List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[DragoDelph]

That was a horrible moment. Hard to forgive that from a senior player.

Yeah, agree.

But you'd also expect your forwards to be a kick ahead of contest for things like that.

Bad decision, bad positioning.

 

[arsesmart]

My favourite part of O'Meara's season was when he had a total of 8 touches in the last quarters across the last 4 games of the season.

I actually like that we tried him on a wing and rotated him through half forward and half back. Seemed like a great idea in theory.

I do not like that we kept him in the team after consistent poor performances.

Getting more grunt/options for that narrow side wing role is a major project someone should be taking on as a high priority.

 

[Taylor]

A lot of list management decisions over the last few years make way more sense if you pretend Fyfe didn't play almost all season this year.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Voss is on the rookie list tho. SSP signings don't go on main list i'm pretty sure

I'd be very surprised if freo take more than 3 picks to draft TBH

I really think this is the draft to take 4 or 5 picks in.

Listening to Chris25, and I am sure this is the right call to make.

 

[arsesmart]

Yeah, agree.

But you'd also expect your forwards to be a kick ahead of contest for things like that.

Bad decision, bad positioning.

Having a decent look and gathering your composure before blazing away might've been nice...

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Well his contract is part of the reason why we’ll lose NOD for nothing and improve a contender for free.

He’s not getting any better, where a younger player in the same role would be improving

This feels like when people blamed Banfield for Sturt having not re-signed (though he eventually did). Linking the 2 is jumping at shadows. JOM's contract isn't an obstacle financially, and it's difficult to suggest him being there is truly costing NOD a spot when NOD wasn't good enough at WAFL level until a purple patch that started like July this year (injuries obviously playing a role there). If Raz leaves I think you can plausibly link that to JOM, but NOD would be a stretch.

Reality is it makes perfect sense for us to have waited out on offering NOD a bigger deal. Before this WAFL finals series we're talking what a 5 game WAFL run and 1.25 AFL games? He's gonna play 3-4 games in this finals series lmao, that's almost as long as the run of WAFL games he was good for. Obviously we would wait to see what he does there to assess if this purple patch is a new normal. And now that it's increasingly looking like the latter, there's more justification to offer a better deal.

Not gonna guarantee he stays by any means, but much like people were jumping at shadows with Sturt especially, I think it's strange to overly panic when the very thing you'd expect to happen when a player has a purple patch at the end of a contract year and has 3-4 further high-pressure games to prove it's no fluke happens.

 

[Purple Suit]

A lot of list management decisions over the last few years make way more sense if you pretend Fyfe didn't play almost all season this year.

Except the one where we also offered him a 2 year deal. I do wonder if there were triggers and they just didn't announce them out of respect for a club Legend.

 

[Swiggy]

I really think this is the draft to take 4 or 5 picks in.

Listening to Chris25, and I am sure this is the right call to make.

Ryan Daniels has said all along he thinks freo will only use 1 of its first rounders draft night
any picks after 30 you need to get lucky

last thing freo list needs is 5 new kids.

need star like Bolton & a couple of depth players

Still think 1 or 2 players will pop up for freo in trade week no one has heard yet

 

[Taylor]

Except the one where we also offered him a 2 year deal. I do wonder if there were triggers and they just didn't announce them out of respect for a club Legend.

The AFL gave FFC and WC a heap of extra non cap money to sign veterans for media

 

[DragoDelph]

The AFL gave FFC and WC a heap of extra non cap money to sign veterans for media

Wonder if they can chip in some of that sweet ambassador money for some new recruits

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Have heard freo are in for Riley Garcia

I don't understand the list spots issue. freo will find a way to make more if needed. still, plenty of players without contracts.

Tab's
Hughes
Emmett
Corbert
Knoble
NOD
all on primary list out of contract

Garcia looks like exactly what we need. His VFL stats are insane and his got some terrific speed. We can create 2 extra list spots if we delist Keuk and Stanley as we played with the maximum rookie spots in 2024. I think if we can get a pick back in the Bolton trade around pick 40 we should use that to get Garcia. We obviously need more quick and skillful players. Garcia shapes as a hidden gem who just needs more opportunity to thrive and he can play half back, half forward and onball,.

 

[Docker82]

Ryan Daniels has said all along he thinks freo will only use 1 of its first rounders draft night
any picks after 30 you need to get lucky

last thing freo list needs is 5 new kids.

need star like Bolton & a couple of depth players

Couldn't agree more with this tbh.

Keep all our picks and I'd be happy to take five selections. That way there's only one pick beyond 35.

Taking say three picks beyond pick 35 is basically just reducing our level of depth for no reason. I still expect us to take one or two selections inside 35 - that, a late pick and whatever rookie spots we have available (either rookie draft or SSP - don't really care how it's done) is plenty.

NOD and Emmett are the sort of depth players you don't just replace with a draft pick for next season and expect the same results unless perhaps you're using very high selections or recruiting the very best mature agers in the country.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Ryan Daniels has said all along he thinks freo will only use 1 of its first rounders draft night
any picks after 30 you need to get lucky

last thing freo list needs is 5 new kids.

need star like Bolton & a couple of depth players

More than likely Bolton costs us 2 first round picks, and we only have one left.



