List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[teagueyubeauty]

"something should have been done in the off season but it wasn't"

I'll leave that quote with you. Because if I'm looking from the outside and saw that we didn't change tact in that department, I'd be laughing.

I’ll tell you what happened, a miracle befell the perennially injured in the second half of last season which put doubt in the minds of the decision makers and we didn’t move on those players or the HPT.

I wish the club powerbrokers were as quick on the button with the HPT and LMT as they have historically been on the coach, they must think a coach is much easier to replace because list management last rebuild and high performance this one have been the majority of the problems.


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[Soapy V]

I look at our List like this. This is the "Core" of a very good side:

B: Docherty .......... McGovern
HB: Cowan Weiteirng Saad
C: Acres Cripps ........
HF: Elijah McKay .........
F: Silvagni Curnow ........
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Newman Kennedy

The question is how many players can step up and fill those holes and deliver more than just being role players?
Are names like Newman Williams Saad Hewett going to get any better?
How Moir O'Keefe Lemmey Wilson Lord Binns come on will influence a lot of what we do?
Can Ollie J.Carroll Motlop Boyd Cincotta Kemp C.Durdin go to the next level?

We also need to add depth and options to all spots along with good standards in leg speed and ball use

IMO we at a real cross roads that could deliever us a flag or 10 years of more average football. Names like Marchbank Cuningham Martin S.Durdin Akuei Young Fantasia need to go. They have had enough chances and will not improve us

 

[Dramoth]

If lukosius goes to Adelaide is there anyone in defence at the crows we could poach across. Michelanny butts or Keane.

James Borlase as a defender. If we are getting rid of Martin come the end of the year. I would be looking at Lachie "squiggles" Gollant as his replacement. Kicks bags for fun in the SANFL. A 191cm medium forward/outside mid. Kicked 8 against Wests on the weekend apparently.

SANFL Showreel, R17: Lachlan Gollant highlights

Enjoy Lachlan Gollant's standout SANFL performance for Adelaide

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[AvantGardener]

Saad should be the loose man in defense like Docherty was. Doesn't need to impact as 3rd man, if defenders do their job!!!

Therein lies a problem!

 

[Sector 7G]

An example of someone who learnt how to do things differently to deal with constant hamstring injuries. Ryan Giggs. At one stage, he'd do a hamstring at the thought of going for a run. Changed his running style slightly made some other changes to his diet and preperation, and it was sorted in the end. We have had a sports scientist running out training who hasn't been looking at changing things up for Cerra because 5 hamstrings in 2 years is a joke.

Saad and Cerra should be off to Germany to see the expert and get the calf blood injections. Seemed to get Darcy Moore right after it looked like he would never get back on the park.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Some of the melts in here are hilarious. The club played in a prelim last year and was sitting 2nd on the ladder until injuries and bad form hit.

To suggest we're still a laughing stock or the equivalent of the 7000+ day Bombers is looneyville type stuff. We'll be back next year and be taking it up to teams pushing deep for finals again. If we can sort out our high performance stuff and shuffle a few of the traffic cones on our list we'll be as good a shot as anyone.

Thats the exception to the rule. We're a losing team. Have been for more than a decade. This is the Carlton "normal"

 

[Sector 7G]

James Borlase as a defender. If we are getting rid of Martin come the end of the year. I would be looking at Lachie "squiggles" Gollant as his replacement. Kicks bags for fun in the SANFL. A 191cm medium forward/outside mid. Kicked 8 against Wests on the weekend apparently.

SANFL Showreel, R17: Lachlan Gollant highlights

Enjoy Lachlan Gollant's standout SANFL performance for Adelaide

www.afl.com.au

Desperately need a Jack Martin/Hayward/Hoskin Elliot/1AW type in the side. I would try Acres in this roleat half forward this week with Walsh/Binns on the wing

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Coaches from other teams have worked us out. Outside run & gut running in waves getting the ball quickly to their fowards is the plan to beat us. We are slow with our transition and our defence is our nemesis. We need more outside run. Wilson is coming along nicely but will take time. What about inquiring about Houston? Despite every Blues supporter knowing our defence deficiencies, I can't understand why our LM never identified this at last year's draft or free agency period. We are crying out for a decent 198—200cm KPD to assist Weitering.. News that Hawthorn are into both Barass AND Battle baffles me why we haven't made approaches to these two players. We need a competent kpd now,. If we take a kpd through the draft it's going to take several years before he shows anything. Thank you for putting up will my LM frustrations.

Battle is bog average and not KPD frankly.

Barrass or J. McGovern - yes please.

As for:

Coaches from other teams have worked us out. Outside run & gut running in waves getting the ball quickly to their fowards is the plan to beat us.

If you use the ball as poorly as we have done of late i.e. cough it up so cheaply - any team would get hammered....

Use the ball smartly, quickly and decisively (as the Hawks, for example, do) you not only retain possession but you give yourself a look at a lot of scoring shots...

