List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[dlanod]

Would have loved to have kept Prior instead of Craven....but probably was not an option.

Pretty sure Prior will pop up at Essendon going off the smoke. Whereas Craven probably doesn't have interest at this stage. So yeah, not an option.

 

[dlanod]

Brisbane Lions List Changes For 2025



Oddly nothing about Beecken...

Can only assume he's contracted?

So 6 list spots available?

Nothing has been announced or hinted at that he is. Even in articles describing our list over the past month, he's been painted as OOC.

It's also weird because it was reported on Inside Trading that Joyce had already got a one year contract extension at the club. Unless it's just a mistake in the article referencing Joyce instead of Beecken? That'd make the most sense.

Reading between the lines, I'd interpret that as Beecken has been extended on the rookie list for next year. We would be more worried about him getting snaffled up compared to Joyce or Craven.

 

[twhowler]

Someone with more brains / time than me

So we now have the required list spots for our picks?

Meaning we go to the draft with what we have, get levi and marshall, redraft craven and joyce, plus how many left after that?

 

[captainrich]

Pretty sure Prior will pop up at Essendon going off the smoke. Whereas Craven probably doesn't have interest at this stage. So yeah, not an option.

so assuming Craven was contracted for next year and that's basically why we decided to keep him? We could have commited to rerookie Prior but he maybe didn't want that.

 

[RoyBoy17]

TDK is one I think we will be in for.

Carlton trimming the fat off their list to make sure they have enough dough to hold onto him. Carrol, Martin, Owies, Kennedy etc.

If not him I can see Mitch Lewis at the lions.

 

[blueiris]

Someone with more brains / time than me

So we now have the required list spots for our picks?

Meaning we go to the draft with what we have, get levi and marshall, redraft craven and joyce, plus how many left after that?

We. Would have 2 list spots available with either Gillett or Gallop and Day

 

[dlanod]

so assuming Craven was contracted for next year and that's basically why we decided to keep him? We could have commited to rerookie Prior but he maybe didn't want that.

Craven wouldn't be contracted. I think we're just rolling the dice with a low value high potential former MSD pick.

Same; pretty annoyed that Jaxon has been let go and the likes of Craven and potentially Beeken are being kept on and even Joyce to a lesser extent although Jaxon obviously couldn’t go on a Cat B Rookie list. Would be shocked if Craven made it.


That being said, I suspect had Dev been traded then Jaxon would’ve be retained.

Would be even more shocked if Jaxon doesn’t find a new home and become a regular at another club like Mitch Hinge.

Jaxon will pop up somewhere - I'm sure he got better offers than we would have been giving him to re-sign. We can't put a gun against his head and get him to extend. There'll be a reason there's been smoke about him moving clubs all off-season.

 

[Perrip]

Someone with more brains / time than me

So we now have the required list spots for our picks?

Meaning we go to the draft with what we have, get levi and marshall, redraft craven and joyce, plus how many left after that?

At the moment we have 1 more draft pick than list spot.

List spots: 6 - Primary List (32): 4 Cat A Rookie List (4): 2 [Assuming Beecken is not OOC]

Draft Picks [7]: 27, 34, 42, 43, 49, 60, 66

Draft ins: Levi, Marshall, 3rd draftee

DFA ins: Joe replacement [for example Sam Day] - This would get our primary list up to the minimum 36 list spots required.

Rookie Draft ins: Craven + Joyce - This would get our Rookie List up to 8 [6 Cat A Rookies + 2 Cat B Rookies] and bring our list up to the maximum 44 players.

 

[dlanod]

Can only assume he's contracted?

So 6 list spots available?

Six draft picks, four list spots (given the commitment to re-draft Joyce and Craven) all on the senior list.

 

[twhowler]

At the moment we have 1 more draft pick than list spot.

List spots: 6 - Primary List (32): 4 Cat A Rookie List (4): 2 [Assuming Beecken is not OOC]

Draft Picks [7]: 27, 34, 42, 43, 49, 60, 66

Draft ins: Levi, Marshall, 3rd draftee

DFA ins: Joe replacement [for example Sam Day] - This would get our primary list up to the minimum 36 list spots required.

Rookie Draft ins: Craven + Joyce - This would get our Rookie List up to 8 [6 Cat A Rookies + 2 Cat B Rookies] and bring our list up to the maximum 44 players.

Thanks all, so at this stage we lose pick 66 / 80 points?

 

[captainrich]

Same; pretty annoyed that Jaxon has been let go and the likes of Craven and potentially Beeken are being kept on and even Joyce to a lesser extent although Jaxon obviously couldn’t go on a Cat B Rookie list. Would be shocked if Craven made it.


That being said, I suspect had Dev been traded then Jaxon would’ve be retained.

Would be even more shocked if Jaxon doesn’t find a new home and become a regular at another club like Mitch Hinge.

