List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[DangerousD]

They dont want points, we do.

They'll want two firsts, at a bare minimum.

We technically have them (this years, and nexts) but they're not low enough, but could look to upgrade both by trading them down for teams that want extra points.

Pitto has some trade value (rucks always do). Ditto Owies (and we back Motlop to come on next year, or Williams to continue in the role). Martin and Carroll could nab third rounders or thereabouts and the WA sides have shown interest in both.

Cap space is the bigger headache over picks. We have a plan in place for Houston so we can likely afford to spend a bit, but not Petracca levels of money (unless we backend it heavily).

Worst case we lose McKay and we're left with TDK and Curnow up forward, with Silvagni back, along with Williams (who has looked good) and Petracca (who doesnt mind a goal and an assist).

It's still a small forward short but it's not exactly impotent.

Enough with the McKay chat, he’s a long term Carlton player, picked from the draft, on a long term deal and is AA quality player, as you have said, if we want to deal, make it happen another way.

We have pick 11 a F1, we have a second rounder, we could trade Owies, i suspect Carrol will leave, finding draft currency isn’t an issue.

Two first rounders would be a minimum, then offer our two firsts, 11 is a decent pick but probably not high enough, so offer a second round pick.

The Demons will also have other picks coming in to move up the order

 

[Juice030103]

Oh well, guess I’ll have to settle for aleer and Houston and keep the Coleman medalist forward

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

So what would you offer if it us?

Cerra + Owies + Hewett/Kennedy + F1

Melbourne likely don't want Owies or Hewett/Kennedy but the picks for each should be enough to get a deal done imo.

Lets say we traded Owies and Hewett/Kennedy to a WCE or Saints or something for a 2nd rounders each.

Cerra
2025 F1
2x F2

Something like that should clear enough cap space and be enough picks wise to get something done I'd think. Wouldn't offer any more for a 29 year old no matter how good he is with our list in the situation its in ATM with needing some youth replenishing in coming years.

 

[YeoShuey]

Let’s not get too carried away here.

He hasn’t even nominated us or any club. I am guessing some party are just testing the waters to see what value a potential trade could unlock. Since that seems unsuccessful, I predict they will probably try the same thing with another club before nominating when there is something considered very valuable.

 

[DangerousD]

Cerra + Owies + Hewett/Kennedy + F1

Melbourne likely don't want Owies or Hewett/Kennedy but the picks for each should be enough to get a deal done imo.

Lets say we traded Owies and Hewett/Kennedy to a WCE or Saints or something for a 2nd rounders each.

Cerra
2025 F1
2x F2

Something like that should clear enough cap space and be enough picks wise to get something done I'd think. Wouldn't offer any more for a 29 year old no matter how good he is with our list in the situation its in ATM with needing some youth replenishing in coming years.

Cool, I’m assuming Carrol goes as well but i dont think Melb would let us skip our 1st this year at 11 as next years will be worst for them.

I’d want to keep Cerra, trade our two 1st rounders and then see what else is needed.

If we had to lose one of Cerra, Hewett, Kennedy then I’m n it sure which way to go.

Hewett the oldest but he seems to have more influence on games than Kennedy. Kennedy is more versatile but not on much $$$ and Cerra would be on the most is injury prone but has the most upside.

 

[Blue1980]

Absurd? Sorry, are we close to a premiership this season?

I love Harry, I'd be trading one of the others. It's pretty clear you don't need two big key forwards to win a premiership.

Absurd to me is continuing down the path of what we've already done when it hasn't been ultimately successful. Each to their own but Petracca moves the needle for me. He's top 10 in the comp at his best. If he becomes available, I'd make that happen. There's not a midfield that would keep up with us.

We haven't been successful yet not because of Harry and Charlie. Less injury prone players and better fitness program and see how we go.

I can see what happens from a mile away if we traded Harry, Charlie would become more injury prone.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Cool, I’m assuming Carrol goes as well but i dont think Melb would let us skip our 1st this year at 11 as next years will be worst for them.

I’d want to keep Cerra, trade our two 1st rounders and then see what else is needed.