Just because you hit the draft, does not mean you need to get 18 year olds.

I would back us to find a better player in a 2nd tier comp, than Martin and Garcia are. As I said above, you have a choice to make with your last few picks. You can either go Martin, Garcia, Richards (mature age at an AFL club), a mature agers in a 2nd tier comp, or an 18 year old.

But when we talk about list spot squeeze, this is what we are talking about.

 

[Taylor]

How do you feel about trading:

Pick #9 and #15 to Richmond for Bolton and #29
Pick #10 and #29 to Geelong for #19 and F1

 

[Hamann188]

How do you feel about trading:

Pick #9 and #15 to Richmond for Bolton and #29
Pick #10 and #29 to Geelong for #19 and F1

As long as Kozzie and/or The Chad are off the table definitely, I think I'd be ok with it.

Feels like we are insulating ourselves from a climb up the ladder next year.

 

[go_the_dockers]

How do you feel about trading:

Pick #9 and #15 to Richmond for Bolton and #29
Pick #10 and #29 to Geelong for #19 and F1

I think you are better off taking 10, 25 and 29 in the draft.
I think trading out of two drafts in a row, is not a smart move.

Who plays as small forward for us next year? We need to make finals next year.

Add that Geelong get Smith, and more than likely finish top 4 again, and it makes it look worse.

 

[Taylor]

I think you are better off taking 10, 25 and 29 in the draft.
I think trading out of two drafts in a row, is not a smart move.

Who plays as small forward for us next year? We need to make finals next year.

Add that Geelong get Smith, and more than likely finish top 4 again, and it makes it look worse.

We would still be taking a first round pick to the draft, and I don't think there's any crystal ball for what happens in future seasons. Would a small forward you like make it to the end of the first round?

 

[Swiggy]

Garcia look like exactly what we need. His VFL stats are insane and his got some terrific speed. We can create 2 extra list spots if we delist Keuk and Stanley as we played with the maximum rookie spots in 2024. I think if we can get a pick back in the Bolton trade around pick 40 we should use that to get Garcia. We obviously need more quick and skillful players. Garcia shapes as a hidden gem whojust need more opportunity to thrive and he can play half back, half forward and onball,.

Agree when he has played for dogs he has done well. I think he’d be handy get for list.

 

[dont bowl there]

Agree when he has played for dogs he has done well. I think he’d be handy get for list.

I'm not sure where he fits tbh, probably too small to be an inside mid which is where he's been playing his best footy in the VFL and don't think he has enough goal sense to be forward. Haven't seen any of his half back work which could be interesting.

 

[Swiggy]

More than likely Bolton costs us 2 first round picks, and we only have one left.



Just because you hit the draft, does not mean you need to get 18 year olds.

I would back us to find a better player in a 2nd tier comp, than Martin and Garcia are. As I said above, you have a choice to make with your last few picks. You can either go Martin, Garcia, Richards (mature age at an AFL club), a mature agers in a 2nd tier comp, or an 18 year old.

But when we talk about list spot squeeze, this is what we are talking about.

Garcia is a good player at level. Dogs team hard to get into & who knows what bevo is thinking.
A fit Martin is a good cheap get.

But that’s a big IF

 

[go_the_dockers]

We would still be taking a first round pick to the draft, and I don't think there's any crystal ball for what happens in future seasons. Would a small forward you like make it to the end of the first round?

I don't think Berry makes it that far. (More than likely 13 to 18 range)

It is more the issue of pushing the picks to next year, when I think we need to improve next year. Plus it being a strong draft his year.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Garcia is a good player at level. Dogs team hard to get into & who knows what bevo is thinking.
A fit Martin is a good cheap get.

But that’s a big IF

A lot of VFL players look good, and then can't take the step up.
Especially small 2nd tier players.

I have two big issues with Martin, 1 being injuries which are getting worse every year.
2 being forward pressure. If we play 3 talls, plus Sturt which is likely, our small need to bring a lot of forward pressure.
If you add Bolton, and a half competent small forward and I don't think Martin is best 22. I would prefer to use the list space on a 2nd tier play.

I'm not sure where he fits tbh, probably too small to be an inside mid which is where he's been playing his best footy in the VFL and don't think he has enough goal sense to be forward. Haven't seen any of his half back work which could be interesting.

Agree with this.

 

[Taylor]

I don't think Berry makes it that far. (More than likely 13 to 18 range)

It is more the issue of pushing the picks to next year, when I think we need to improve next year. Plus it being a strong draft his year.

The picks next year would facilitate buying Chad Warner

 

[theGav56]

NOds spent a lot of time injured & the clubs been very patient in working with him in rehab. He’s been paid without playing a heap of footy.
You’d like to think that if we’re offering a reasonable contract & he’s not being offered some ridiculous amount & length he will repay it back by staying.
If he’s using each game with Peel to prove his worth, then good on him & I hope he tears it up to get what he deserves.

Don't agree with the premise that anyone who has work related injuries owes anything at all

 

[go_the_dockers]

The picks next year would facilitate buying Chad Warner

Can you get that done for 2025 and 2026 1sts?

If we don't fire next year, JL is gone. Who knows who else.