List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

Prediction- Who is delisted this year(not retirements).

  • Berry

  • McCluggage

  • Lyons

  • McCarthy

  • Answerth

  • Lane

  • Prior

  • Madden

  • Lester

  • Joyce

  • Zorko

  • Michael

  • Brain

  • Reville


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Wonder how happy we are with MFC throwing its picks away to Essendon in the manner it did particularly those picks 40 (429) and 46 (331) and only leaving 49 (287) for Sharp?

Did we need the extra points even b/w 46 and 49 of 44 points or are they all inconsequetnail?
I don't think we will get any more than a 3rd round pick for Sharp and 44 points won't make much difference.
Ashcroft going at pick 2-5 and not pick 1 is by far the biggest points difference worry.
If Sharp ends up at another club hopefully he gets more AFL games.
Melbourne the logical place for him to go so 49 is reasonable.
Demons may want to see how the Oliver situation unfolds or doesn't until doing the Sharp trade.
If a deal can't be done for Sharp the club will be happy for him to stay and play a role.
 
They can just fill the airwaves with any crap because people are desperate for anything footy news. October is an awful period of radio listening... post GF but still waiting for cricket season to kick off!
...I've switched over to ABC. :oldman:
Yep, after this riveting trade period is finished on Wednesday evening I'll take my annual hiatus from Big Footy and see you good people around the start of pre season training.

#2025B2B
 
Yep, after this riveting trade period is finished on Wednesday evening I'll take my annual hiatus from Big Footy and see you good people around the start of pre season training.

#2025B2B
I would have done the same already but my current employment situation gives me more free time than I need, and I can only walk the dog so many times. I could do some professional development I guess... :sick:
 

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I maintained at the time and I still do that we should have done more to retain McStay at the time and seemed too willing in my view to let him go. Perhaps ponying up more $'s wouldn't have been the catalyst to keep him but as others have said, knowing that the salary cap was always increasing, it was probably the one list decision we've gotten wrong. Hard to argue when we get so much right but decent KPD are not dime a dozen.
 
I maintained at the time and I still do that we should have done more to retain McStay at the time and seemed too willing in my view to let him go. Perhaps ponying up more $'s wouldn't have been the catalyst to keep him but as others have said, knowing that the salary cap was always increasing, it was probably the one list decision we've gotten wrong. Hard to argue when we get so much right but decent KPD are not dime a dozen.

I think that’s too simplistic and you don’t know the flow on effect of keeping McStay. Could we have afforded Dunkley? Could we have afforded Dunkley and had enough for Hugh? Could we have afforded Doedee or to (hopefully re-sign) some guys next season if we had kept him? How would it have impacted our structure? Would we have won the flag this year?

Letting McStay go was absolutely the right call at the time.
 
If McStay had not left would we have felt the need to draft Logan Morris, if we did still draft him would he of got a look in this season if we had McStay?

Too many sliding door moments to definitively know even in hindsight if McStay leaving was a positive or negative long term.
 
I think that’s too simplistic and you don’t know the flow on effect of keeping McStay. Could we have afforded Dunkley? Could we have afforded Dunkley and had enough for Hugh? Could we have afforded Doedee or to (hopefully re-sign) some guys next season if we had kept him? How would it have impacted our structure? Would we have won the flag this year?

Letting McStay go was absolutely the right call at the time.
It was probably line ball but he wasn't that good that I was unhappy to see him go.

The issue was what we thought we could replace him with that season.

Dan is an almost player who looks like he should be a lot better than he is but he's still worth a place in most teams when he's fit. It'd be nice if he did well at the Pies because he did a lot of hard yards with us and copped plenty of criticism so with the bad luck he's had the last 2 years he deserves a good season in 2025.
 
If McStay had not left would we have felt the need to draft Logan Morris, if we did still draft him would he of got a look in this season if we had McStay?

Too many sliding door moments to definitively know even in hindsight if McStay leaving was a positive or negative long term.
Yeah ,hard to know but I wasn't one for getting in any bidding war over him.

He's 30 next year . Time passes quickly doesn't it.
 
It was probably line ball but he wasn't that good that I was unhappy to see him go.

The issue was what we thought we could replace him with that season.

Dan is an almost player who looks like he should be a lot better than he is but he's still worth a place in most teams when he's fit. It'd be nice if he did well at the Pies because he did a lot of hard yards with us and copped plenty of criticism so with the bad luck he's had the last 2 years he deserves a good season in 2025.
Absolutely. Dan seems to be a great guy, and i’d be really happy for him if he can get 250 games out of his career, kicking about 25 goals/season at a mid-table team. 😉
 
Just looking through the likely trade deals there isn't any team in contention that looks like they could've improved their list to any discernable degree in 2025 compared to us.

