List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[Blue_Fusion]

It's not spin.

The 10 best and worst kicks inside 50 in the AFL in 2024, according to Champion Data

Champion Data's Daniel Hoyne goes through all of the numbers.

www.sen.com.au

Really, all you need to do is pay attention during games and it's obvious.

I like Kennedy and what he brings, but there's no denying he is a terrible i50 kick.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Not sure where this spin that MK is a bad kick comes from?

Bad kick INSIDE 50... key words...

Set shot, he's one of the most reliable

 

[Accidental genius]

Re Haynes

Age is one issue (32) and his last game with gws wasn't too crash hot by reports on here..

I hope we are looking to bring in a genuine KPD others if we lose Young as well (likely) it might be another repeat of 2024 season

Only going to take an injury to weits or durdin (assuming we keep) or gov or haynes (if we get him) to become deficient in the backline again.

 

[Aphrodite]

Hadn't seen it posted in the rumour thread yet, hence did - now somehow it's list management, though it's not reported by GWS that he is to nominate us, only that he is not playing for them next year?

Some journo's reporting that he will nominate Carlton and it's already being discussed in here and post was moved to LM to keep it all in the same thread.

Makes it much easier to follow discussion that way.

 

[BM123]

Lol we were literally rated #1 for bringing the ball to ground inside our forward 50 before Curnow and McKay got injured.

We were also #1 for scores per inside 50 up until round 20.

A huge "win" considering we kick it 80% of the time to our KPF's after flooding our inside 50. We often had insane efficiency going inside 50 for a quarter or two before it would dry up completely too. I'd love to know what % of contests our small forwards actually won over the season.

 

[sweethoney]

Our forward line had a KPF who barely contested (Curnow) and the worst small forwards in the game. Durdin alone often took up our KPF's space to lead into and often contested them in the air too.

Sam Walsh and Kennedy are average kicks that our structure and coaching made rancid.

With all these flaws we’ve had in the foward line this year. We were still the second highest scoring team.

 

[BM123]

With all these flaws we’ve had in the foward line this year. We were still the second highest scoring team.

I'm not being critical because I think we are no hopers that's for sure. Teams stacked with talent and I think we should be the highest scoring by far if we get good luck with injuries. We can blow away a team in 2 quarters then suddenly drop off a cliff for an entire half. I hope our coaching and list is better at keeping opposition momentum in check in 2025.

 

[bigblueboy]

With all these flaws we’ve had in the foward line this year. We were still the second highest scoring team.

If we had an elite by foot winger, we'd score even more effectively.

 

[sweethoney]

I'm not being critical because I think we are no hopers that's for sure. Teams stacked with talent and I think we should be the highest scoring by far if we get good luck with injuries. We can blow away a team in 2 quarters then suddenly drop off a cliff for an entire half. I hope our coaching and list is better at keeping opposition momentum in check in 2025.

100% when up and running we kick 7-8 in a quarter. But then we go missing the very next quarter

 

[Pablito]

Sort of held off while I had a think about the most recent report. For what it's worth:

Kennedy: Think it's the right decision. He's a limited player we have an excess of. Makes sense to cash in while there is still some value.

Young: Played a great last final, overall though he doesn't offer enough. If we can get something for him and target a replacement (either in the draft or by trade) I think it's the wise move.

Owies: Probably would rather keep based on his output. Especially as I see him as the best small forward of a weak bunch.

We have to remember we have Ben Campo coming in that plays that inside role and Cooper Lord who showed a lot of promise in 2 games playing that role also. Losing both Young and Kennedy probably frees up at least 500k also.

Taking emotion out of it, losing 2 of those 3 would be a wise decision.

 

[BM123]

100% when up and running we kick 7-8 in a quarter. But then we go missing the very next quarter

It's gotten to the point that you can "feel" the team switching off during games at this point. Hopefully we add some types who enjoy pummeling the opposition.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Cerra not a genuine mid?

Was ruined by injury this year but a pretty important cog when fit. Clearly our best performing mid first half of '23 when everyone else somehow forgot how to play footy.

Cerra has been a failed trade. He has not performed to the value of Pick 6 we paid

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Can anyone read the article?

 

[gbatman]

Our plan should be that we have moved on from Kennedy and Hewett by 2026. I'm hoping that Lord becomes one of the types we need, his two games were very impressive to me. I'm also hoping the same for Ben Camporeale. In the meantime we also need to recruit a mature onball player of the right needs.

I'll judge the trades when/if they happen. Unfortunately we are late to the party with our midfield build. Comes down to a lot of things. Our recruiters failure to recruit the right types of mids. All the quicker mids except Walsh recruited under SOS were failures because there was no focus on closing speed and tackling, it seemed to be all about possessions and athleticism.

Also out last two coaches. Teams knew about the coming rule changes. I think many coaches failed to see how it would change the game and some succeeded in identifying the game becoming less congested, more outside and more about pace and run. Neiter Teague or Voss directed our recruiting staff to recruit faster more agile onballers who have good closing speed and good tackling skills as well as good offensive skills. Or so it appears.

