List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Superkoops]

It is going to be hideously bad.
10 and 18 is already bad and people are hoping we get something back with that?

If we do, it will be one of their throwaway 3rd rounders.

I don’t think it is all that bad. The clubs know these picks drop and that is taken into account. The Melbourne trade for Jackson is proof of that. If we don’t have pick 11 it wouldn’t even be a discussion but of course Richmond will ask for it. Then like Geelong and that pick 19/20 will keep asking for it.

Picks 10 and 18 will likely end up being 12 and 21 (or even 22). Regardless of whether that is two first round picks that second pick you are getting the 21st or 22nd best player in the draft.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Name a small forward on our list that is better? Oh right we don't have any esp. crumbing types.

Walters? Cooked.
Emmett? Probably delisted.
Delean? Not likely.
Simpson? Not ready and not a crumbing small.

And why would you expect McHenry to be a midfielder, what a dumb move by the Crows. He's 179cm tall and not Lachie Neale.

I'm not enamoured by him by all means but like other clubs do they pick up players that have been discarded by other teams and they sometimes work out. It's not like he was a 4th round pick or anything.

Everyone gets so jumpy in here over a suggestion about a gaping hole on our list.

We need quality not table scraps.

 

[ubiquitous226]

I think it’s the optics of essentially trading Barrass for Baker.

The bit I'm surprised isn't compared more is Baker and Smith - surely there is a big gap between them, and there likely will be, but all the narrative at the moment is crazy

 

[wakojako]

Melbourne's B&F was last night, so all those alleged rumours about Kozzie should be coming to fruition soon right...

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

I think there's nuance in the whole "picks move back thing". It does need to be taken into consideration when trading, it dictates the strength of the draft but bids on the night are meaningless. But yeah, anyone taking even a quick glance at draft boards should know 10/11 won't have any meaningful bid impact this year. Still same tier of available players.

Yep. The F/S and academy players were never really available anyway. It's just this stupid FA compensation that fcks it up.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Name a small forward on our list that is better? Oh right we don't have any esp. crumbing types.

Walters? Cooked.
Emmett? Probably delisted.
Delean? Not likely.
Simpson? Not ready and not a crumbing small.

And why would you expect McHenry to be a midfielder, what a dumb move by the Crows. He's 179cm tall and not Lachie Neale.

I'm not enamoured by him by all means but like other clubs do they pick up players that have been discarded by other teams and they sometimes work out. It's not like he was a 4th round pick or anything.

Everyone gets so jumpy in here over a suggestion about a gaping hole on our list.

Just looking into it a bit more, I will say judging by his 2021-2022 play and assuming that's still about his level, that player is worth either an SSP spot or the type of player that gets delisted where you go "let him play state league for 6 months and re-evaluate". Decent defensive fwd, good in the contest and at ground level, seems to lack X-Factor. Basically if you could combine Ned McHenry's strengths with Freddy's, you'd have like the best small/medium fwd in the league.

The problem is McHenry is the dollar store version of Neal Bullen, who in turn is like the Aldi version of Switkowski. We've got a much better version of that player. To me, anyone else we add to the fwd line has to pass the X-Factor test, and McHenry seems like 4 red buzzers on that front. Plus we're tight for list spots.

 

[Docker82]

The bit I'm surprised isn't compared more is Baker and Smith - surely there is a big gap between them, and there likely will be, but all the narrative at the moment is crazy

Baker is a slightly better footballer than Smith IMO and haven’t just done an ACL so if they both go for first rounders it’s probably about right tbh.

 

[Nodgey]

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The general public are so dumb when it comes to these things tbh. Bet we’ll hear about Ashcroft, Lombard and others potentially effecting those picks as well like clubs haven’t known for [emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]][emoji[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji[emoji6]][emoji[emoji6]]]]+ months plus that was going to happen and also that if they always had close to zero chances of getting these players unless the AFL changed their rules overnight.

I think people are well aware that academy and F/S will always move picks back. It’s the ridiculous band comp the AFL dish out willy nilly that pisses people off.

