List Mgmt. 2024 List Management 📃

[WalshistheGOAT]

Question to everyone - How much salary space do we think Cunners, Marchy, Martin etc would free up? Would it help us potentially secure a free agent or trade in a quality player?

I think a lot rests on Doch's call on his future but they'd have to be on more than a draftee which we'll be loading up on a few with the Campo boys and some MSD picks?

Could just as easily see them all staying, unreliable bodies aside all can play at the level when fit.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Question to everyone - How much salary space do we think Cunners, Marchy, Martin etc would free up? Would it help us potentially secure a free agent or trade in a quality player?

I think a lot rests on Doch's call on his future but they'd have to be on more than a draftee which we'll be loading up on a few with the Campo boys and some MSD picks?

Could just as easily see them all staying, unreliable bodies aside all can play at the level when fit.

Martin not much, given his contract was front-ended to ensure we could get him in the PSD.

Cunners and Marchy signed one-year extensions late last year, so can't imagine they'd have been on much either.

I think Martin is the "safest", Marchbank close behind. They miss games, but positionally we're not loaded with elite options behind them and they inevitably walk into the starting lineup whenever they're actually fit. I'd think they'll be retained unless we can get a commitment from a free agent pretty early in the piece - won't be a "cut them and see what we can get instead" approach, it'd have to be a "Player X is on the hook, so we need to free up some cap space and a senior list spot" one.

Cunners on the other hand, I'm sad to say I think his papers are stamped. He's 27 years old, has only played 55 games, never more than 12 in a season, and occupies an awkward spot on the list as neither a dedicated forward or midfielder. We went and recruited Elijah Hollands and Orazio Fantasia, Fogarty and Carroll have started to demonstrate form that demands retention, and we've got Ben Campo on the horizon as a likely midfield option too. Cunners isn't over the hill at 27, but there's only so much development you can do when a player is regularly out with an injury. Credit to him, his skills are still impressive when he gets on the park, but continuity from others will cement them ahead of his natural talent.

I'd probably look to move on Cunners, go hard for Sam Wicks from Sydney (on the assumption that there's some bad blood there now that can be exploited), and move Martin and/or Marchy to the rookie list for one more year.

 

[Coops93]

Question to everyone - How much salary space do we think Cunners, Marchy, Martin etc would free up? Would it help us potentially secure a free agent or trade in a quality player?

I think a lot rests on Doch's call on his future but they'd have to be on more than a draftee which we'll be loading up on a few with the Campo boys and some MSD picks?

Could just as easily see them all staying, unreliable bodies aside all can play at the level when fit.

Without knowing I'd suggest Cunners and Marchy would be quite cheap, and close to the minimum.

Martin iirc is still on the deal we signed him on initially and I believe that was around ~$500k per yr after his first season.

So, between them all we could probably at best get a B grader. There's not a huge saving to be made.

 

[ajs071]

IMO time to cut the cord with Martin, Cunningham and maybe Marchbank. Too Injury prone

 

[Monty1978]

Question to everyone - How much salary space do we think Cunners, Marchy, Martin etc would free up? Would it help us potentially secure a free agent or trade in a quality player?

I think a lot rests on Doch's call on his future but they'd have to be on more than a draftee which we'll be loading up on a few with the Campo boys and some MSD picks?

Could just as easily see them all staying, unreliable bodies aside all can play at the level when fit.

I reckon Martin 400-450k , he would have incentives in play which he won’t reach now …. Marchbank and cunners probably about 200k so 900k total … least with that we might get a player who stays on the park…. I like cunners but we have gone past him … Martin is so injury prone it’s not funny so would let him walk … Marchbank is the one I would keep regardless

 

[branedotorg]

I reckon Martin 400-450k , he would have incentives in play which he won’t reach now …. Marchbank and cunners probably about 200k so 900k total … least with that we might get a player who stays on the park…. I like cunners but we have gone past him … Martin is so injury prone it’s not funny so would let him walk … Marchbank is the one I would keep regardless

Martin was on three & a half million over five years with the first two million in 2020 and 2021 but the covid changes meant it was renegotiated after he lost a big chunk. 600-650k/year on his current contract, which is talent suitable but certainly not from a games played perspective.

 

[katmanblue]

Question to everyone - How much salary space do we think Cunners, Marchy, Martin etc would free up? Would it help us potentially secure a free agent or trade in a quality player?

I think a lot rests on Doch's call on his future but they'd have to be on more than a draftee which we'll be loading up on a few with the Campo boys and some MSD picks?

Could just as easily see them all staying, unreliable bodies aside all can play at the level when fit.

With no data to back it up, I'd guess the first three would be on between 350-450k. Doc probably closer to 600k.

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[WalshistheGOAT]

With no data to back it up, I'd guess the first three would be on between 350-450k. Doc probably closer to 600k.

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That would be my guess too. Think I heard last week that first round draftees are up to around 220k nowadays including match payments

 

[katmanblue]

Martin was on three & a half million over five years with the first two million in 2020 and 2021 but the covid changes meant it was renegotiated after he lost a big chunk. 600-650k/year on his current contract, which is talent suitable but certainly not from a games played perspective.

I wonder if any of Martin's is outside the cap.

As the original contract meant he would be paid about 300-350 this year. It was the AFL's intervention that made the renegotiation necessary.

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[Monty1978]

Martin was on three & a half million over five years with the first two million in 2020 and 2021 but the covid changes meant it was renegotiated after he lost a big chunk. 600-650k/year on his current contract, which is talent suitable but certainly not from a games played perspective.

But if you don’t play you generally don’t reach your incentives so 400 off the books next year is my guess … what do you reckon

 

[Blue__Balls]

Need to remember that whatever cap space they occupy, it's only technically relevant for this season.

