clear. Top 4 you could raffle in any order, but I think McKay is behind them all.

Walsh and Charlie should probably be ahead of Weiters but Charlie hasn't been as consistent this year while Walsh needs to sharpen up his ball use to, so I have rewarded Weiters consistency.

There are 8-10 players who could make up spots 6-10. TDK if he keeps up this form could join the top bracket, so I have him best of the rest for now.

Saad, Newman, Gov could be in any order. Saad clearly ahead a few years ago but has regressed slightly while the other 2 have improved. Comes down to which traits you value.

I have Williams 10th based on his extraordinary last month as a forward. Could easily slide back if he regresses but happy to go with recency bias for now.

Cerra unlucky. Could easily be back at 6-7 by the end of the year but his form when fit this year has been underwhelming. Not bad but well off what he produced last year.
 
Garters said:
Spoke with someone pre the commencement of his current contract about a year and a bit ago and the discussion was along 'we've managed to keep the contract as short as possible, we have got him at his highest value, will nurture him through this contract but the risk becomes asymmetric to the down side and would prob look look to move him on if we can get the right deal' This was pre this 12 month contract. The fact he got rid of his manager not long after that extension and Bett's wife been filling the void still, prob not optimal. Would be obtainable but Geelong won't roll over easily as per usual modus operandi.
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By Geelong roll over, you mean not pay up?

I’d suggest the only reason he’s looking or the stories are out there, is because their offer doesn’t meet his valuation in the market.

Geelong have no say here, he’s a UFA
 
We have discussed whether our players are on contracts in line with the increase in the salary cap, for any club where most st player contracts are not, they are going to have a lot of $$$$ to target players.

The cap rises $2M next year alone, if there was a any free agent that plays an area of need, we should have no hesitation to pay up.

When the cap goes up by $2M in one year, paying AA calibre players $800,000 per year, isn’t crazy money, it will be closer to the norm.
 
Les Grossman playaaaa said:
Don't know if it's been discussed already, and I'm only spit balling here, but.........

Would a swap of:
Mitch McGovern and our 1st round pick
to Westcoast for
Tom Barrass and their second round pick be something to look at.

Maybe with another sweetener for them because that trade is probably in our favour.
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Barrass contracted til the end of 2027, Eagles in a rebuild but would want to be contending for finals again within 2-3 years.

They're not flipping a key pillar of their backline in the prime of his career for an older, injury-prone third tall defender and a (maybe) 4-5 spot upgrade on their second rounder.

Gov's in our best 22, he genuinely makes our backline much better. Waiting in the wings behind him we have Young (suspect), Marchy (perennially injured) and Durdin (both suspect and perennially injured). So if we trade McGovern, we need another (younger, fitter?) McGovern coming in. Nobody is trading us a better version of McGovern for McGovern.

If we wanted Barrass, we'd need to dangle something that helps them significantly in their rebuild, and hope that they're prepared to cover a key defensive post in the short term in the interests of long term gain. To me that starts with our first rounder this year and next, as well as Jack Carroll. They'd probably still want more.

Is it worth it for us....? Maybe. Two late firsts and a fringe midfielder for a best 22 KPD - it's steep, but it could buy us a flag.

Barrass absolutely helps us for the next 4-5 years. We could cut Marchy and Durdin, Weiters gets to play a bit more freely, Gov becomes genuine third tall, Kemp gets squeezed to depth or can be trialled in other parts of the ground while still being able to swing him back if needed, and Young stays as cheap KPP depth.

We've got a few F/S players coming in, so we're still able to get some bankable kids in the draft (bankable being very likely to become reasonable role players at the very least). It means we can defer the drafting of a KPD for a few more years, pick on up when Barrass and Weiters are both in their 30s with a view to handing the baton after a 2-3 year VFL apprenticeship for the kid.

Would mean we're probably maxed out on cap space for the foreseeable future and are at the mercy of any player who decides they want to maximise their contract value on the market. Also means we'd probably be fully committed to Williams as a small forward, with Fogarty, Motlop and Owies the other starters down there, and Durdin/Fantasia as depth.
 
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