I remember when Hinge left not like we had crazy depth at the time Adelaide pulled a fast one on us taking him like that instead of trading for him. Guess Essendon has done the same to us with Prior now.....oh well have a premiership they don't.

 

[captainrich]

At the moment we have 1 more draft pick than list spot.

List spots: 6 - Primary List (32): 4 Cat A Rookie List (4): 2 [Assuming Beecken is not OOC]

Draft Picks [7]: 27, 34, 42, 43, 49, 60, 66

Draft ins: Levi, Marshall, 3rd draftee

DFA ins: Joe replacement [for example Sam Day] - This would get our primary list up to the minimum 36 list spots required.

Rookie Draft ins: Craven + Joyce - This would get our Rookie List up to 8 [6 Cat A Rookies + 2 Cat B Rookies] and bring our list up to the maximum 44 players.

nice im looking forward to this 3rd draftee as the one surprise of our next month period.

 

[Dalions]

Hopefully we can assist Prior finding a new club if there is interest there for him.

Would assume he’s already a Bomber.
Just not officially.

 

[T Rick]

Joyce is contracted
It's saying On the AFL website that we are redrafting Joyce in November

If he is already contracted, how does that work?

 

[blueiris]

If he is already contracted, how does that work?

We re-draft him in the Rookie Draft if someone else takes him before Us we’re free to choose someone else

 

[Dalions]

If he is already contracted, how does that work?

We had offered him another year but he hadn’t signed anything.

 

[dlanod]

We had offered him another year but he hadn’t signed anything.

I don't think that's right. There's plenty of media reports stating he'd signed.

Kilkenny's Darragh Joyce set to stay on with AFL champions Brisbane Lions

Joyce captained Kilkenny to win the 2014 All-Ireland minor hurling final against Limerick before embarking on a career in Australian rules football.

www.irishmirror.ie

Kilkenny’s Darragh Joyce signs new contract with AFL champions Brisbane

The former Kilkenny minor All-Ireland winning captain was an emergency sub for the Grand Final as Brisbane hammered the Sydney Swans by 60 points at the Melbourne Cricket Ground last weekend

www.irishexaminer.com

You can delist players who have a contract. If you re-select them, there's no real change - they just go on to whatever list is appropriate based on the draft you take them in. If someone else selects them, they take on their contract. If you don't reselect them, you're still on the hook for their contract but you get a list spot. In this case, it should be option 1 - I don't see anyone else trying to steal him.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

You can delist players who have a contract. If you re-select them, there's no real change - they just go on to whatever list is appropriate based on the draft you take them in. If someone else selects them, they take on their contract. If you don't reselect them, you're still on the hook for their contract but you get a list spot. In this case, it should be option 1 - I don't see anyone else trying to steal him

As I just learned elsewhere you also get some potential matching points from the ND selections you get but won't use

 

[JasRulz63]

As I just learned elsewhere you also get some potential matching points from the ND selections you get but won't use

Maximum main list size is 38, with a minimum of 36. Provided you have the rookie slots free, you take in as many ND picks (and therefore points) as you have free spots up to 38, even if you don't end up filling all those main list spots.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Maximum main list size is 38, with a minimum of 36. Provided you have the rookie slots free, you take in as many ND picks (and therefore points) as you have free spots up to 38, even if you don't end up filling all those main list spots.

Yep

 

[Dalions]

I don't think that's right. There's plenty of media reports stating he'd signed.

Kilkenny's Darragh Joyce set to stay on with AFL champions Brisbane Lions

Joyce captained Kilkenny to win the 2014 All-Ireland minor hurling final against Limerick before embarking on a career in Australian rules football.

www.irishmirror.ie

Kilkenny’s Darragh Joyce signs new contract with AFL champions Brisbane

The former Kilkenny minor All-Ireland winning captain was an emergency sub for the Grand Final as Brisbane hammered the Sydney Swans by 60 points at the Melbourne Cricket Ground last weekend

www.irishexaminer.com

You can delist players who have a contract. If you re-select them, there's no real change - they just go on to whatever list is appropriate based on the draft you take them in. If someone else selects them, they take on their contract. If you don't reselect them, you're still on the hook for their contract but you get a list spot. In this case, it should be option 1 - I don't see anyone else trying to steal him.

Sorry I thought we were talking about Prior

 

[twhowler]

I am fairly sure Gillett was the player a couple of lions officials told me had ‘no aggression’ so won’t be him

Has Gallop come on late?

 

[Mr Ripper]

Gallop, for mine, had the most impressive VFL/NEAFL debut of any academy lad since the academy’s inception; and doing it in a Prelim Final made it even more meritorious.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Looks like the poll in this thread was pretty accurate. Dizzys ACL probably helping Joyce out

 

[ZoBlitz]

Gallop, for mine, had the most impressive VFL/NEAFL debut of any academy lad since the academy’s inception; and doing it in a Prelim Final made it even more meritorious.

A regular Dalziell.