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What are you trying to achieve here matey? Take this convo to the drafts & free agency board
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What are you trying to achieve here matey? Take this convo to the drafts & free agency board
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Not convinced, we are lamenting our entire spine of Treacy, Darcy and Pearce missing being the reason we haven’t won the last 2-3 weeks, not a single 1st rounder there. Yet Brodie and Ras are both 1st rounders who can’t get a game.
We are currently chasing Warner and Bolton, both genuine A graders neither were taken in the 1st round, picking kids and projecting where the end up us still an inaccurate science.
GC aint giving up 5
That pick is before a Lombard bid, it would be crazy to give that one up
The reason they can part with other firsts is because Lombard will eat up any pick from 10 onwards anyway, just swap firsts for points
11 and 20 are definitely in play for Rioli but thats only because of GC list position and concessions, they gave away 7 just to get Bowes salary off their list
I'd say it goes something like 11 and 20 for Rioli, enough points this year for Lombard and a F2/F3 (depending on points received this year)
So on face value it looks like a lot for Rioli but the points help GC and they continue to shift value into future years like they always do.
I'd be absolutely stunned if 5 is in the deal, it could only be if Lombard somehow rockets up the board late
It's now or never for Bolton mate
Do we delay the rebuild to haggle over some picks or just get it done? remember this pick 9 came from Schultz AND we already have a good young talent in Coops to show for it.
The longer we push the rebuild back, the more players get unsettled
Every single of those except Treacy is at least a second rounder.
Outside of Treacy our only above average players selected after the second round since covid are NGA boys yet some on here are acting like Walls drafts better players at pick 60 than pick 8.
Only rumours i see about Fyfe retiring are people on socials say "I think he could retire" If our 2nd best player of all time was retiring his send of tour would've been announced by now
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Have a funny feeling we'll tell them to get ****ed.Have a funny feeling Richmond ask the question about Darcy for the Bolton trade
Actually you put it that way, am all for it. The Schulz pick for Bolton plus a future first. That’s reasonable .
Massive win win from Schulz being pick 50.
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It might help if you could you make this a question with multiple choice options as answers and we can all have a go at it.
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Wash your mouth out with soap
He hasn’t signed.
He’s Victorian.
Coaches take ages to select him.
He hasn’t played enough games for the club to recognise his ability and potential.
Bolton is a medium forward. Direct replacement more or less if the club sees it that way
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We have stuck by him with his injurys..
Bolton will be replacing Walters
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Not at all, To some extent, Very much so, Don't know
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Your initial post specifically said first round picks. So not sure what your point is above, not all our “guns” are first round picks.
Lions gave up pick 12 for Charlie Cameron, who wanted to move for family reasons.
He was also contracted.
Where you sell the farm for is for a player like Jeremy Cameron, but two thirds
of that deal was the picks that they received for Tim Kelly from the eagles.
So Geelong lost their 4th best mid to get the best forward in the AFL.
He was also contracted.
Where you sell the farm for is for a player like Jeremy Cameron, but two thirds
of that deal was the picks that they received for Tim Kelly from the eagles.
So Geelong lost their 4th best mid to get the best forward in the AFL.
They've ramped it up again. It's now:
5, 12, 20 for Rioli
Going to be some devastated Tigers fans come October. Should go over to their board and encourage them.
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I see this trade being closer to Kelly trade than either Cameron.
The issue is he is not a top 20 player in the comp. I am not sure he is in the top 40 best players either. I see him more as somewhere between 60 and 80th best player in the comp. (The same as Kelly and Gibbs were not top 40 players in the comp)
He has made one all Australian, has made the all Australian squad a couple times, and is good for 30 goals a year. He is currently 25th of the goal kick ladder, having played pretty much all games.
I still think he plays his best football up the ground (50% forward pocket, 25% midfield, 25% wing or high half forward) so does not really solve our forward pocket issue that well.
Then you add he averages 4 clangers a game, kicks as many points as goals, is contracted for 4 years, and this is so high risk. Just because he has won a few flags, does not make him a great players. including than one bag of 3 goals in finals (against St Kilda in an semi final) he only has kicked 4 goals 4 in 7 games leading to his two grand finals. Hardly the difference maker.
He is not the player you give up two first round picks for. If you believe he is, can you provide me some stats to show he is worth the cost both in salary cap and draft picks?
33 goals is just not enough.
I really hope we are not too desperate (I see too many supporters are becoming inpatient), and we end up massively overpaying e.g. Weller for pick 2, Kelly for 14, 24, 37 and future first round pick.
The Jeremy Cameron trade was
No.13, 15 and 20
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Cameron, giants second-round selection and a future second-round selection tied to Essendon (end up being 24 and 27).
and Jeremy Cameron is clearly in the top 10 players in the comp when fit.
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They would have said the same about us, when we said we would get pick 2 for Weller.
The issue GC and us will have is, if Richmond start at such an outlandish starting point, if you meet them in the middle you are still paying way way overs.
Freo got r1 &2 for shulz,,,lol that’s right . Has he ever finished top 5 in bf . Shai never been out of it , also AA and dual premiership star . You guys will likely miss finals if you think a draft pic will help build that bridge you’re kidding , shai Bolton would make a significant diff . Bolton can play midfield and forward line shulz and Cameron can’t will kick over 30 this year and hasn’t had that great a year
OOC he's worth pick 9-12 on its own. The 4 years means we basically have to pay as if we're getting the best possible version of him (2022 or better).
The reality is, we have no small on our list capable of getting 80 shots on goal (ignoring OOB) or even the 60 he's had this year. Our smalls this year:
Switta - 20
Freddy - 39
Banners - 33
Emmett - 11 (13)
Sonny - 29 (16)
He's having a mediocre year and he's still kicked more goals than all but one of our small forwards have had shots for the year and he's doing it in the spoon team.
He's also and excellent centre bounce player and a genuine point of difference in midfield with the speed/agility combo.
And to add to that he is literally the only gettable option for us in this calibre of player.
That's why we'd take the risk (and it is a risk) on him with 2 firsts.
The VERY big difference there was that was GC, who literally could not attract anyone but mostly the fact that Lachie was an absolute legend, went on trade radio and said that the GC had told him they'll get it done no matter what.
So as long as we haven't said anything stupid like that to Shai, I think we're ok.
If GC are stupid enough to do it, I will just laugh rather than get worried about it.
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