So we need to get with it and fix this now.

Haynes' age is fine. If he can give us two or three years great. That gives us time to recruit the next key defender or recruit a youngster and have them developing. Geelong have been the best team in the game and they are a side that does not shun older players. Lessons to learn.

 

[sweethoney]

Can anyone read the article?

Geelong the team named

 

[gbatman]

People who are happy to get rid of Owies and Kennedy need to remember they kicked 49 goals between them this season. That's 49 goals we need to find next season.

Yep, what comes in needs to benefit us compared to what goes out. That is also another reason to trade them. They have value and we should be able to lose them and still improve next season. We need players, we have an excess of certain types. We lack trade/draft currency. I'm hoping we have something really good up our sleeves.

 

[skadoosh]

Can anyone read the article?

https://archive.md/2DOZy

Geelong is exploring a move for delisted Carlton forward Jack Martin as part of plans to help keep the Cats in premiership contention next year.
Martin looks a certain to find a new home next season with the Cats set to join Fremantle in the race for the 29-year-old.

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

https://archive.md/2DOZy

Such a Geelong thing to do! Watch them keep him fit too

 

[bourbons]

Cerra has been a failed trade. He has not performed to the value of Pick 6 we paid

Debatable. This year certainly not for obvious reasons, I'd argue in '23 he was.

I'd be waiting for an injury-free year before calling it a failed trade.

 

[Crippa#9]

Such a Geelong thing to do! Watch them keep him fit too

exactly...he'll play like 19/20 games, kick 50 goals. Nothing surer.

 

[BM123]

Cerra has been a failed trade. He has not performed to the value of Pick 6 we paid

Cerra probably wins our BNF last season if he didn't get injured against Collingwood. 2024 we can write off due to injury and poor management but I don't think he is a bust.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I think many coaches failed to see how it would change the game and some succeeded in identifying the game becoming less congested, more outside and more about pace and run.

This is what I love about Wells as a recruiter and Scott as a coach. They requested Holmes because he had the outside speed and they identified that their team lacked that aspect.

They also recruited and drafted Close, Stengle, Miers.... This helped with the small ball approach to complement their list.

We have attempted over time to address our list needs. Wilson, Philip, Saad are a few examples of players selected for their speed and we've just not nailed a selection currently from the draft.

Still annoyed we skipped Rivers but I thought the Hawks were crazy selecting the Wizard with pick 5, but they seemed to be ahead of the curve with regards to gameplay.

Motlop has not really progressed to become that small forward we required. Moir needs to work on his tank and he looks like a great forward option.

I still think kicking skills can make any player look quicker than their baseline speed. Pendlebury can make the game slow down around him due to his vision and ability.
Kemp has the attacking kicking mindset I love, but just needs to learn the correct combination of attack and defense. We need to learn to switch the play a little more and that is across all phases of the game, from our mids to our backs.

 

[katmanblue]

Whateley reckons Owies is bound for Essendon or Melbourne.

I will genuinely spew if the former arises

Good on him if he can go and get paid.

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[gbatman]

This is what I love about Wells as a recruiter and Scott as a coach. They requested Holmes because he had the outside speed and they identified that their team lacked that aspect.

They also recruited and drafted Close, Stengle, Miers.... This helped with the small ball approach to complement their list.

We have attempted over time to address our list needs. Wilson, Philip, Saad are a few examples of players selected for their speed and we've just not nailed a selection currently from the draft.

Still annoyed we skipped Rivers but I thought the Hawks were crazy selecting the Wizard with pick 5, but they seemed to be ahead of the curve with regards to gameplay.

Motlop has not really progressed to become that small forward we required. Moir needs to work on his tank and he looks like a great forward option.

I still think kicking skills can make any player look quicker than their baseline speed. Pendlebury can make the game slow down around him due to his vision and ability.
Kemp has the attacking kicking mindset I love, but just needs to learn the correct combination of attack and defense. We need to learn to switch the play a little more and that is across all phases of the game, from our mids to our backs.

They are one of the best in the game. We haven't touched the onball group. Our onball group, we never run the ball from stoppage, not since we got rid of Dow. We never run opposition players down, well Walsh does but the rest can't and don't. The best teams in the game close on you or the loose ball so damn quick compares to us it's not funny. Teams just run the ball out of stoppages so much it's embarrasing how we can't run them down.

We have added a bit of pace to the backline and that's it. The onball group and the forward line doesn't have much.

Cat's are the best in the business. Hawthorn, Collingwood and Sydney have dominated this competition for decades. Levels above us on all aspects.

We really have not recruited well. Small forwards and midfielders who have closing speed, agility and pace. These have become some of the most important players in the game and we are missing the mark here.

 

[gbatman]

Geelong are always willing to give older talented players a go. Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't. Higgins and Dahlhaus were on their list and failed in their last premiership season. Didn't stop them winning it. They won't be too worried if Martin fails or not.