List Mgmt. 2024 List Management discussion

[Perrip]

He has not put pen to paper yet, so a bit concerning he could exercise free agency. I will be very concerned if he hasn’t signed before R1.

The Lions will be trying very hard to retain him.

Him not re-signing yet isn't surprising.

In terms of the crop of players who are, or were, OOC next year it's: Chief, Rayner, Starc, Ah Chee/Cobra

 

[blueiris]

We are not trading him.

The concern is that he is a free agent next year (as was Rayner).

He has not put pen to paper yet, so a bit concerning he could exercise free agency. I will be very concerned if he hasn’t signed before R1.

The Lions will be trying very hard to retain him.

WHY is that concerning give him time there's no reason to rush him you must have almost had a panic attack on Clug and Berry whom didn't sign until mid-season

 

[Dalions]

Him not re-signing yet isn't surprising.

In terms of the crop of players who are, or were, OOC next year it's: Chief, Rayner, Starc, Ah Chee/Cobra

AhChee has probably earnt himself an extra coupla hundred K if his Finals form continues.

 

[Tom14]

Why are we trading Starz ? He's clearly our best shutdown medium defender

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

I disagree. At that point West Coast can match and keep Allen, which is how RFA works. Unless he threatens to sit out indefinitely or do a weekly sh*t on the coach's desk or something. But Allen doesn't seem like that sort of player.

My understanding of Restricted Free Agency is even if a club matches the contract, the player doesn’t have to sign the contract with the original club.

Matching simply removes the Free Agency mechanism, they can still seek a trade or head to the draft as an uncontracted player.

 

[Tom14]

My understanding of Restricted Free Agency is even if a club matches the contract, the player doesn’t have to sign the contract with the original club.

Matching simply removes the Free Agency mechanism, they can still seek a trade or head to the draft as an uncontracted player.

Correct.

Allen is almost certainly going to re-sign at West Coast. But if he doesn’t he’s much more obtainable compared to players we’d have to give up trade assets for.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

My understanding of Restricted Free Agency is even if a club matches the contract, the player doesn’t have to sign the contract with the original club.

Matching simply removes the Free Agency mechanism, they can still seek a trade or head to the draft as an uncontracted player.

And I'm saying Allen won't head to the draft, he won't do West Coast dirty as their captain.

 

[McIvor]

Why are we trading Starz ? He's clearly our best shutdown medium defender

Sounds like he’s served his purpose to some.

 

[Pns_blister]

And I'm saying Allen won't head to the draft, he won't do West Coast dirty as their captain.

Yeah, but should he request a trade, West Coast aren’t stupid enough to turn down a top five pick for a player who wants to leave, compared to what Brisbane would have in trade capital if they finish up the top again.

IF Allen requested a trade to Brisbane, it would happen via FA.

 

[lioninthesand]

Sounds like he’s served his purpose to some.

I don’t think this is what’s going on. A few trade speculation pages floated he was keen to get back to WA once a FA.

The fact he hasn’t signed yet, perpetuates that possibility.

We are talking about a player from WA - so Starc is being discussed as a hypothetical trade scenario IF he were to want to leave.

No one wants to lose Starc.

 

[dlanod]

And I'm saying Allen won't head to the draft, he won't do West Coast dirty as their captain.

If that's his logic with his captaincy then he should re-sign. Walking out as captain is doing them a lot more dirty than heading into the draft thereafter.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

And I'm saying Allen won't head to the draft, he won't do West Coast dirty as their captain.

I do think the conversation is mute, as I expect him to re-sign with the eagles at some point. However he can use free agency as leverage to get the best contract possible, most likely West Coast will be offering it anyways. If West Coast are prepared to match it and he’s happy to stay, it won’t get to the Free Agency period, it will be announced as a normal re-signing.

If it does come to a Free Agency request, he is out the door, West Coast matching ain’t going to change that fact. He would avoid this type of circus by just leveraging and signing earlier. I cant think of any cases where an uncontracted player has requested a trade, only to end up staying at the club.

 

[M Malice]

Sam Darcy is going full on Joe Mode and wants to get out of the bubble, Joe organising a plot of land for him at Ocean Shores.

 

[Nuggo]

Perhaps Allen wont be captain of the Eagles in 2025 - that will be a watch.

 

[Elixuh]

We just need Bevvo to go full Bevvo in 2025 and Sam will be ours.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If that's his logic with his captaincy then he should re-sign. Walking out as captain is doing them a lot more dirty than heading into the draft thereafter.

