List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Cobbler]

He is talented and worth more than that would be my reason.

He looks a step above WAFL level IMO, this is coming from someone who was absolutely gobsmacked with his 2022, before that and in 2023 he genuinely looked average at WAFL level, something has clicked with him (maybe AOD losing his chance has changed him?)

He genuinely looks good at WAFL level now and we have seen he can have impact at AFL level, 2 years is a no brainer now

So, by your own account, he looked average in 2023. It required ‘something to click’ and now he deserves 2 years?

I’m not saying he won’t be offered 2 years but he’s yet to prove anything and if it takes his brother losing his chance to make him ‘click’ is he actually invested?

If these guys aren’t balls to the wall in their drive in the first place then what are we doing?

 

[David Bubb]

We can't be blaming JOM for NOD leaving if we are all convinced that we're bringing in a Martin/Garcia type (if not both). I'm thinking it's unlikely we bring in one of those two if it means losing NOD. Not saying NOD will stay, but certainly don't think it's JOM's fault.

 

[freo_leo29]

So, by your own account, he looked average in 2023. It required ‘something to click’ and now he deserves 2 years?

I’m not saying he won’t be offered 2 years but he’s yet to prove anything and if it takes his brother losing his chance to make him ‘click’ is he actually invested?

If these guys aren’t balls to the wall in their drive in the first place then what are we doing?

Some people take longer to get there

I reckon he is there now


Is it your opinion that we should throw out someone when they've turned the corner? I'd be disappointed to lose him now

 

[ilikepotatoes]

I also wonder if how we managed NODs knee may have pissed him off.

The club made him play through his knee pain initially and he ended up needing like 4 operations on it.

 

[Swiggy]

the age is reporting Martin will request a trade by the end of the week. Sounds like freo will be club of choice

 

[freo_leo29]

the age is reporting Martin will request a trade by the end of the week. Sounds like freo will be club of choice

surely its for a 5th rounder or something, Carlton don't even want him

Would have preferred to list him as an SSP

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

the age is reporting Martin will request a trade by the end of the week. Sounds like freo will be club of choice

No deal.

 

[Joao]

We can't be blaming JOM for NOD leaving if we are all convinced that we're bringing in a Martin/Garcia type (if not both). I'm thinking it's unlikely we bring in one of those two if it means losing NOD. Not saying NOD will stay, but certainly don't think it's JOM's fault.

I don't think anyone is convinced Garcia is coming. That's just a WA player OOC.

Martin isn't competing with NoD or JoM for a spot. They do compete with each other for the wing.

the age is reporting Martin will request a trade by the end of the week. Sounds like freo will be club of choice

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

surely its for a 5th rounder or something, Carlton don't even want him

Would have preferred to list him as an SSP

Saints 4th rounder downgrade for Carltons 4th rounder would be the most we should offer.

 

[Cobbler]

Some people take longer to get there

I reckon he is there now


Is it your opinion that we should throw out someone when they've turned the corner? I'd be disappointed to lose him now

I very much want to keep him. His end of season showed enough to warrant an offer.

I’m just saying if someone has come along and offered 3 years? Well, bye.

It would be annoying, but there needs to be a level of mutual respect. If we upped our offer as Taylor has suggested he should grab that with both hands and back himself in.

10 weeks ago he’d have been lucky to been offered a 1 year extension.

 

[fnerd]

Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

ffs

So let me get this straight , the club is hesitant to offer more than a base deal for died in the wool freo player with big upside (already shown too) in Nod due to his injury concerns but are quite happy to throw ****en mercenary Martin a deal coz , like he’s more likely to be fit and available and add “something” I assume?

FMD this club

 

[Joao]

InB4 we get Martin 100% fit and he makes the AA.

I would have been so excited by this 5 years ago.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Saints 4th rounder downgrade for Carltons 4th rounder would be the most we should offer.

A 28th round pick is still overs.