We are the antithesis of that presently - slow, laboured, indecisive ball movement.

The first cough up was about 20 seconds into Q1 - horrible infield kick, our guy slips over, they gather and run away with it - uncontested - that goal was entirely on us.

 

[El Topo]

All fair points ET but we are still very poor at building and rebuilding a list.
I'm hoping that the acquisition of Cook will turn that around completely because Geelong have been the best at it for a prolonged period.
As for compo picks, etc that doesn't really apply to Freo, and they are progressing again atm.
I wouldn't say they're ahead of us in current progress but they have come from disastrous levels, contended, then come again.

Back to the original point, clubs like Hawthorn are prepared to move on champion players, then they are back in contention again very quickly.
Lewis, Hodge, Mitchell, etc.

You're right in that we don't need to slash and burn but we do need to look at the age demographic and think who will be available for an extended premiership window.

Can't argue re. Hawthorn, they're the premier club of the AFL era for a reason - if only we were as bold with our vets during the 'rebuild' years.

Freo are ahead of us IMO, and if they reach the pinnacle they'll be the first to do it without a recruiting gift from the AFL. While we were tying ourselves up with attempted shortcuts like the Stocker trade they were quietly loading up with the likes of Young and Serong . Imagine if they had access to the freebies that we're about to get...

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Desperately need a Jack Martin/Hayward/Hoskin Elliot/1AW type in the side. I would try Acres in this roleat half forward this week with Walsh/Binns on the wing

Brad Fisher even!

Is McMahon in the 2nds that player?

 

[Dramoth]

You obviously never saw Cain Ackland

Or Cloke.

 

[Stamos]

Young Fantasia need to go. They have had enough chances and will not improve us

As disappointing as Young has been for the last 2 years, I really think we need to keep him.
Aside from having 2 more years of a contract, after Marchbank and Durdin go, he will be our only tall defender depth. It's not going to be that easy to find 2-3 decent tall defenders as it is. If Young goes we'll need to find another one. And he can provide cover in the ruck.

As for Fantasia, maybe, but we'd have to eat the contract (small as it is), and already have Martin, Cunners, likely Owies gone, again would really eat into our half forward depth. I doubt we need the list spot that badly that we need to cut a contracted player.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I don't want him either. Soft and lazy in my eyes

Excellent by foot. I mean our list doesn't need any of these players, right? It's not like we've been crying out for players with excellent foot skills for a decade. However, I'm assuming he's going to an Adelaide club so it's a moot point I suppose.

 

[jj1978]

Whoever convinced Charlie to get jabbed every week needs to be sacked, walked to his desk and then escorted off the premises.

Is "retired" good enough (just shooting the breeze).

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

A psycho hypothetical, but would a straight swap of one of our KPF for Petracca solve a few of our issues?

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[Stamos]

A psycho hypothetical, but would a straight swap of one of our KPF for Petracca solve a few of our issues?

No.
Unless that KPF was Lemmy.

 

[Blueyourmyboy!!]

Apparently a few other Demons feel the same as Petracca.
No harm in shaking the tree, see what falls out.
A Fritch, a Salem, a Lever…..

Fritch would be good. Charlie and Fritch fwd and Harry could be go back as a 200cm interceper. Weiters lock down and Kemp 3rd tall defender.
Put McGovern up for trade.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Although it's a 6 game stretch, it's really 2-3 different blocks of games, with varying reasons for the performances.

The worst of it was the Giants and Dogs games.
We absolutely stuffed up the planning, and selection of the teams. I think the MC, and then the players, got very ahead of themselves.
They should have known that these 2 games were absolutely vital to set up the rest of the season, and we should have won at least one of them, but really both.
These 2 weeks are what ruined our season.

Then we came into North banged up, had a really tough game, and won.
5 day break into Port (now 2nd on the ladder), very banged up and missing TDK, Acres and H. One of those 3 play we win. Well up at half time, we switch off a bit and can't maintain it.

Still banged up against the Pies. Dominate the first quarter and score 1.8
Lose Cerra and Cottrell.
Butcher multiple chances through the rest of the game, miss the chance to win after the siren.
Teetering against the Hawks, 3 injuries in the first quarter.


It has been an incredibly disappointing 6 weeks, to blow a season that is wide open and that we should be contending in. Player fitness and availability has played a major part.
But the one thing that has really linked the last 6 weeks is that the team has not seemed to be mentally switched on. Not sure if that is due to fatigue or what?

North went out of their way to bang us up that week....

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Good post, except I think Walsh has to be in the centre square, not wing, and Kennedy should be on your secondary list.

Depends on Ollie's development right and how much crash and bash we actually want Walsh to be doing... Wouldn't mind his career lasting another 8 years+ with quality. Just concerned his best traits and what he's better than at anyone else in the league aren't being utilised often enough either.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

No we have 4, soon 5 when tdk is up. They've been ground down so much people are forgetting already.

Walsh won best player in the finals last season. Didn't even play the grand final.

Weitering and Cripps are obvious.

