List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Joao]

Yep, so with no idea what the Freo TPP situation is like (but I assume reasonably tight due to some big contracts?) I would be offering to pay significant wages to Bolton if I was Richmond as 'something back' coming your way.

If he's on $1mil/year, what if RFC paid half?

Players aren't priceless, but flags are. Freo was top 8 and pushing top 4 most of the year before unfortunately falling away. What if a player like Bolton is the spark they need?

We brought in Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis in 2016 (and removed Deledio) and from a playing list perspective it made all the difference*.



*along with coaching personnel + philosophy changes, support staff etc.

I have no idea either.

We don't win the flag this year with Bolton. Our biggest problem was a lack of pressure and tactics/composure in 4th quarters.

If Bolton was the equivalent of Messi or Jordan, sure, pay whatever. But getting him wouldn't even make us top 4 favourite next year (at a guess) and rightly so. The trade price should reflect that.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Yep, so with no idea what the Freo TPP situation is like (but I assume reasonably tight due to some big contracts?) I would be offering to pay significant wages to Bolton if I was Richmond as 'something back' coming your way.

If he's on $1mil/year, what if RFC paid half?

Players aren't priceless, but flags are. Freo was top 8 and pushing top 4 most of the year before unfortunately falling away. What if a player like Bolton is the spark they need?

We brought in Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis in 2016 (and removed Deledio) and from a playing list perspective it made all the difference*.



*along with coaching personnel + philosophy changes, support staff etc.

If you guarantee a flag, then it is a deal

 

[DQ 4EVER]

Forgot to add Warners parents own a business called Travs Trees. Didn’t realise tree lopping was a big business in Melbourne. Clearly I’m in the wrong industry.

so all in WA get behind that business & mention they are Freo fans

 

[Andyy]

If you guarantee a flag, then it is a deal

Haha if Freo got both Bolton + Baker and they won another flag together that would make me happy.

 

[Taylor]

If we're not getting him this year the best strategy would be goto the draft. We can use next years and 2026 picks if he is available in 2025.

I think it depends what pick we are talking about and to whom.

Pick #10 to North for their F1 is better for us than using pick #10. I think it opens up Chad Warner for 2024 draft period.

 

[Polo342]

If Richmond players thought Bolton was off doing his own thing this year, then does that decrease his trade value??

 

[DQ 4EVER]

I have no idea either.

We don't win the flag this year with Bolton. Our biggest problem was a lack of pressure and tactics/composure in 4th quarters.

If Bolton was the equivalent of Messi or Jordan, sure, pay whatever. But getting him wouldn't even make us top 4 favourite next year (at a guess) and rightly so. The trade price should reflect that.

Messi & Jordan are arguably the best ever in their sports. so you'd want Bolton to be Stephen Michael level by that metric.

 

[Taylor]

If Richmond players thought Bolton was off doing his own thing this year, then does that decrease his trade value??

I said back at the start of this that the only way they'd even consider trading him is with significant family reasons or a falling out with the coaching. Each carries it's own risk for us.

 

[Polo342]

I said back at the start of this that the only way they'd even consider trading him is with significant family reasons or a falling out with the coaching. Each carries it's own risk for us.

Absolutely it does! The risk is all on the buyer really as well!

 

[Alfonz]

I'm big on Bolton, but if the price was 9+10 with nothing back, we should take our chances in the draft.

Bolton potentially filling a big list hole doesn't somehow make him priceless.

But it wouldn't be nothing back. It will be a large chunk of salary. We can't afford him otherwise.

The trade can be thought of as pick 9 for Bolton (which is unders for a contracted superstar player), then buying $1.5 - $2 million of salary cap relief (spread over 4 years) with pick 10.

 

[Taylor]

But it wouldn't be nothing back. It will be a large chunk of salary. We can't afford him otherwise.

The trade can be thought of as pick 9 for Bolton (which is unders for a contracted superstar player), then buying $1.5 - $2 million of salary cap relief (spread over 4 years) with pick 10.

I prefer they pay it up front in one big hit, then we sign Bolton to a longer term deal with that $1.5 to $2m up front and then pay him the other half of his deal over six years. Bolton for nearly free.

Big risk for us would be him requesting a trade elsewhere after front loaded contract year is paid.

 

[Joao]

But it wouldn't be nothing back. It will be a large chunk of salary. We can't afford him otherwise.

The trade can be thought of as pick 9 for Bolton (which is unders for a contracted superstar player), then buying $1.5 - $2 million of salary cap relief (spread over 4 years) with pick 10.

I am happy to get salary IF it means we can get another elite player. Otherwise, I'd rather use the pick.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Forgot to add Warners parents own a business called Travs Trees. Didn’t realise tree lopping was a big business in Melbourne. Clearly I’m in the wrong industry.