Waste of list space

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Jack Martin ffs

So let me get this straight , the club is hesitant to offer more than a base deal for died in the wool freo player with big upside (already shown too) in Nod due to his injury concerns but are quite happy to throw ****en mercenary Martin a deal coz , like he’s more likely to be fit and available and add “something” I assume?

FMD this club

Can we do a Jack Martin for Will Brodie trade with Brodie ending up at North or Richmond? I like Will but I cant see him getting a game for us bar an injury catastrophe.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Can we do a Jack Martin for Will Brodie trade with Brodie ending up at North or Richmond? I like Will but I cant see him getting a game for us bar an injury catastrophe.

I would do it because whatever he's on is too much. Makes Martin a net positive even in a straight swap because Brodie is a cap dump at this stage.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

InB4 we get Martin 100% fit and he makes the AA.

I would have been so excited by this 5 years ago.

I think he's worth a shot but if Im honest Martin getting back to his best is a very long shot.

 

[fnerd]

A 28th round pick is still overs.

Waste of list space

Yea I’m seeing no upside in this what so ever , at what point does “almost never fit and available “for basically his entire career and especially the last 3/4 years actually count for something ??

I mean he’s not even that talented a player ffs .
Basically carved an entire AFL career out based off his “potential “ snd the fact he went pk1 in mini draft

The blokes a charlatan

 

[freo1997]

Can’t Martin just enter Freo as a DFA?

 

[fnerd]

Can’t Martin just **** right off?

EFA

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Knowing how we are at the trade table it'll be NOD and the Saints 2nd for broken down 30 year old Martin, Straight into the leadership group.

 

[s_wd6]

Can’t Martin just enter Freo as a DFA?

Na cos he delisted himself

 

[Docker82]

Na cos he delisted himself

Technically previously delisted players are unrestricted free agents anyway. He’s not that because he didn’t spend long enough at either Gold Coast or Carlton and he was offered a contract by Gold Coast when he moved to Carlton via the PSD.

Only real difference between an unrestricted free agent and delisted free agent is one gets the team a compensation pick and the other doesn’t. Also delisted free agency runs later - not sure it’s ever happened but I believe you can even sign DFAs to the senior list between the National and Rookie Drafts.

Still don’t think they’d be any other outcome if we didn’t trade him than him joining us as a delisted free agent.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

So, by your own account, he looked average in 2023. It required ‘something to click’ and now he deserves 2 years?

I’m not saying he won’t be offered 2 years but he’s yet to prove anything and if it takes his brother losing his chance to make him ‘click’ is he actually invested?

If these guys aren’t balls to the wall in their drive in the first place then what are we doing?

Injuries are a factor here as well in all fairness. Sturt looked awful in the pre-season and in his first few WAFL games this season coz of that knee. And at some point the switch flipped. NOD's been battling his own health demons particularly with knee issues as well, and the switch flipped early July for him coming back from the last in a series of medium-term knee injuries.

Honestly in an ideal world I'd probably agree that, with a talent this temperamental, I'd rather do the 1 + 1 year type thing we did with Sturt in 2022 (though I think NOD has shown more now than Sturt did then). But it's not the hill you die on if it means losing a player who could be a fairly important piece in the team for years to come.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Any trade is basically a token trade to help him move without fuss. There'll be literally no value assigned

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

He is talented and worth more than that would be my reason.

He looks a step above WAFL level IMO, this is coming from someone who was absolutely gobsmacked with his 2022, before that and in 2023 he genuinely looked average at WAFL level, something has clicked with him (maybe AOD losing his chance has changed him?)

He genuinely looks good at WAFL level now and we have seen he can have impact at AFL level, 2 years is a no brainer now

I only watched about half of his games at Peel so I could be wrong but I thought after he came back from his injury his disposal had improved a ton in terms of his long kicking and good hands in close in both his Peel games and his 5 quarters of afl football.