I suppose we need to wait and see what happens with Smith and Oliver at Geelong but they could potentially be backfires. It's conjectural whether Houston is really going to improve anyone. The Richmond guys look like heading to WC if anywhere.
Does anyone really want Stringer ? And Hawthorn doing their best to screw things up.

Not a lot happening really.
 
Just looking through the likely trade deals there isn't any team in contention that looks like they could've improved their list to any discernable degree in 2025 compared to us.

I suppose we need to wait and see what happens with Smith and Oliver at Geelong but they could potentially be backfires. It's conjectural whether Houston is really going to improve anyone. The Richmond guys look like heading to WC if anywhere.
Does anyone really want Stringer ? And Hawthorn doing their best to screw things up.

Not a lot happening really.
Shai Bolton will improve the Dockers IMO, if they get Liam Baker(very good footballer, underrated by a few IMO) as well look out.
 
I do wonder if Fages had the blinkers on with Gunston somewhat. He did start okay but didn’t seem to have his heart in it more than anything else.
I don't think the club did anything wrong with Gunston. Based on proven goal kicking performance he was an upgrade on McStay, and I recall he was looking for a fresh start (or perhaps just a change of scenery) after a rough year personally in 2022. it didn't work out and clearly ultimately Gunston wasn't the player to thrive in a new environment - but nothing wrong with trying something different.
Giving Brandon Ryan 3-years in the reverse trade at the end of last season seems like the poor decision at this point, but there's still time and opportunity for that one to turn good. I remember Stef Martin was very close to a bust partway through his second season at Brisbane, and then something clicked.

Let's not forget, Brandon Ryan is Elite for Goal accuracy. ;)
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Just looking through the likely trade deals there isn't any team in contention that looks like they could've improved their list to any discernable degree in 2025 compared to us.

I suppose we need to wait and see what happens with Smith and Oliver at Geelong but they could potentially be backfires. It's conjectural whether Houston is really going to improve anyone. The Richmond guys look like heading to WC if anywhere.
Does anyone really want Stringer ? And Hawthorn doing their best to screw things up.

Not a lot happening really.
Adelaide have improved their bottom end
 
I don't think the club did anything wrong with Gunston. Based on proven goal kicking performance he was an upgrade on McStay, and I recall he was looking for a fresh start (or perhaps just a change of scenery) after a rough year personally in 2022. it didn't work out and clearly ultimately Gunston wasn't the player to thrive in a new environment - but nothing wrong with trying something different.
Giving Brandon Ryan 3-years in the reverse trade at the end of last season seems like the poor decision at this point, but there's still time and opportunity for that one to turn good. I remember Stef Martin was very close to a bust partway through his second season at Brisbane, and then something clicked.

Let's not forget, Brandon Ryan is Elite for Goal accuracy. ;)
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50% of his possessions turn into goals and he’s never missed. Give us Gunners and our second rounder back Hawthorn or GAGF. We know what we’ve got.
 
Barrass in allowing Sicily to go forward would improve the Hawks.

Sicily is a great in game fwd move but I feel like as a permanent forward teams would just realise all you need to do is body him as the ball is being kicked in
 
I think that’s too simplistic and you don’t know the flow on effect of keeping McStay. Could we have afforded Dunkley? Could we have afforded Dunkley and had enough for Hugh? Could we have afforded Doedee or to (hopefully re-sign) some guys next season if we had kept him? How would it have impacted our structure? Would we have won the flag this year?

Letting McStay go was absolutely the right call at the time.
You also don’t know the flow on effect of keeping him either.

Of course I’m not unhappy about how things have turned out and now we’ve won a flag, you don’t change anything, but as I said at the time, simply allowing a KPF to walk when everyone knows how long they take to develop or how difficult they are to acquire was concerning when we must have known that the predicament were now in wasn’t unforeseen.
 
You also don’t know the flow on effect of keeping him either.

Of course I’m not unhappy about how things have turned out and now we’ve won a flag, you don’t change anything, but as I said at the time, simply allowing a KPF to walk when everyone knows how long they take to develop or how difficult they are to acquire was concerning when we must have known that the predicament were now in wasn’t unforeseen.

lol but we know what happened when we had him and what happened after he went to Collingwood, being we went from losing prelims and being uncompetitive in terms of that last step to a flag and making two grand finals and winning one. I don’t get your argument.

(Which isn’t to say any of that is on Dan, but it’s what happened)
 

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