If we had to lose one of Cerra, Hewett, Kennedy then I’m n it sure which way to go.

Hewett the oldest but he seems to have more influence on games than Kennedy. Kennedy is more versatile but not on much $$$ and Cerra would be on the most is injury prone but has the most upside.

Yeah they might demand our first this year given its a strong draft.

A midfield of

Cripps
Walsh
Petracca
Kennedy/Hewett
Lord
Elijah

Is still mightily fking ridiculous even if we lost Cerra and one of Kennedy or Hewett

As I've said previously though, I just cant see it going down. There's too much hysteria and we don't have a tonne of list flexibility as it is.

 

[Jatz]

Yeah they might demand our first this year given its a strong draft.

A midfield of

Cripps
Walsh
Petracca
Kennedy/Hewett
Lord
Elijah

Is still mightily fking ridiculous even if we lost Cerra and one of Kennedy or Hewett

As I've said previously though, I just cant see it going down. There's too much hysteria and we don't have a tonne of list flexibility as it is.

It's not happening with Cerra/Kennedy/Hewett. Our salary cap wouldn't work.

We'd need to offload one of the big contracts and Melbourne are screaming for a forward.

The only way it happens is if its TDK, Curnow or McKay. It's why I think it's only about a 10% chance of happening.

 

[Coops93]

Yep; we'd do the Judd style deal only for it to fail again, and people will still be calling for the same again in the next 20 to 25 years. The draft fails us because we fail it.

Judd deal wasn't a fail

 

[Blue1980]

It is rear vision mirror stuff when SoS has been gone 5 years. SoS was not perfect but I don't think Austin has been much better. Infact before the last 2 weeks with the performance of Lord, binns and Moir, Austin has been disasterous
FWIW SoS: Cotrell, Owies, Pittonet, Newman, Kemp + TDK

I was talking the draft re SOS. You can give him Kemp also his son Jack good value for a pick in the 50s.

 

[Blue1980]

Anyone who thinks going for Petracca isn't worth it or that he's not worth giving up Cerra has absolutely lost their mind.

Giving up Cerra - yes. Giving up Harry or Charlie - hell no.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It's not happening with Cerra/Kennedy/Hewett. Our salary cap wouldn't work.

We'd need to offload one of the big contracts and Melbourne are screaming for a forward.

The only way it happens is if its TDK, Curnow or McKay. It's why I think it's only about a 10% chance of happening.

Cerra Owies and Kennedy/Hewett would be plenty of cap space off the books. The three would be on 400-700k each. Owies obviously the low end of the range there, Cerra at the higher end.

Also if they lose Petracca they really don't need a key forward, they'd need mids and Young kids to refresh their list

 

[Blue1980]

I find it hard to believe we would put it to either player.
That’s how you **** up a club.

The idea of us putting it to Harry or Charlie or any of our players on the eve of a finals series is very far fetched.

 

[Blue1980]

We’d be crazy to trade H.

Elite CHF. Would show a misunderstanding of footy by the club IMO.

Probably Take 20 years to snare & develop another elite CHF. Long after CP’s performance has faded out, after 3-4 years or so - IF he recovers fully from the severe injuries, of course.

Altrrnatively, smart forward strategy and leading patterns can unlock the full potential of CC and H ( and Kemp, Williams, Fog, etc. etc. )

If we win v Brisbane with Charlie and Harry kicking say 6+ between them, then anyone thinking its a good idea to trade either of them will go silent.

Even if both are held goalless and we get flogged, I am not changing my view that trading either of them would be insane.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

OK. But what about Albert Proud?

Too soon mate … the wounds are still healing.

It’s only been 18 years.

 

[Blue1980]

They dont want points, we do.

They'll want two firsts, at a bare minimum.

We technically have them (this years, and nexts) but they're not low enough, but could look to upgrade both by trading them down for teams that want extra points.

Pitto has some trade value (rucks always do). Ditto Owies (and we back Motlop to come on next year, or Williams to continue in the role). Martin and Carroll could nab third rounders or thereabouts and the WA sides have shown interest in both.