I do think the conversation is mute, as I expect him to re-sign with the eagles at some point. However he can use free agency as leverage to get the best contract possible, most likely West Coast will be offering it anyways. If West Coast are prepared to match it and he’s happy to stay, it won’t get to the Free Agency period, it will be announced as a normal re-signing.

If it does come to a Free Agency request, he is out the door, West Coast matching ain’t going to change that fact. He would avoid this type of circus by just leveraging and signing earlier. I cant think of any cases where an uncontracted player has requested a trade, only to end up staying at the club.

There's such a thing as testing the market in free agency to discover what one is worth before recommitting.

 

[Squizz89]

My concern with Starce as I’ve said previously is the fact he only signed the one year extension last year (I mean who does that?).

Maybe he just wanted to see if he could bump his price up before his FA year, but I also distinctly remember his name popping up in rumours (yes that’s all they are) earlier in the year when the American trip popped up as well, so who knows maybe some relationships have been strained there too.

He’s also won his flag now so you couldn’t begrudge him taking what is likely a higher pay back home.

I think at this point without any inside knowledge whatsoever, that I’d be surprised, but extremely happy to see him stay.

 

[Tom14]

I don’t think this is what’s going on. A few trade speculation pages floated he was keen to get back to WA once a FA.

The fact he hasn’t signed yet, perpetuates that possibility.

We are talking about a player from WA - so Starc is being discussed as a hypothetical trade scenario IF he were to want to leave.

No one wants to lose Starc.

Think it all came from just one page yeah? TheTradePreacher or some shit - same guy was saying this nonsense earlier in the year:



Reckon the hit rate of these pages might at best be 25%, and most of that is pure lucky guessing rather than having any genuine insight.

 

[Bucking Beads]

My concern with Starce as I’ve said previously is the fact he only signed the one year extension last year (I mean who does that?).

Maybe he just wanted to see if he could bump his price up before his FA year, but I also distinctly remember his name popping up in rumours (yes that’s all they are) earlier in the year when the American trip popped up as well, so who knows maybe some relationships have been strained there too.

He’s also won his flag now so you couldn’t begrudge him taking what is likely a higher pay back home.

I think at this point without any inside knowledge whatsoever, that I’d be surprised, but extremely happy to see him stay.

No point being concerned. If he opts to go home then so be it. He has been a loyal servant at our club and helped us win a flag. Shame to see him go if that is the case but we will be ok.

 

[M Malice]

As good as Brandon Starcevich

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Brandon Starcevich

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

is he is like all players replaceable, eg. Ablett Jnr, Franklin.... the problem arises if you start losing multiple A-B grade players in a bunch over 2-3 seasons.

We will be fine.

 

[Chucky_23]

I do think the conversation is mute, as I expect him to re-sign with the eagles at some point. However he can use free agency as leverage to get the best contract possible, most likely West Coast will be offering it anyways. If West Coast are prepared to match it and he’s happy to stay, it won’t get to the Free Agency period, it will be announced as a normal re-signing.

If it does come to a Free Agency request, he is out the door, West Coast matching ain’t going to change that fact. He would avoid this type of circus by just leveraging and signing earlier. I cant think of any cases where an uncontracted player has requested a trade, only to end up staying at the club.

A mute conversation is not much of a conversation

 

[Maverick]

WHY is that concerning give him time there's no reason to rush him you must have almost had a panic attack on Clug and Berry whom didn't sign until mid-season

it was a difficult time. there was a period when I wasn't sure if I was going to make it.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

A mute conversation is not much of a conversation

Auslan though

 

[Tom14]

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DARCY DOMINO SET TO FALL​

Emerging star Sam Darcy shapes as being the likely first contract domino to fall for the Western Bulldogs as the club works on locking away three of its most important players beyond 2025.

The Herald Sun understands there have already been some early positive discussions surrounding a new deal for 21-year-old Darcy which could be finalised by Christmas.

His current deal runs out at the end of next year, and the forward-ruck could potentially become one of the competition’s best players during the course of his next contract.

He made it clear to this masthead he intends to recommit his future to the club where he is a third generation player, following on from his father Luke and his grandfather David.

“I leave that all to my manager, but I am really passionate about the club,” Darcy said.

“I can’t see there will be any problems with it (a new contract). I’m in no rush; we will see how it unfolds. But this club means so much to me. I’ve got a rich family history here.

“I grew up supporting this club and I’m very grateful to be living out my dreams playing here.”

 

[McLuggages]

I am sceptical of any "official links" to targets. Since Noble joined in to Daly/Ambrogio era our team is a vault. Very little gets out from our trading of drafting until it's done. I've met the team on numerous occasions and they give very very very little away.

Any links to us would come from the camp of the player joining us, or his family/friends, or the other club.