List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[s_wd6]

If we're getting 2nd round change and significant salary, I actually think it's palatable if and only if Chad is still on next year. But we'd want to be sure about that.


Have you even known someone that tells you they're going to do the right thing over and over but never does? At some point you cut that person loose but for all you know the next time was the time they made the change. Always that risk.

Well when that person has been available and played good consistent footy to a high level up until mid last year then and then had their whole pre season interrupted by multiple surgeries then you give them another chance.

 

[Taylor]

Bolton for picks only, not salary for a while, is very valuable. Keeps the door open for other players in trade in 2025 too

 

[DragoDelph]

If we're getting 2nd round change and significant salary, I actually think it's palatable if and only if Chad is still on next year. But we'd want to be sure about that.


Have you even known someone that tells you they're going to do the right thing over and over but never does? At some point you cut that person loose but for all you know the next time was the time they made the change. Always that risk.

If we give three firsts, and get three seconds back, deep draft with clubs needing points, does that make it ok?

I’d still like one of those firsts, but maybe it’s not so much of a leap.

Still think that it’s a “we’ll
Do it if we have to” not a fait accompli

 

[guidodp15]

I'm not sure thats how its worked in previous years though, think some have known before they finished up

Maybe some ask for it earlier

edit: Like last year, we delisted Colyer, Wilson and Benning in August

Benning didn't play finals but the other 2 did

the year before we waited until the end for Crowden

 

[Joao]

Well when that person has been available and played good consistent footy to a high level up until mid last year then and then had their whole pre season interrupted by multiple surgeries then you give them another chance.

You can't possibly think he's in anywhere near the physical shape 99% of the AFL is? He's a clear outlier and that is independent of injury otherwise Morabito would have been 200kg.

He's 26, at what point do you concede this is what he is? I'm giving him 1 more max but I think I'd cash out now for Warner if that was on the table.

If we give three firsts, and get three seconds back, deep draft with clubs needing points, does that make it ok?

I’d still like one of those firsts, but maybe it’s not so much of a leap.

Still think that it’s a “we’ll
Do it if we have to” not a fait accompli

If we got 3 seconds I think that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't expect that though. 1 or 2 + $2.5m works for me though.

 

[go_the_dockers]

If we give three firsts, and get three seconds back, deep draft with clubs needing points, does that make it ok?

I’d still like one of those firsts, but maybe it’s not so much of a leap.

Still think that it’s a “we’ll
Do it if we have to” not a fait accompli

9,10,17 for Bolton, 20, Richmond F2, 36.

Wow.

Swap 9 or 10, with an F1 it maybe it gets better. We are really betting on ourself, if we do that.

 

[Taylor]

9,10,17 for Bolton, 20, Richmond F2, 36.

Wow.

Swap 9 or 10, with and F1 it maybe it gets better. We are really betting on ourself, if we do that.

Plus hopefully salary cap space

 

[freo1997]

We are not giving up 3 firsts.

What a load of crapola.

9 & 27 for Bolton with possibly Erasmus thrown in.

10 and 17 for Warner with the possibility of our f2 and or Brodie thrown in.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Plus hopefully salary cap space

If you do the trade, Bolton needs to kick 50 goals a year to make it worth it.

 

[Ge3ks]

 

[s_wd6]

You can't possibly think he's in anywhere near the physical shape 99% of the AFL is? He's a clear outlier and that is independent of injury otherwise Morabito would have been 200kg.

He's 26, at what point do you concede this is what he is? I'm giving him 1 more max but I think I'd cash out now for Warner if that was on the table.



If we got 3 seconds I think that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't expect that though. 1 or 2 + $2.5m works for me though.

I actually don’t care how fat Darcy is when he has the impact he does for us. He’s had one season where multiple injuries keep derailing him and it came after two surgeries. 2023 they made the decision to send him for surgery so he missed a lot. There’s no world where you don’t give him at least an extra year to get his shit together. Same thing happens next year and it’s a genuine discussion, with Knobel et al developing in the background.

 

[freo1997]

Caroline Wilson the one eyed Tiger fan laughed at the idea Bolton is worth 2 first rounders ffs. Even she’s saying he’s too inconsistent to be worth that. I want Bolton but c’mon let’s not go silly.

 

[arsesmart]

If you do the trade, Bolton needs to kick 50 goals a year to make it worth it.

Would winning a premiership do?

 

[go_the_dockers]

Would winning a premiership do?

If Bolton contributes towards the GF in a big way, then yes.
If he is a passenger, then no.

 

[Joao]

Pretty sure there’s a wait and see

I actually don’t care how fat Darcy is when he has the impact he does for us. He’s had one season where multiple injuries keep derailing him and it came after two surgeries. 2023 they made the decision to send him for surgery. There’s no world where you don’t give him at least an extra year to get his shit together. Same thing happens next year and it’s a genuine discussion, with Knobel et al developing in the background.

Nobody (other than Cornes) is questioning his ability.

I don't think I'd have to dig very hard to find studies showing correlation between BMI/weight and injury in athletes. That's my issue and I simply don't believe the penny is going to drop for him.

Like I said, I'd keep him around for 2025 unless there was a chance at Warner this year, who clearly does take his career 100% seriously.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

I don’t know why so much is made of his salary for us to take on or the Tiges to pay part there of.
Bolton and management are pursuing a trade home ..is that right?
Then the contract changes, we pay a renegotiated contract and give up less picks, surely that’s gotta be in play.
Richmond get him off the books for 9 and 17.

Richmond pay half his contract for the next 4 years and we give up 9, 17 and 27.
Freo get our old second back and we go to the draft with 10 and 29.

Cap space and picks.

 

[freo1997]

We trade Darcy we’ll definitely have enough for both Bolton and Warner. But we’d have to get an experience ruckman in too.

 

[arsesmart]

If Bolton contributes towards the GF in a big way, then yes.
If he is a passenger, then no.

GF or GF season?

 

[Joao]

Caroline Wilson the one eyed Tiger fan laughed at the idea Bolton is worth 2 first rounders ffs. Even she’s saying he’s too inconsistent to be worth that. I want Bolton but c’mon let’s not go silly.

I'd like to take this as an indication of getting him for 10+27, but most journalists at terrible at valuing players.

We trade Darcy we’ll definitely have enough for both Bolton and Warner. But we’d have to get an experience ruckman in too.

Soldo wants out already after being overtaken by Sweet.

 

[freo_leo29]

the year before we waited until the end for Crowden

He was a victim of JOM though

Which came up late

 

[go_the_dockers]

GF or GF season?

Either.

 

[freo_leo29]

I wouldn't be shocked at 3 firsts simply because it's Walls

Need someone else doing the trades, say it every year but yeah,

 

[Taylor]

If they will buy our firsts with significant salary allowing us to keep everyone, it's worth giving all the picks.

 

[Taylor]

Playing at 120% cap legally is Carlton level benefits

 

[Paracleet]

Nobody (other than Cornes) is questioning his ability.

I don't think I'd have to dig very hard to find studies showing correlation between BMI/weight and injury in athletes. That's my issue and I simply don't believe the penny is going to drop for him.

Like I said, I'd keep him around for 2025 unless there was a chance at Warner this year, who clearly does take his career 100% seriously.

You're carrying on as if he is a late Nic Nat mudguts. Relative to height and frame he's hardly overweight at all.

Shave off 5 kgs and if he has bad knees, his natural size is still going to munt them.