Ok. Ive got more info I'll keep to myself. Really not phased as I actually want the person Im referencing to be wrong.

By the way Travs Trees is based in Melbourne.

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[mattis117]

is he worth both 9 and 10 even considering he is contracted? Ollie Hannaford or berry may have a first year impact like Nick Watson for Hawks Or Rachelle for Crows ?

You misread the article. It says Freo have 9 and 10, not that that's what it would cost.

 

[mattis117]

Quality?
Still had Cameron who was atrocious.
Neale never got into the game.
Brisbane don’t have quality talls either.
Hipwood is absolutely fraud. He’s only tall and that’s why he gets a game.
Daniher is consistent but may be forced to ruck next week

Lol what? Having an issue with English? My post says lack of talls, meaning they didn't have any good ones.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

The only way Warner is traded is if Sydney win the flag, and Sydney look to trade him early so they can get the best return.

Melbourne can't trade Kozzie this year. They think they are a shot for a flag. He's their best player under 25. They might as well blow it up if he goes.

 

[theGav56]

Personally I think he is.


Yes I'm a Richmond fan, but I'm not under any illusions.

For example, I'm just glad that Graham is leaving (respectfully to him) and I'd give him away for nothing - the fact that we'll get FA compo is laugable.

Bolton could do with some more discipline at times. He gives away silly frees and 50's which are coach killers. In particular I think he struggles mentally playing in a wooden spoon side. He's not a leader, he's the cream on top. Freo has leaders and a strong core - Bolton could really thrive there.

And on his day he's an absolute jet, a game changer. A bloke who can play midfield, break away from packs, go forward to kick 30-40+ goals/year, take mark of the year or kick goal of the year.

With 9+10 slated to slip at least 2 spots, and the current list/finals push for Freo, would you rather take P10 (12?) to the draft and hope you have a good player in 2-5 years?

Picks sliding has zero impact on what players are available. It is of minor relevance. Pick 9 has a crack at the 9th best available player in the draft.

Trade history tells you Bolton is not worth 9+10.

 

[Superkoops]

Quote from an Article on SEN:
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is very real. I can tell you this morning that Jack Martin

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’s interest in Geelong is very real.

He’s a delisted free agent so he can just get there if he wants to. He doesn’t want to leave Victoria.”

 

[freoforever94]

Quote from an Article on SEN:
“Their (Geelong’s) interest in Jack Martin is very real. I can tell you this morning that Jack Martin’s interest in Geelong is very real.

He’s a delisted free agent so he can just get there if he wants to. He doesn’t want to leave Victoria.”

Doesn't want to leave Victoria but does a medical with a non-victoria team

 

[Superkoops]

Picks sliding has zero impact on what players are available. It is of minor relevance. Pick 9 has a crack at the 9th best available player in the draft.

Trade history tells you Bolton is not worth 9+10.

I keep referring to the Neale trade.

1. 6, 19, 55 > Neale, 30
2. 15 + F1 (Pick 7) + F2 (Pick 34) > Jackson + 42 + 57

A top 10 pick and a late first round pick and something decent coming back is more than fair.

9, 16 > Bolton, 39

 

[Polo342]

I keep referring to the Neale trade.

1. 6, 19, 55 > Neale, 30
2. 15 + F1 (Pick 7) + F2 (Pick 34) > Jackson + 42 + 57

A top 10 pick and a late first round pick and something decent coming back is more than fair.

9, 16 > Bolton, 39

Id be aiming to try get that 21 back somehow. Start of second round could be gold this year

 

[s_wd6]

Doesn't want to leave Victoria but does a medical with a non-victoria team

Yeah lol first is was he wants to go back to WA, then it was wants to go back to QLD, and now it’s wants to stay in VIC.

 

[Superkoops]

Doesn't want to leave Victoria but does a medical with a non-victoria team

That was before the interest from Geelong. As someone posted we had an interest before it was cool.

Anyway I couldn’t care less and thought it was a bad move. We don’t need to add 30 year old injury prone players to our list. We were likely throwing him a bone as an SSP rookie.

Geelong looking at DFA (ie primary list spot) to keep their quota of double digit 30year old players in tact.

 

[Superkoops]

Id be aiming to try get that 21 back somehow. Start of second round could be gold this year

I’ve been called optimistic and that is definitely optimistic. Pick 29 is more realistic but I feel Richmond will go hard for top 30 picks and everything else is on the table. They prob won’t even use some of the later picks so we could get 41 as well for example.

 

[JammoMonty]

The only way Warner is traded is if Sydney win the flag, and Sydney look to trade him early so they can get the best return.

Melbourne can't trade Kozzie this year. They think they are a shot for a flag. He's their best player under 25. They might as well blow it up if he goes.

Warner aside I can’t see Brisbane winning on Saturday. Think it will be a blowout