Mod edit: formatting error

 

[freocuz]

Melbourne's B&F was last night, so all those alleged rumours about Kozzie should be coming to fruition soon right...

I’m ready, let’s play!!!

Assuming we get both Pickett and Bolton, does Walters retire?



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[mattis117]

Geee...Some of You on here rating Bolton like He is Neale or Petraca type of player who will put the team on their shoulders and carry them to victory...Guess what...He is not...He is more of flashy downhill skier who disappears for long periods of time and doesn't deliver on regular basis...Don't take me wrong I do like him but some of You are overrating him big time.

He literally put us to the sword two years in row at home. The first one he got his side over the line

 

[DragoDelph]

Nodgey fixed the formatting error.
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[Nodgey]

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Yeah it’s gone crazy! Using Tapatalk on a pretty old iPhone.

 

[Taylor]

Very hot, sip it slowly.

 

[dean33]

Those sorts of blackmail demands don’t happen and if it did what comes around goes around. Brisbane will refuse to deal with Richmond in the future.

Are Richmond really likely to get all petty about pick 20 which will push out to 23 or so on draft night.

We obviously want to use our later picks to trade into the first rd. Preference would be with suns pick 12 but lions will be easier to gain. You don’t think telling brisbane we’ll save them 500pts by not bidding with pick 1 won’t happen? Not really blackmail but 2 clubs working together for a desired mutual outcome.

 

[Taylor]

We obviously want to use our later picks to trade into the first rd. Preference would be with suns pick 12 but lions will be easier to gain. You don’t think telling brisbane we’ll save them 500pts by not bidding with pick 1 won’t happen? Not really blackmail but 2 clubs working together for a desired mutual outcome.

Richmond and Brisbane won't mention it between each other directly for risk of the AFL punishing both clubs for manipulating the integrity of the draft (and I say that with full knowledge of how silly it sounds that the AFL will care when Richmond/Brisbane do it but not at all after they've packed the first round with new picks).

 

[Superkoops]

We obviously want to use our later picks to trade into the first rd. Preference would be with suns pick 12 but lions will be easier to gain. You don’t think telling brisbane we’ll save them 500pts by not bidding with pick 1 won’t happen? Not really blackmail but 2 clubs working together for a desired mutual outcome.

How is telling someone if you don’t do this trade we’ll bid on Ashcroft at pick 1 not blackmail and instead working together. Sounds to me like Richmond getting an advantage. Similar to threatening to pick up someone in PSD. That ended up working well for Carlton with Jack Martin. The relationship (between Carlton and GCS) after that situation has not been the same.

 

[DragoDelph]

Yeah it’s gone crazy! Using Tapatalk on a pretty old iPhone.

Chief

FYI another tapatalk issue.

 

[Cobbler]

We really talkin bout blackmail?

Blackmail?

We out ere talkin bout blackmail?

 

[CapitalA]

I don’t think it is all that bad. The clubs know these picks drop and that is taken into account. The Melbourne trade for Jackson is proof of that. If we don’t have pick 11 it wouldn’t even be a discussion but of course Richmond will ask for it. Then like Geelong and that pick 19/20 will keep asking for it.

Picks 10 and 18 will likely end up being 12 and 21 (or even 22). Regardless of whether that is two first round picks that second pick you are getting the 21st or 22nd best player in the draft.

The 9nly picks that really impact it is the free agency compo picks. They were never going to have access to any of the NGA matches that come before. So in reality it is only moving back 1 or 2 spots from the compo picks relative to who they actually could have picked.

 

[Wee Jessies]

We really talkin bout blackmail?

Blackmail?

We out ere talkin bout blackmail?

Blackmail is not a game

 

[Superkoops]

We really talkin bout blackmail?

Blackmail?

We out ere talkin bout blackmail?

Yes I was. Not sure if that was the best word but Richmond forcing the hand of Brisbane with a threat to bid on Ashcroft. My point was more about clubs maintaining a decent relationship is important unlike ole mate Silvani at Carlton who went kicking the can down road and p**sing off everyone on the way out.