TDK is a star on the rise. Not quite but for this discussion he is. As lost management pertains to the future.

Harry should be.

Then you have a suite of very very good players, match winners/ savers on their day who are much better than they are showing for reasons mainly to do with being over worked run down etc in Saad, Newman, Acres, Cerra, Kennedy, Williams,

Then there's a few honest guys every team likes to have like Fogarty, Hewett, Boyd, Cincotta

And then there's the developing 'up and comers' in Kemp, hollands X2, Cowan.

Thats a really good balance and not many teams have that to work with. You'd hopefully add back Docherty and Jack back. Billy pushing through and a proper 2nd defender to play that spot and start deploying gov and kemp properly. So presumably with a real game plan and an off season properly designed you come back with only major questions on small forward, third tall forward and second defender.

Adding another 1million dollar player to that group personally think would just destroy the balance.

Now that I'm ranting I may as well....

A Weitering Newman
Saad B Cowan
Acres Cerra Walsh
Elijah Charlie C
Fogarty Harry Williams

TDK Cripps Kennedy

For this exercise the bench doesn't really matter. The point:

A is that third tall: Jsos, Kemp, Mcgovern are all capable to very good thirds/ interceptors.
B: this is the big hole. Should be the target. Not a petracca. A strong capable no fuss body on body first tall defender to partner with Weits. An Astbury/ Murphy/ Grimes type.
C: This feels gameplan/ form dependant. At the moment we stuff a defensive runner here and say run 16km do nothing and if you do less than nothing get dropped. Ala cotts, fantasia etc. I think structurally it should be whoever is left over from A. Jsos/Kemp/Mcgovern. Or even Martin if he stays. A marking sized forward and decent runner.

Then there's Hewett, Boyd, Cinc, Cotts, Doch, lord, Moir, Motlop, Wilson all either developing/ recovering or ready for those bench spots.

Play the strong guys in the guts. Have 3 roaming talls to intercept quick entries. Walsh running like a madman on one wing and acres the other.

Call them nodes or.anchor points but the extra tall to kick to means you've got those nodes that reduce running required overall and we simultaneously reduce reliance on role players with a better spread and structure. Idk makes sense to me.

Obviously petracca in would be unreal but yeah.

Get a KPD in e.g. Guv's brother and move our Guv back into the forward line....

 

[Sector 7G]

Brad Fisher even!

Is McMahon in the 2nds that player?

No he is the cover for CC HMcK. As much as I liked Fish he was too slow and couldn't kick more than 40m.

 

[Soapy V]

As disappointing as Young has been for the last 2 years, I really think we need to keep him.
Aside from having 2 more years of a contract, after Marchbank and Durdin go, he will be our only tall defender depth. It's not going to be that easy to find 2-3 decent tall defenders as it is. If Young goes we'll need to find another one. And he can provide cover in the ruck.

As for Fantasia, maybe, but we'd have to eat the contract (small as it is), and already have Martin, Cunners, likely Owies gone, again would really eat into our half forward depth. I doubt we need the list spot that badly that we need to cut a contracted player.

I don't want "depth" that is average, injured or won't improve. That's why we are where we are

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Battle is bog average and not KPD frankly.

Barrass or J. McGovern - yes please.

As for:



If you use the ball as poorly as we have done of late i.e. cough it up so cheaply - any team would get hammered....

Use the ball smartly, quickly and decisively (as the Hawks, for example, do) you not only retain possession but you give yourself a look at a lot of scoring shots...

We are the antithesis of that presently - slow, laboured, indecisive ball movement.

The first cough up was about 20 seconds into Q1 - horrible infield kick, our guy slips over, they gather and run away with it - uncontested - that goal was entirely on us.

Just reads as underlying fatigue and soreness levels are way too high.

Our players are not this unskilled - sure not the classiest team but not this bad.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Battle is bog average and not KPD frankly.

Barrass or J. McGovern - yes please.

As for:



If you use the ball as poorly as we have done of late i.e. cough it up so cheaply - any team would get hammered....

Use the ball smartly, quickly and decisively (as the Hawks, for example, do) you not only retain possession but you give yourself a look at a lot of scoring shots...

We are the antithesis of that presently - slow, laboured, indecisive ball movement.

The first cough up was about 20 seconds into Q1 - horrible infield kick, our guy slips over, they gather and run away with it - uncontested - that goal was entirely on us.

I firmly believe our players can kick but that the poor kicking comes from kicking under pressure ...because of our slow ball movement and contested game plan. Walsh is Exhibit A.

If we open the game up and spread better like Hawthorn did we buy ourselves time and are kicking to easier targets.


Look at the 2nd half for Round 0 versus Brisbane. We took the game on, took risks, spread and ran and were hitting targets left right and centre.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Just reads as underlying fatigue and soreness levels are way too high.

Our players are not this unskilled - sure not the classiest team but not this bad.

Is slipping over constantly a sign of fatigue? We did it a lot on Sunday