Cap space is the bigger headache over picks. We have a plan in place for Houston so we can likely afford to spend a bit, but not Petracca levels of money (unless we backend it heavily).

Worst case we lose McKay and we're left with TDK and Curnow up forward, with Silvagni back, along with Williams (who has looked good) and Petracca (who doesnt mind a goal and an assist).

It's still a small forward short but it's not exactly impotent.

I can't see us giving up Harry or him even wanting to go to Melbourne. If we are giving up any of our top 10 or so players it would be someone like a Cerra.

This is the value of Pitt being contracted too, makes his trade value higher and you always need a backup ruck on your list.

 

[Blue1980]

PS - Owies is consistently our 3rd best forward - clutch goal kicker.

Why the hell would we let him go?

Because he’s not fast enough, doesn’t kick crazy goals like the second coming of Eddie Betts?

He kicks bloody goals people, as a small forward and is good further up the ground.

No way I’d let him go - especially for peanuts.

100% its that he isn't "sexy" enough a player. I would be wanting to keep him for sure, just wouldn't be paying overs to keep him.

Thing is I think its a moot point and he ends up staying, unless we have a real cap squeeze on by landing Petracca.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Owies good further up the ground? He'd be up there with the worst players outside 50 in the comp. Averages 8 touches a game...

When he plays high HF or up to the wing he has shown to be handy I believe.

It looks like they’ve pushed him up the ground a few times - I like how he’s looked.

He mostly plays small forward of course which limits posessions.

He’s worth much more than we’d get, he’s a need - why the hell would we move him on???

 

[FlowersByIrene]

It's not happening with Cerra/Kennedy/Hewett. Our salary cap wouldn't work.

We'd need to offload one of the big contracts and Melbourne are screaming for a forward.

The only way it happens is if its TDK, Curnow or McKay. It's why I think it's only about a 10% chance of happening.

I reckon if they lose Petracca they'd also be screaming for a midfielder too. Viney, Oliver and... they'd want Rivers, Tholstrup etc to step up pretty quick if Petracca went.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

100% its that he isn't "sexy" enough a player. I would be wanting to keep him for sure, just wouldn't be paying overs to keep him.

Thing is I think its a moot point and he ends up staying, unless we have a real cap squeeze on by landing Petracca.

Indeed.

Although as we all know it’ll be more than Mr Owies leaving if Petracca really came knocking.

Could we bundle up Martin, Marchy & Cunners?

 

[Stamos]

PS - Owies is consistently our 3rd best forward - clutch goal kicker.

Clutch?
Really?
Like running into an open goal to seal the win against Adelaide?
Or a 4th quarter set shot against the Filth and doesn't make the distance?
What about bursting inside 50 on Sunday when we really needed a goal and kicking it at 2 Saints?

He has kicked our 3rd most goals this year.
Clutch? Not so much.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Clutch?
Really?
Like running into an open goal to seal the win against Adelaide?
Or a 4th quarter set shot against the Filth and doesn't make the distance?
What about bursting inside 50 on Sunday when we really needed a goal and kicking it at 2 Saints?

He has kicked our 3rd most goals this year.
Clutch? Not so much.

Set shots - not brilliant on the run I agree.

 

[blues4flag]

Clutch?
Really?
Like running into an open goal to seal the win against Adelaide?
Or a 4th quarter set shot against the Filth and doesn't make the distance?
What about bursting inside 50 on Sunday when we really needed a goal and kicking it at 2 Saints?

He has kicked our 3rd most goals this year.
Clutch? Not so much.

I take more exception to the assertion that he is good up the field.

Bloke loses his feet almost every time he's in a one v one chasing a loose ball.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I take more exception to the assertion that he is good up the field.

Bloke loses his feet almost every time he's in a one v one chasing a loose ball.

Would be one of the worst ground ball pick up players that we've ever seen. Good lead up player and a good set shot but he's poor-average in just about everything else

 

[Stamos]

I take more exception to the assertion that he is good up the field.

Bloke loses his feet almost every time he's in a one v one chasing a loose ball.

He's had his best year.
He's a really smart goal kicking small forward.
Someone will give us a 2nd round pick for him.