Cutting them at season's end might, at face value, seem to free up $1mil worth of cap space for next year, but if we have other players whose 2025 contracts include higher salaries that they're getting in 2024 then technically we're over the cap until we cut others back.

Simple terms - if everything else is even, but Charlie and Harry have back-ended or skewed contracts, and each will be paid $300k more in 2025, then without any list changes we would be $600k over the cap in 2025. Replacing Martin, Marchy and Cunners with draftees would then only bring us back to the cap limit, not open up $1mil in cap space for a free agent.

 

[Stamos]

Cunners on the other hand, I'm sad to say I think his papers are stamped.

Reckon 3 games into the year might be a bit early to make such a call

 

[Blue__Balls]

Reckon 3 games into the year might be a bit early to make such a call

Probably. But another calf injury already, a reasonably strong debut from Hollands, and a threadbare list of more attractive delist/trade options don't bode well for him.

He got a one-year extension last year, that's fairly telling - "perform or you're at risk". Difficult to perform when you're in the rehab group, and if the bloke who takes your place takes his chances, then the opportunities dry up pretty quick.

I've liked Cunners since day one. I still like him. I'd love him to get back, get a run in the guts, and put on a clinic for the rest of the year akin to that glorious game he dished up against the Bombers. Maybe he'll be this year's Fogarty - come from the clouds in the second half of the year and demand a new contract. Realistically though, he's on a knife-edge.

Also - at the very least you could quote my whole post instead of cherry-picking one line. I outlined my thought process for that comment, and it's rather unfair to remove the context which I'd provided.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

We got rid of 1/4 of the perennially injured last year only, The other 3/4 I’m sure only survived because they magically strung some games together.

We can’t continue to be hamstrung year after year with what is more likely to happen than not. We should have cash to throw at the free agency market to fill one or two of those list spots and move a couple more of the perennially injured on.


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[The Blue Weirdo]

We tried Kemp as 3rd forward before
It wasn't good

Kemp was a pretty average defender around the time he was trialled as a 3rd FWD.
He's much more confident now. Let him loose on the forward line and give Young another crack at Marchy's spot.

 

[Magruder]

Kemp was a pretty average defender around the time he was trialled as a 3rd FWD.
He's much more confident now. Let him loose on the forward line and give Young another crack at Marchy's spot.

I see the logic, but who does Young play on?
Changes the whole dynamic of the back half.

Young could provide a ruck chop out I suppose.

Reckon we are more likely to bring Kemp back to play the role.

Continuity.

Need a plan for Kemp to diversify but not this week.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I see the logic, but who does Young play on?
Changes the whole dynamic of the back half.

Reckon we are more likely to bring Kemp back to play the role.

Continuity.

Need a plan for Kemp to diversify but not this week.

With Martin gone for another 6 weeks, now is a great time to view Kemps forward marking threat ability.
If Young was adequate in defence combined with Weiters, then that'd be an extra bonus.

 

[Magruder]

With Martin gone for another 6 weeks, now is a great time to view Kemps forward marking threat ability.
If Young was adequate in defence combined with Weiters, then that'd be an extra bonus.

But what role does Young play?

 

[Beyond Blue]

Did Barrass re-sign with WC recently? He'd be top of the list. If we cleared Youngs salary + 2 others we may be able to squeeze in another decent sized contract.

Barrass did an interview recently saying his back is really bad and basically he is one more bad hit away from retirement, so as good as he is I hope we don’t bring him in. Not to mention he’d be expensive.

North would have to overpay us to let Young go because he is contracted and at least a decent back up option. Caleb Graham, who can’t get a game at the Suns, could be a cheaper option.

I’ve always liked Grainger-Barrass and Busslinger but I’d imagine we’d have to overpay (at least in terms of their current output) as their clubs won’t want to give away a former first round draftee cheaply.

Personally I am happy with the current tall options down back - Weitering, Gov and Marchy first choice with Young, Surdin and Kemp deputising. I’d say that’s the right mix and better than what most other clubs have.

I’d be keen for us getting some cheap cover at tall forward with SOS done for the year. Reality is we will have trouble attracting key forwards as they will always be behind C & H. Maybe someone like ex-Sun McLaughlin?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

But what role does Young play?

Marchy > Young

Kennedy > Kemp

 

[Arr0w]

Kennedy > Kemp

Wouldn't even be on the radar for Voss and Co

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Wouldn't even be on the radar for Voss and Co

Probably.
I'm just joining in the discussion about what I'd do, still very early in the season to worry about settled line ups as opposed to continuity.

I'd be expecting Voss to bring in Pitto because he's comfortable with a slow contested midfield.
And he might be right, until we face a balanced, fast rebounding side.

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I do think a developing Kemp is a far better marking forward than TDK, and introducing Pitto buggers up our forward line a bit.
And Kennedy does have that 3rd tall forward role in Martins absence.(although he's not suited to the job)

 

[Arr0w]

Probably.
I'm just joining in the discussion about what I'd do, still very early in the season to worry about settled line ups as opposed to continuity.

I'd be expecting Voss to bring in Pitto because he's comfortable with a slow contested midfield.
And he might be right, until we face a balanced, fast rebounding side.

That could be the case, but I can't see Kemp coming in as a forward/mid at the expense of Kennedy, when he hasn’t shown consistent form in that role at VFL level

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

That could be the case, but I can't see Kemp coming in as a forward/mid at the expense of Kennedy, when he hasn’t shown consistent form in that role at VFL level

Martin's longer than expected stint on the sidelines creates an opportunity for Kemp, he was threatening in the brief time they exposed him last VFL match.
One door closes, another opens up, perfect timing to try something different.
Kennedy hasn't looked like a dangerous forward either this year, it's not his strength.